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Mets’ Mickey Callaway was never made for this

I sense an impending feeding frenzy.

Jim Furtado Posted: June 03, 2019 at 06:49 PM | 41 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Walt Davis Posted: June 03, 2019 at 08:07 PM (#5847968)
As is often the case, I'm not sure how much can be laid at Callaway's feet. At best, the Mets were expected to compete in a dogfight division where the winner might well not reach 90 wins -- i.e. the Mets might be a little better than 500. They're a little worse than 500 and the Phils are on a 90-91 win pace.

The main issue is that the staff has a 4.20 FIP and a 4.60 ERA. Per Rfield, the defense has been bad although this is entirely JD Davis and Rosario -- and Rosario's numbers are worse than a bad Jeter season so I'm not sure he can really be that bad. Anyway, Rosario was bad defensively last yer (per Rfield) and I don't think anybody thought JD Davis could really handle 3B so it's not the manager's fault these were the pieces he was given. Rosario of course is still crazy young so some blame goes to Callaway and his staff for not making him better defensively.

Beyond that, Cano hasn't hit and is now on the IL and there's a hole in CF cuz Lagares can't hit (and Nimmo hasn't been hitting, also on the IL and not really a CF) ... but the Mets have had a hole in CF since at least 2015 when Lagares started getting hurt and his bat went bad.

I don't think its systemic but the Mets seem to often get stuck with too many corner players. Right now it's Alonso, Smith, Nimmo, Conforto, Davis ... and they've been playing McNeil in LF too ... and Cespedes on the DL. I doubt there's a good fit out there but Smith for a genuine CF would make sense. (I doubt they're ready to move on from Rosario and not sure they should ... and they have to see if Cano can snap out of it when he comes back.)
   2. Dog on the sidewalk has an ugly bracelet Posted: June 03, 2019 at 09:01 PM (#5847981)
I agree with everything in post 1, but I'd still fire him.
   3. Adam Starblind Posted: June 04, 2019 at 07:42 AM (#5848030)
Rosario of course is still crazy young so some blame goes to Callaway and his staff for not making him better defensively.


A lot of his bad defense this year has been good-old-fashioned errors. That's on Rosario. You're supposed to get to the big leagues fully formed in that regard. Staff shouldn't have to tell a major leaguer to get his glove down, look the ball in, use too hands, etc., like he was in little league.
   4. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: June 04, 2019 at 09:13 AM (#5848049)
The idea that it would be the staff's fault if he lacked range but they can't be expected to work with him on mechanics is...a take.
   5. . Posted: June 04, 2019 at 09:36 AM (#5848059)
The fundamental problem with the Mets is that they have a senior management level that exists only to give someone close to ownership something to do. Jeffy is to the Mets what Steve Mills is to the Knicks.) There's no real function or accountability in the role and so inevitably when things go bad, the knives come out in the press and blame is affixed to someone with an actual function.

It's an inherently dysfunctional structure. Success can happen, but it's purely accidental and invariably short-lived when it does. The Knicks had their 2012-13, the Mets had their 2015-16 and that's basically it.
   6. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: June 04, 2019 at 10:09 AM (#5848080)
I fully endorse posts #1 and #5.
   7. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: June 04, 2019 at 10:42 AM (#5848100)
Rosario made 10 errors in a 17-game span from April 17 - May 7, including 4 two-error games. He hasn't made one in the 23 games since, which ain't exactly a Rey Ordonez-level streak, but to the extent you want to blame the coaching staff you at least have to acknowledge that he seems to have snapped out of it.
   8. Lassus Posted: June 04, 2019 at 11:15 AM (#5848118)
I have a hard time laying this on Callaway, and I think firing him would be kind of stupid. But the Mets ownership IS kind of stupid, so whatever.
   9. bobm Posted: June 04, 2019 at 12:33 PM (#5848201)
Jeffy is to the Mets what Steve Mills James Dolan is to the Knicks.

FTFY
   10. Adam Starblind Posted: June 04, 2019 at 03:01 PM (#5848313)


I have a hard time laying this on Callaway, and I think firing him would be kind of stupid. But the Mets ownership IS kind of stupid, so whatever.


Agreed. Callaway didn't tell Syndergaard and Cano to suck.
   11. Panik on the streets of Flushing! (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 04, 2019 at 03:56 PM (#5848357)
Jeff McNeil activated, Tyler Bashlor optioned to AAA
   12. Adam Starblind Posted: June 04, 2019 at 07:45 PM (#5848463)

The idea that it would be the staff's fault if he lacked range but they can't be expected to work with him on mechanics is...a take.


Cute rhetorical trick, but sticking "keep your eye on it" and other Police Boys Club tips under the "mechanics" umbrella doesn't make it the coaching staff's fault when Amed Rosario lets the ball go through his legs 10 times in 17 days.
   13. Dog on the sidewalk has an ugly bracelet Posted: June 05, 2019 at 12:26 AM (#5848548)
Do you all think Callaway is a good manager? I don't.

I don't blame him for the team's problems, because I'm strongly disinclined to ever credit a manager for much, one way or the other. But I've seen almost nothing in his time with the Mets, be it on-field strategy or the more nebulous clubhouse stuff, that suggests he should keep his job.
   14. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: June 05, 2019 at 10:32 AM (#5848604)
Do you all think Callaway is a good manager?


Nope.
   15. Panik on the streets of Flushing! (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 05, 2019 at 11:16 AM (#5848619)
Do you all think Callaway is a good manager?


Most certainly not. His bullpen management/workload management has been brutal this year, which is really the #1 thing that a manager is responsible for in 2019 MLB. He doesn't do anything tactically, so there's nothing to talk about there. He manages like a person who is under orders from people who don't know anything about baseball. If there was the slightest chance that the Mets would go out and get a decent tactical manager who understands modern bullpen usage etc, I would say go get that person. But there is no chance of that. Jeff/Fred will never hire someone who thinks independently.
   16. PreservedFish Posted: June 05, 2019 at 11:21 AM (#5848625)
Jeff/Fred will never hire someone who thinks independently.


Why do you say that?

I think it's Brodie that is more likely to want a button-pusher, because that's what all the cool kids are doing.
   17. Panik on the streets of Flushing! (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 05, 2019 at 11:34 AM (#5848628)
I think it's Brodie that is more likely to want a button-pusher, because that's what all the cool kids are doing


Because I don't think Brodie is the one making the decisions around here. At least not without the ok from above.
   18. Panik on the streets of Flushing! (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 05, 2019 at 11:43 AM (#5848630)
Furthermore, I think the reason BVW was hired by the Wilpons is because they thought they (Jeff mostly I would imagine) could control more of the baseball operations than they would be able to if they hired Chaim Bloom or someone else with front office experience.
   19. PreservedFish Posted: June 05, 2019 at 12:06 PM (#5848637)
Yes, the Wilpons always want a finger in the pie, but I've never had the impression that they would shy away from an opinionated veteran manager, as opposed to some youthful tool of the front office. If anything, because they prefer a collegial environment to a hierarchical one, they are probably more likely to bring in their own independently-minded manager than allow Brodie to select a pliant nerd guy.
   20. Panik on the streets of Flushing! (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 05, 2019 at 12:44 PM (#5848649)
Perhaps. I think it's wild that they picked a GM with zero experience as opposed to some of the best and brightest FO minds in the game. And don't get me wrong, I am on board with a lot of what the Mets have done under Brodie. I didn't think the offseason was a disaster, though I was puzzled by some of the moves and the fact that they seemingly stopped short of going all-in. But the shuffling of the chairs I thought was largely decent to good. I do think Mickey's workload management is god awful. I don't know if he is making those decisions or what but good Lord do they overuse some of these bullpen arms including Familia, Diaz, and Gsellman.

As far as managers go, since Doubleday left and Jeffy took his place in the FO, they've hired Art Howe, who basically was taking orders from Billy Beane before that. Willie Randolph, who was a first time manager. Jerry Manuel who didn't really seem like an opinionated guy. Terry who was never gonna get another MLB job if the Mets didn't hire him. And Mickey, another rookie manager. So in that 17 year period, they had some opportunities to hire a veteran manager with a little swagger/cache and did not do so. Certainly does NOT prove my point, but it lends a little support to it. Does it even matter? Who knows?

To end on a positive note, I think they have had the best draft that I can remember as a Mets fan. So hopefully that works out.
   21. PreservedFish Posted: June 05, 2019 at 12:53 PM (#5848651)
I think it's wild that they picked a GM with zero experience as opposed to some of the best and brightest FO minds in the game.


Bloom: I'm going to overhaul your entire front office, top to bottom.
BVW: Nah, all those guys you already hired are great! They just need some new leadership!

Bloom: I would certainly expect ... at least some measure of autonomy.
BVW: Oh, god, I would never dream of making a major move without talking about it with you guys first!
   22. Panik on the streets of Flushing! (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 05, 2019 at 12:54 PM (#5848652)
Bloom: I'm going to overhaul your entire front office, top to bottom.
BVW: Nah, all those guys you already hired are great! They just need some new leadership!

Bloom: I would certainly expect ... at least some measure of autonomy.
BVW: Oh, god, I would never dream of making a major move without talking about it with you guys first!


Couldn't agree more that this is how it went.
   23. reech Posted: June 05, 2019 at 02:37 PM (#5848680)
Why does anyone still think the Mets are any good?
Nimmo (that neck thing is gonna ruin him) and Cespedes are finished
They're playing retreads in the OF (Gomez/Davis/Lagares ad nauseaum)- They should put Dom Smith out there every day.
Frazier is horrible.
Lowrie is missing in inaction.
Cano is done.
The bullpen stinks.
DeGrom, Wheeler and Thor (perhaps he has Harvey-NYC-itis?) have regressed.

Yeah, Calloway is in over his head, but jeez... what can he do with that line-up?


   24. Howie Menckel Posted: June 05, 2019 at 02:43 PM (#5848684)
Frazier is horrible.

fwiw, hitting .339 in 62 AB over last 3 weeks
   25. Banta Posted: June 05, 2019 at 02:47 PM (#5848686)
Alonso might end up being the best first baseman the Mets have ever had and Conforto is legit. If the pitching staff can sort itself out and the Mets get a couple guys to hit better/get healthy, they aren't a bad team.

Alonso hit his 20th last night. Mets 1st base single season HR record is only 38. He isn't a complete hitter yet but his power is impressive enough that I feel way better about the Mets simply because of him.

That's enough optimism. Fire Mickey!!
   26. Panik on the streets of Flushing! (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 05, 2019 at 03:06 PM (#5848690)
Thor (perhaps he has Harvey-NYC-itis?)


This take is wrong on so many levels.
   27. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: June 05, 2019 at 03:33 PM (#5848700)
Alonso might end up being the best first baseman the Mets have ever had


Keith Hernandez would like a word with you, Banta...


If the pitching staff can sort itself out and the Mets get a couple guys to hit better/get healthy, they aren't a bad team.


That you, Jeffy?

This has been the story of this team since at least 2005.
   28. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: June 05, 2019 at 04:08 PM (#5848718)

I am still pretty positive on this team. Degrom has regressed from his Cy Young form but is still very good; Thor and Wheeler are the victims of bad defense. Nimmo may not be as good as he was last year but Alonso / Conforto / McNeill is a good young offensive core. Ramos is hitting again and we have him locked up for another two years. Maybe Smith is for real, maybe not. The bullpen is still a weakness as is the defense. 5th rotation spot is still a dumpster fire contributing to the bullpen overuse.
   29. Panik on the streets of Flushing! (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 05, 2019 at 05:10 PM (#5848732)
I don't see them topping 85 wins. I could have seen like 88 before the season but they've dug themselves a little hole. I'm not giving up yet, but if it gets past 7 games it's gonna be tough to win the division. Who knows with the WC.
   30. asinwreck Posted: June 05, 2019 at 05:18 PM (#5848734)
Jerry Manuel who didn't really seem like an opinionated guy.

Frank Thomas would disagree.
   31. Panik on the streets of Flushing! (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 05, 2019 at 05:26 PM (#5848736)
Frank Thomas would disagree


Fair enough. When he was with the Mets he was kind of lame. He called Johan Santana "gangsta" one time and that was pretty great. Otherwise it was a relatively unmemorable tenure. Or maybe I've blocked it out.
   32. Banta Posted: June 05, 2019 at 06:02 PM (#5848744)
Keith Hernandez, for as everything as he is, did only end up playing four full quality seasons for the Mets (plus a half when acquired). The bar for the position is not high, especially in the power department. I think Ed Kranepool still holds the record for most Mets career homeruns as a first baseman. Alonso is more than a sixth of the way there already!

Also I cosign #28 though I still hold reservations about McNeil. I value power these days, if the above didn't emphasize that.
   33. billyshears Posted: June 05, 2019 at 06:28 PM (#5848748)
The Mets problems are probably not Callaway's fault. It seems evident though, that Callaway is not a good manager, and likely a bad one. The Mets should fire Callaway and hire somebody they believe is likely to be a good manager.
   34. Howie Menckel Posted: June 05, 2019 at 09:05 PM (#5848782)
5th rotation spot is still a dumpster fire contributing to the bullpen overuse.

Vargas storms off the mound tonight, waving his first in the air at Never Give An Inge, lol.

he had allowed exactly one ER in 5 of his last 6 starts (and 3 in the other), and tonight tosses 6 scoreless. no, I am not making this up.

that said, it's true that he's been only averaging around 5 IP (though 7 IP in his last start and 6 tonight).

I think most teams would take a 5th SP who gives up 1 ER with 5 IP, even though - as you correctly note - it does tax the bullpen. he's also giving the Mets a chance to win (well, if they had a decent bullpen).
   35. Howie Menckel Posted: June 05, 2019 at 09:37 PM (#5848793)
WHOA correction: EIGHT scoreless by Vargas tonight.
   36. Adam Starblind Posted: June 05, 2019 at 09:42 PM (#5848799)
He called Johan Santana "gangsta" one time and that was pretty great.


I believe he also said that he, Manuel, was a gangsta and was going to "cut" Reyes.
   37. formerly dp Posted: June 05, 2019 at 09:48 PM (#5848804)
Guys please please please keep up the griping, seems to be working...
   38. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: June 06, 2019 at 08:19 AM (#5848933)
Vargas pitched a complete game 5-hitter last night. Looks like my motivation tactics worked — maybe I should be the Mets manager?

But yeah, I had missed that Vargas has been good lately, but he also missed 3 starts at the beginning of May during which we were subjected to Wilmer Font going 4 innings even in his “good” starts.
   39. Adam Starblind Posted: June 06, 2019 at 09:00 AM (#5848939)
we were subjected to Wilmer Font going 4 innings even in his “good” starts


These events were incomprehensible to me. Can somebody explain why they traded for a bad reliever and put him in the rotation?
   40. PreservedFish Posted: June 06, 2019 at 09:10 AM (#5848942)
I hate Vargas so much.
   41. Lassus Posted: June 06, 2019 at 09:16 AM (#5848946)
As I said elsewhere, this Vargas game was a micro victory and a macro defeat.

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