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Thursday, January 10, 2019

Mets land Jed Lowrie with 2-year deal

The Mets are surely spending some cash.

The Mets’ aggressive approach to the Hot Stove season continued on Thursday, as MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand confirmed ESPN’s Jeff Passan’s original report that New York has signed free agent Jed Lowrie to a two-year deal worth $20 million. The club has not confirmed the deal.

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   1. Yonder Alonso in misguided trousers (cardinal) Posted: January 10, 2019 at 07:26 PM (#5804356)
This is one of those deals that needs another deal to happen for it to make a lick of sense.
   2. Davo cant be eatin thirty hot dogs every day Posted: January 10, 2019 at 07:41 PM (#5804362)
Their current infield options:

Robinson Cano, Jed Lowrie, Todd Frazier, Jeff McNeil, JD Davis, Amed Rosario, Peter Alonso, Dominic Smith, Dilson Herrera.

I imagine the last three go to AAA, Cano is the everyday guy, and you mix and match the other 5.

Depth is a good thing.
   3. formerly dp Posted: January 10, 2019 at 07:49 PM (#5804364)
Wtf are they doing? This is money better spent on Pollock...
   4. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 10, 2019 at 07:53 PM (#5804365)
If they can dump Frazier's salary, this makes sense.
   5. Davo cant be eatin thirty hot dogs every day Posted: January 10, 2019 at 07:58 PM (#5804367)
Would each side begrudgingly accept a Todd Frazier for Sonny Gray swap?
   6. formerly dp Posted: January 10, 2019 at 08:02 PM (#5804370)
I was mildly shocked to learn that Lowrie is only 34, one of those feels like he's been around forever guys.
   7. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 10, 2019 at 08:09 PM (#5804372)
Would each side begrudgingly accept a Todd Frazier for Sonny Gray swap?

I was just thinking Frazier made sense for the Yankees. Put Andujar at 1B, Frazier at 3B, and you massively improve the D.

I think the Mets need to add something to that trade though.
   8. PreservedFish Posted: January 10, 2019 at 08:52 PM (#5804384)
Great deal, doesn't really make sense for the team, but, whatevs.
   9. formerly dp Posted: January 10, 2019 at 09:07 PM (#5804388)
Jeff McNeil must've run over Brodie's dog.
   10. JJ1986 Posted: January 10, 2019 at 09:08 PM (#5804389)
Dilson Herrera is like a platoon AAA player at this point.
   11. PreservedFish Posted: January 10, 2019 at 09:17 PM (#5804392)
So is Dom Smith.

JD Davis may be a thing, but he may be a AAAA type.

The real question, still totally unknown, is who plays 1B?
   12. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: January 10, 2019 at 10:18 PM (#5804402)
I'm as confused as everyone else, but it looks good in a vacuum.

I want to say that this team should at least have an extremely strong bench, but I know we're still somehow going to have Cecchini and Guillorme starting games by June.
   13. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 10, 2019 at 10:56 PM (#5804404)
I want to say that this team should at least have an extremely strong bench, but I know we're still somehow going to have Cecchini and Guillorme starting games by June.

Yeah, the Mets have a casualty rate like the Red Army in 1941-45.
   14. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 10, 2019 at 11:08 PM (#5804405)
Great deal, doesn't really make sense for the team, but, whatevs.

MLB is becoming much more like fantasy baseball. Just acquire a bunch of cheaply priced assets and figure it out later.
   15. Howie Menckel Posted: January 10, 2019 at 11:16 PM (#5804406)
a lot of these guys played OF, too, last year, but just INF MLB starts in 2018:

1B - DSmith 22, Bruce 20, Cano 10, JDavis 8 (Alonso 0)
2B - Lowrie 133, Cano 65, McNeil 52
3B - Frazier 108, Lowrie 14, JDavis 14, DHerrera 2, McNeil 1
SS - Rosario 141

career MLB starts, whole 40-man roster
1B - Frazier 82, DSmith 66, Bruce 33, TJRivera 17, Cano 10, JDavis 7 (Alonso 0)
2B - Cano 1991, Lowrie 394, McNeil 52, DHerrera 52, TJRivera 26, Cecchini 18, Guillorme 3
3B - Frazier 888, Lowrie 111, TJRivera 30, JDavis 20, Guillorme 8, Cano 2, DHerrera 2, McNeil 1
SS - Lowrie 480, Rosario 184

(Rivera has hit .304 in 344 MLB PA)
   16. Howie Menckel Posted: January 10, 2019 at 11:34 PM (#5804411)
[forgot the Mets traded Bruce; delete him above]

01.10: Mike Puma of the New York Post reports that the Mets plan on playing Jeff McNeil more in the outfield after signing Jed Lowrie.

OF MLB starts in 2018:
LF - Conforto 74, Cespedes 35, Nimmo 26, DSmith 10, JDavis 3 (McNeil 0)
CF - Conforto 56, Nimmo 41, Lagares 13, Broxton 12
RF - Nimmo 48, Conforto 10, Broxton 6

career MLB starts, whole 40-man roster
LF - Cespedes 552, Conforto 233, Nimmo 66, DSmith 10, JDavis 3 (McNeil 0)
CF - Lagares 399, Broxton 183, Cespedes 165, Conforto 100, Nimmo 49
RF - Nimmo 58, Conforto 23, Lagares 11, Broxton 6

(Cespedes will miss the first half or so of 2018 with bad wheels)
   17. formerly dp Posted: January 10, 2019 at 11:52 PM (#5804415)
This is what I don't get: overloading on pricey veteran infielders in such a way that it forces the one good/cheap cost-controlled infielder your farm has coughed up in forever to the outfield. Cano and Rosario should be playing every day, with Cano getting frequent rest given his age. Alonso they'll play service time games with early on, but he should be given a shot at the regular gig. That basically leaves Lowrie, Davis, Frazier, and McNeil clawing for time at 3b and maybe LF. Weird.
   18. Howie Menckel Posted: January 11, 2019 at 12:00 AM (#5804418)
Conforto gets the starts in LF; not much help there, either.
   19. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 11, 2019 at 09:04 AM (#5804463)
This is what I don't get: overloading on pricey veteran infielders in such a way that it forces the one good/cheap cost-controlled infielder your farm has coughed up in forever to the outfield. Cano and Rosario should be playing every day, with Cano getting frequent rest given his age. Alonso they'll play service time games with early on, but he should be given a shot at the regular gig. That basically leaves Lowrie, Davis, Frazier, and McNeil clawing for time at 3b and maybe LF. Weird.

I would guess the Lowrie signing indicates a lack of confidence in Rosario.
   20. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: January 11, 2019 at 09:13 AM (#5804472)

Yes, agree with #17.

Is Alonso good enough to warrant playing service time games with? I can (sort of) understand doing it with Kris Bryant or someone like that, but playing games with someone like Alonso seems foolish when you're the Mets and every win is going to count if you actually have playoff ambitions in 2019.
   21. Adam Starblind Recommends SportSpyder.com Posted: January 11, 2019 at 09:14 AM (#5804473)
The real question, still totally unknown, is who plays 1B?


Why does nobody believe BVW when he says Alonso will be given the opportunity to win the job out of spring training or that, assuming that's hot air, he wouldn't be called up after the super 2 deadline? He's got little left to prove in the minors.
   22. Buck Coats Posted: January 11, 2019 at 10:58 AM (#5804582)
Do we know that though? He's played 67 games in AAA, in an extreme hitters environment. Is a 941 OPS in 67 games in Vegas proof that he's ready? I don't think it's crazy to give him a couple months to see if he can still hit in Syracuse.
   23. billyshears Posted: January 11, 2019 at 11:00 AM (#5804584)
I'm a little surprised by the ambivalence here. I have mixed feelings on BVW so far - I like his aggression and willingness to think big, but I think he has overpaid in most of his trades. Still, one of the the Mets' biggest weaknesses over the past couple of seasons has been their inability to field cromulent reserves and injury replacements. This was a team that started Adrian Gonzalez, Austin Jackson, Jose Reyes and Jose Bautista for long stretches last season, and sometimes all at once. Something named Jack Reinheimer even got 35 PAs last season. It seems that BVW recognizes this - maybe the fit for Lowrie isn't obvious, but with the signing of Lowrie and the acquisitions of Keon Broxton and JD Davis, it seems unlikely that the Mets will be in a position where they are starting sub-replacement level players for long stretches next season. That has real value. Seriously - the players listed above had almost 1000 PAs last season and produced negative WAR. The Mets won't be in that position again, and those extra 3-4 wins could be the difference between making the playoffs and not.
   24. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 11, 2019 at 11:03 AM (#5804586)
I'm a little surprised by the ambivalence here. I have mixed feelings on BVW so far - I like his aggression and willingness to think big, but I think he has overpaid in most of his trades. Still, one of the the Mets' biggest weaknesses over the past couple of seasons has been their inability to field cromulent reserves and injury replacements. This was a team that started Adrian Gonzalez, Austin Jackson, Jose Reyes and Jose Bautista for long stretches last season, and sometimes all at once. Something named Jack Reinheimer even got 35 PAs last season. It seems that BVW recognizes this - maybe the fit for Lowrie isn't obvious, but with the signing of Lowrie and the acquisitions of Keon Broxton and JD Davis, it seems unlikely that the Mets will be in a position where they are starting sub-replacement level players for long stretches next season. That has real value. Seriously - the players listed above had almost 1000 PAs last season and produced negative WAR. The Mets won't be in that position again, and those extra 3-4 wins could be the difference between making the playoffs and not.

I generally agree. PT issues have a way of working themselves out.
   25. formerly dp Posted: January 11, 2019 at 11:14 AM (#5804593)
I would guess the Lowrie signing indicates a lack of confidence in Rosario.
There's no way you'd want Lowrie playing SS though, right? There's every reason to feel good about Rosario going into 2019--he had a strong August/September. I suspect Cecchini and maybe Rivera (116 starts in the minors) are the emergency options if Rosario misses significant playing time. Lowrie seems like he'd be OK there for a game or two spelling Rosario, given his experience. But he'd probably be a disaster for a week or a month.
   26. formerly dp Posted: January 11, 2019 at 11:16 AM (#5804597)
Do we know that though? He's played 67 games in AAA, in an extreme hitters environment. Is a 941 OPS in 67 games in Vegas proof that he's ready? I don't think it's crazy to give him a couple months to see if he can still hit in Syracuse.
I made a similar point in the other thread. There are a lot of positives there, and his performance at AA was legitimately impressive. But those numbers at Vegas do not look particularly great, especially given that he wasn't particularly young for the league.
   27. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 11, 2019 at 11:20 AM (#5804598)
There's no way you'd want Lowrie playing SS though, right? There's every reason to feel good about Rosario going into 2019--he had a strong August/September. I suspect Cecchini and maybe Rivera (116 starts in the minors) are the emergency options if Rosario misses significant playing time. Lowrie seems like he'd be OK there for a game or two spelling Rosario, given his experience. But he'd probably be a disaster for a week or a month.

I'm not sure. He was above average at 2B last year, and generally averagish for his career.

But, if he's putting up a 120 wRC+, he can be Jeter bad at SS, and still be a 3+ win player. I doubt he'd be Jeter bad.
   28. Howie Menckel Posted: January 11, 2019 at 11:24 AM (#5804602)
I would guess the Lowrie signing indicates a lack of confidence in Rosario.

um, no.

Rosario is young and hit .303 in his final 209 PA last year. he remains a little raw, but he will start 150 games at SS in 2019.
   29. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: January 11, 2019 at 11:30 AM (#5804609)
I'm a little surprised by the ambivalence here.

It's just an odd use of resources, unless there's more to come. CF is still a weak spot. Jason Vargas is in the rotation, and the options behind him are uninspiring. The bullpen, while improved, doesn't run particularly deep.

All of those positions should be prioritized over adding depth to an area where they already have more good players than they can use if everyone is healthy. This team isn't the Dodgers. It can't just sign everyone.

Still, the contract is reasonable on it's face, and there's plenty of time left to address the other needs. So it's hard to really object right now.
   30. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 11, 2019 at 11:38 AM (#5804615)
um, no.

Rosario is young and hit .303 in his final 209 PA last year. he remains a little raw, but he will start 150 games at SS in 2019.


If he puts up a 70 wRC+ in the first couple of months, and the Mets are competitive, I doubt that.

If three of McNeil, Frazier, Cano, and Lowrie are hitting and Rosario is not, he's going to lose PT.

Jed Lowrie with -20 D at SS would have been a much better player than Rosario last year.
   31. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: January 11, 2019 at 11:38 AM (#5804617)
I'm less impressed/encouraged by Rosario's late-season surge than the rest of you, I think. But he's got to be the starting shortstop next year, with an extremely long leash.
   32. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 11, 2019 at 11:39 AM (#5804618)
Jason Vargas is in the rotation, and the options behind him are uninspiring.

Are Lugo and Gsellman not rotation options?
   33. formerly dp Posted: January 11, 2019 at 11:40 AM (#5804619)
I'm not sure. He was above average at 2B last year, and generally averagish for his career.

But, if he's putting up a 120 wRC+, he can be Jeter bad at SS, and still be a 3+ win player. I doubt he'd be Jeter bad.

The last time he played SS regularly was 2014. It's safe to say he's done there--hasn't even been busted out as an emergency guy there for the A's. Howie's right on this--barring injury, Rosario starts 150+ games out there. I'm excited to see how he develops in 2019, still only 23. He upped his running game after moving to the leadoff spot, but no idea where he'll hit this year. I think the projected order right now is Nimmo-Cano-Ramos-Conforto for the top 4, I can see a case for Frazier #5 and Alonso #6, so that leave the 7-8 spots for SS and CF. But with this many dudes to play with, I suspect there'll be a lot of day-to-day shuffling.
   34. formerly dp Posted: January 11, 2019 at 11:42 AM (#5804621)
The bullpen, while improved, doesn't run particularly deep.
I disagree here, with the gains Gsellman and Lugo made last year. But they need a lefty desperately. Did Oliver Perez already sign somewhere?
   35. formerly dp Posted: January 11, 2019 at 11:53 AM (#5804629)
I'm less impressed/encouraged by Rosario's late-season surge than the rest of you, I think. But he's got to be the starting shortstop next year, with an extremely long leash.
IIRC, when Rosario was coming up, he was regarded as a defense-first SS. He seemed to make a lot of mental mistakes last year that overshadowed his raw ability out there. If that fielding ability stabilizes, he doesn't need to hit .300 to be an asset.

I will also continue to maintain that Vegas was a bad environment for a hitter like Rosario to develop in, because it rewarded bad contact with good results. Rosario had a .377 BABIP in 2017 at Vegas in 2017, which followed a .433 (!) line at AA the year before. That sort of success will produce bad habits at the plate, and the sort of overconfidence that Rosario exuded early on.
   36. Howie Menckel Posted: January 11, 2019 at 12:00 PM (#5804634)
But they need a lefty desperately.

the Mets really like Daniel Zamora (16 K in 9 MLB IP in 2018). maybe too much, but....

also I think they just signed an AL LHP to a minor league deal

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