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Tuesday, March 20, 2018

Mets may finally have a Syndergaard, deGrom, Harvey, Matz, Wheeler rotation

A turn in the Mets rotation made up of Noah Syndergaard, Jacob deGrom, Matt Harvey, Steven Matz, and Zack Wheeler has never happened. Not in any order. Any time the guys have been up in the majors, at least one of them has been injured.

In 2015, when the Mets had the best chance of this rotation order working with four of these pieces rolling, Wheeler was sidelined after undergoing Tommy John surgery.

His recovery carried into 2016, and in 2017, it was Harvey, Matz, and Syndergaard’s turns to miss some time.

This spring though, everyone is still surprisingly healthy and looking better than in years past.

Mets general manager Sandy Alderson doesn’t really care about this small fact and has been focused solely on winning, regardless of who’s out there.

Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: March 20, 2018 at 09:42 PM | 28 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: March 21, 2018 at 11:52 AM (#5640899)
It looks like Vargas is going to miss a start because he broke his non-pitching hand. It'll be fun to have a turn in the rotation like this, even if the shine isn't as bright as it might have been in years past.
   2. Adam Starblind Posted: March 21, 2018 at 12:13 PM (#5640912)
It's pretty obvious that Harvey is going to throw about 170 innings of 105 ERA+ ball, depart for the Cardinals or Angels on a contract a bit too rich for the Mets' blood (say $70MM/4 years), and return to 2013 form.
   3. PreservedFish Posted: March 21, 2018 at 12:30 PM (#5640930)
That turn of events seems unlikely to me.
   4. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: March 21, 2018 at 01:14 PM (#5640975)
It's pretty obvious that Harvey is going to throw about 170 innings of 105 ERA+ ball, depart for the Cardinals or Angels on a contract a bit too rich for the Mets' blood (say $70MM/4 years), and return to 2013 form.


I could live with him doing that for the Angels and getting Trout a ring. If he goes to the Cardinals and wins with them, now that would be unfortunate :/
   5. ThisElevatorIsDrivingMeUpTheWall Posted: March 21, 2018 at 02:18 PM (#5641041)
I think the fact that this sentence has been written means it cannot happen.
   6. Spahn Insane Posted: March 22, 2018 at 11:08 AM (#5641496)
I could live with him doing that for the Angels and getting Trout a ring. If he goes to the Cardinals and wins with them, now that would be unfortunate :/

I find your ideas intriguing and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

(Hey, that meme's so old and tired, it's now new and fresh.)
   7. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: March 22, 2018 at 11:48 AM (#5641553)
Syndergaard, deGrom, and Harvey will all start in a row and be fine, but when Matz is pitching he's going to snap his UCL on a wild pitch that somehow brains Wheeler.
   8. Lassus Posted: March 22, 2018 at 12:28 PM (#5641606)
I can't keep track of the jinx logistics here.
   9. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: March 22, 2018 at 12:54 PM (#5641637)
What's are your expectations for this team? For me, any win total between 70 and 92 would not be a surprise.
   10. Lassus Posted: March 22, 2018 at 01:00 PM (#5641649)
Last year was a bit more painful than I would have liked. I'm going to have a better time this year as my expectations will be very low. Definitely looking forward to the season, however.
   11. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 22, 2018 at 01:11 PM (#5641662)
What's are your expectations for this team? For me, any win total between 70 and 92 would not be a surprise.

Best estimate: 87 wins and a WC berth. 10-20% chance of taking the division from WAS. 25% chance of a full injury-driven meltdown.
   12. PreservedFish Posted: March 22, 2018 at 01:15 PM (#5641666)
For me, any win total between 70 and 92 would not be a surprise.


I'm thinking between 70 and 85 would not be a surprised.
   13. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: March 22, 2018 at 01:29 PM (#5641677)
I think when I said that I would not be surprised with a win total of 92 is that I can see reasonable scenarios that they win that many games. The starting pitching could potentially be really good. However, I think a better term would be that I would not be shocked with a win total that high.
   14. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: March 22, 2018 at 01:40 PM (#5641692)
I'd go anywhere from 68-94 myself. This team has huge variance written all over it.
   15. Conor Posted: March 22, 2018 at 02:57 PM (#5641763)
25% chance of a full injury-driven meltdown.


That means there's a 75% chance there isn't a full injury driven meltdown, which as a Met fan, seems a little too high.
   16. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: March 22, 2018 at 03:24 PM (#5641788)
Rafael Montero has a torn UCL.
   17. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 22, 2018 at 03:38 PM (#5641795)
Rafael Montero has a torn UCL.

OK. Raise my estimate to 88 wins.
   18. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: March 22, 2018 at 03:55 PM (#5641812)
That's ice cold, Snapper.
   19. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: March 22, 2018 at 07:11 PM (#5641916)
After a strong start to the spring, Wheeler has been pretty bad. An impressive start for pitchers is not as impressive for me as I believe pitchers start faster.
   20. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 22, 2018 at 07:42 PM (#5641946)
After a strong start to the spring, Wheeler has been pretty bad.

11:2 K:BB ratio, 0 HRs, and 11 K in 8 IP isn't really bad.
   21. JJ1986 Posted: March 22, 2018 at 07:48 PM (#5641948)
Wheeler did not look good tonight.
   22. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: March 23, 2018 at 01:20 PM (#5642292)
Looks like Wheeler may not get a start while Vargas is out. Lugo might get the start instead. Does Wheeler have an option left? Because honestly that might be the best thing for him right now.
   23. Lassus Posted: March 23, 2018 at 01:25 PM (#5642296)
Has he really been THAT bad, in total? I've been moving and haven't kept up.
   24. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: March 23, 2018 at 01:56 PM (#5642318)
What's are your expectations for this team? For me, any win total between 70 and 92 would not be a surprise.


85 wins, challenge for the division and fall a couple games short, end up with the 2nd WC.
   25. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: March 23, 2018 at 02:37 PM (#5642361)
Do you really think 87-88 wins is going to be enough to win the division? The Nats are better than that, no?
   26. Adam Starblind Posted: March 24, 2018 at 11:35 AM (#5642630)
Wheeler sent to AAA. The "dream" remains just out of reach.
   27. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 24, 2018 at 11:39 AM (#5642631)
Do you really think 87-88 wins is going to be enough to win the division? The Nats are better than that, no?

Even if the Nats are a 95-win true talent team, 87-88 wins is only 1 SD away. And the Nats aren't that good. FG has them projected at 89 wins, to the Mets 82.
   28. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: March 24, 2018 at 12:21 PM (#5642637)
Wheeler sent to AAA. The "dream" remains just out of reach.

I think that's the right move. Allows the Mets to preserve some depth, allows Wheeler to work on some things, and gives the Mets the best chance of winning right now.

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