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Friday, June 08, 2018

Mets minor leaguer gives up 14 runs, immediately retires

Mets minor league pitcher Aaron Laffey began Wednesday night as the starting pitcher for the Triple-A Las Vegas 51s. By the end of the evening, he had given up 14 runs and quit baseball altogether.

Seems appropriate.

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   1. perros Posted: June 08, 2018 at 07:11 AM (#5688186)
A sick part of me wishes I were a Mets fan.
   2. Hysterical & Useless Posted: June 08, 2018 at 07:17 AM (#5688188)
How many outs did he get? Given that this was Vegas, 14 runs might only be equivalent to a park-neutral 8 or 9 ERA. Could probably use him in Flushing.
   3. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 08, 2018 at 07:58 AM (#5688197)
Too bad he quit, since he might be pitching for the Mets on Sunday night once Syndergaard throws out his back.
   4. Lassus Posted: June 08, 2018 at 08:14 AM (#5688200)
I have to wonder if that will stick. I mean, he made it to Triple-A.
   5. Adam Starblind Posted: June 08, 2018 at 08:29 AM (#5688202)
I have to wonder if that will stick. I mean, he made it to Triple-A.


Not sure if this is sarcasm (sorry), but he made it down to Triple-A. Laffey was in MLB for several years, but not since 2015. He's 33 and has been ineffective for a long time.
   6. Darren Posted: June 08, 2018 at 08:32 AM (#5688203)
If you RTFA, it's not as bad as it sounds. He had a 16 year pro career, including time in the bigs. He had just signed with the Mets out of Indy Ball and had been drubbed in his previous 2 outings as well.

Now, who lets their pitcher stay in to give up 14 runs?
   7. Lassus Posted: June 08, 2018 at 08:56 AM (#5688214)
Not sure if this is sarcasm (sorry), but he made it down to Triple-A. Laffey was in MLB for several years, but not since 2015. He's 33 and has been ineffective for a long time.

Listen, it's not my fault if I only read headlines and make up the story from there.




Oh wait, that is my fault.
   8. Rally Posted: June 08, 2018 at 09:34 AM (#5688230)
3 innings, 26 batters faced, 84 pitches.

Now, who lets their pitcher stay in to give up 14 runs?


In some situations you might not have a choice. Say your bullpen has been worked hard, the big league team just called up two of your fresh arms (while demoting to AAA two pitchers who are currently unavailable because they threw 50+ pitches of mopup or extra innings in a big league game the day before), and the big league team also told you not to use another fresh armed pitcher because they might need him for a spot start tomorrow.

If this is a top prospect, then you don't let him get hit around for that long. But a 33 year old who is just trying to hang on? His job is to give you innings. Even if they are very ugly innings.

I don't know if that situation described above is the circumstance the LV manager was in, but things like that are what AAA managers deal with regularly. It's a situation that calls for a position player pitching sometimes, which is what happened in this game. Jeff Glenn, a backup catcher, pitched the last two innings without giving up a run.
   9. bunyon Posted: June 08, 2018 at 09:46 AM (#5688242)
Liffey: god this is hard.

Backup catcher: here, let me try.
   10. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: June 08, 2018 at 09:48 AM (#5688243)
The Orioles should be calling him soon.
   11. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: June 08, 2018 at 10:01 AM (#5688253)
Laffey, 33, threw three-plus innings in Wednesday’s game, giving up 14 runs — 12 earned — on 15 hits as the 51s lost 16-4 to New Orleans at Cashman Field.

Wednesday, he gave up three runs in the first, two in the second and three in the third before the Baby Cakes (28-31) erupted for eight runs in the fourth. Six of those runs came off of Laffey.

Though Laffey was hit hard early, he wound up pitching three-plus innings to try to help preserve the bullpen.

“We just don’t have enough bullpen depth,” DeFrancesco said. “After yesterday’s game, there’s only three relievers down there. If I use them all in the game today, there’s nobody to pitch tomorrow so that’s part of Triple-A — you have to sacrifice a game for the next two or three games.”

   12. Mike Emeigh Posted: June 08, 2018 at 10:51 AM (#5688287)
Now, who lets their pitcher stay in to give up 14 runs?


As the excerpt in #11 suggests, this is part of the nature of minor league baseball. Minor league teams have smaller rosters, and the primary purpose of those rosters is to feed players to the major leagues. Winning baseball games isn't entirely secondary to that, but it's not as important as making sure that you have a ready pipeline of players to fill the major league team's needs. And what that usually means is that pitching staffs are managed entirely differently than they would be in the majors.

-- MWE
   13. Zonk's Timely Epoch Posted: June 08, 2018 at 10:55 AM (#5688291)
Minor league teams have smaller rosters


I've always wondered why this is... I mean, even at smaller roster sizes - most orgs are primarily comprised of org fodder. Given the cost controls at the MiLB level, I don't understand why teams don't have a few spare arms sitting around.

It's not like they'd be hard to find - plenty of org fodder types would be happy to move up the ladder in exchange for those mopup chances to show they're more than just org fodder.
   14. Nasty Nate Posted: June 08, 2018 at 10:57 AM (#5688292)
Additionally, if this is the guy's last time on the mound as a professional, he might have wanted to stay in for a few innings.
   15. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 08, 2018 at 11:05 AM (#5688300)
Laffey actually had a decent little career. Nothing special but hey, parts of 8 seasons in the bigs, he appeared in a playoff game and this is kind of neat, had two career hits. One in his first MLB at bat, one in his last, none in between (2 for 9 in his career). That's a fun bit of trivia.
   16. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 08, 2018 at 12:02 PM (#5688351)
Laffey actually had a decent little career.

Definitely true. He reached 4 years, 101 days service time. So at the $415K minimum (which seems to be what he earned from BRef) that's $1.9M in career earnings. Add in his miLB salaries, and he's probably close to $2.5M. That's a hell of a lot more than most people earn between 22 and 33.

Plus he'll get a decent pension, and healthcare.
   17. perros Posted: June 08, 2018 at 12:04 PM (#5688354)
Winning any single minor league game is beside the point, as are worrying about minor league stats.
   18. Rusty Priske Posted: June 08, 2018 at 01:13 PM (#5688393)
I used to have Aaron Laffey in our Strat keeper league.

This isn't even the most random appearances of such a thing this week.

A couple of days ago I went and saw the Ottawa Champions vs the Quebec Capitales in a CanAm league game. Playing for the Capitales was Josh Vitters.

I drafted him in that same strat league after his first appearance in the bigs. I thought he was going to be great.

(Of course I also once thought that Alex Liddi was going to be the next Adam Dunn.)
   19. Astroenteritis Posted: June 08, 2018 at 01:25 PM (#5688400)
They say the game will tell you when it's time to leave, but it doesn't have to shout.
   20. Swoboda is freedom Posted: June 08, 2018 at 02:59 PM (#5688452)
The Orioles should be calling him soon.

Too bad the Orioles aren't playing the Mets anymore this year. He would probably throw a shutout against the Mets too.
   21. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 08, 2018 at 05:18 PM (#5688571)
The Orioles should be calling him soon.

I take it you're remembering Dylan Bundy's masterpiece.
   22. The Ghost of Sox Fans Past Posted: June 08, 2018 at 11:58 PM (#5688783)
Even Major League pitchers sometimes pitch on in these circumstances. Same reasons, saving the pen. It's called "wearing it".
   23. dejarouehg Posted: June 09, 2018 at 10:24 AM (#5688855)
I remember the many times I wished Doug Sisk would have adopted this same type of reaction to a lousy outing.
   24. KronicFatigue Posted: June 11, 2018 at 01:17 PM (#5689680)
I've always wondered why this is... I mean, even at smaller roster sizes - most orgs are primarily comprised of org fodder. Given the cost controls at the MiLB level, I don't understand why teams don't have a few spare arms sitting around.

It's not like they'd be hard to find - plenty of org fodder types would be happy to move up the ladder in exchange for those mopup chances to show they're more than just org fodder.


Wouldn't it be a playing time issue? If I don't care about winning games, and at the minor league level I shouldn't, then I'm going to make the rosters as small as possible so that all my guys get as much gametime in as possible. The fodder can eat the innings like in this situation, but anyone with an ounce of potential should be getting in as much as possible in real circumstances.

The guy who would love a chance to mop up in AAA should be down in double a getting regular playing time. I'd be more impressed with several appearances down there, than a few appearances at AAA.
   25. formerly dp Posted: June 11, 2018 at 03:03 PM (#5689828)
Since this is the default currently-running Met thread: A-Gon released, Jose Lobaton DFA'd, Dom Smith & Ty Kelly promoted. Reports that the Mets are pressuring Reyes to hold an official retirement ceremony so they can send him off in style. Not that it matters, but I'm not sure why Kelly got the call ahead of Gavin Cecchini--but maybe they're going to bring Cecchini up once they kick Reyes to the curb? Flores should be back soon too. Apparently they're also considering sending Conforto down again, which it's difficult to argue against at this stage.
   26. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 11, 2018 at 04:05 PM (#5689854)
Apparently they're also considering sending Conforto down again, which it's difficult to argue against at this stage.


Actually I think it's pretty easy to argue against it since there is nobody better on the team right now. It is frustrating to watch him, but Bruce has been literally dreadful.
   27. formerly dp Posted: June 11, 2018 at 04:18 PM (#5689861)
Actually I think it's pretty easy to argue against it since there is nobody better on the team right now. It is frustrating to watch him, but Bruce has been literally dreadful.
I don't see them sending Bruce down--and I don't know WTF is wrong with Conforto, but there might be something to the idea that he rushed back from shoulder surgery...had a few good games sandwiched between awful cold spells. FWIW they ran Smith out in LF/RF for 5 games at Vegas...he looks like he'd probably be not great out there, and he isn't hitting for power (slugging under .400 at ####### Vegas is a *difficult* feat to pull off). I still endorse the Cespedes/Conforto/Nimmo OF, with Bruce sliding to 1B, but it's doubtful they called Smith up to sit (plus Cespedes is hurt again, yay).
   28. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 11, 2018 at 04:26 PM (#5689867)
I don't see them sending Bruce down--and I don't know WTF is wrong with Conforto, but there might be something to the idea that he rushed back from shoulder surgery...had a few good games sandwiched between awful cold spells. FWIW they ran Smith out in LF/RF for 5 games at Vegas...he looks like he'd probably be not great out there, and he isn't hitting for power (slugging under .400 at ####### Vegas is a *difficult* feat to pull off). I still endorse the Cespedes/Conforto/Nimmo OF, with Bruce sliding to 1B, but it's doubtful they called Smith up to sit (plus Cespedes is hurt again, yay).


Agree with all this. I think it's possible he's still building up strength in the shoulder. I don't know what is wrong with Bruce! As bad as Conforto has been, Bruce has been worse. Obviously he's not going to AAA as you said, but he has been maddeningly bad. I hope Dominic Smith hits, but I don't think he will. I don't understand their reticence to bring up McNeil.
   29. formerly dp Posted: June 11, 2018 at 06:02 PM (#5689905)
I hope Dominic Smith hits, but I don't think he will. I don't understand their reticence to bring up McNeil.
I dunno...maybe they want to give Smith a shot before giving up on him altogether? But Cecchini's even outhitting him at Vegas, and not by a narrow margin either.
   30. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 11, 2018 at 06:33 PM (#5689918)
Reports that the Mets are pressuring Reyes to hold an official retirement ceremony so they can send him off in style.
A 17 OPS+ isn't official enough?
   31. formerly dp Posted: June 11, 2018 at 07:27 PM (#5689932)
Cabrera's potential injury bought him a couple more games apparently.
   32. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 11, 2018 at 09:59 PM (#5690010)
I hope Dominic Smith hits, but I don't think he will. I don't understand their reticence to bring up McNeil.
I dunno...maybe they want to give Smith a shot before giving up on him altogether?
I thought maybe he was someone who should have aged out of AAA, the way he's being talked about. The guy's not even turning 23 until next week! I think a few more shots are in order before giving up on him. I'd much rather give a might-be like Smith more time instead of a has-been like Bruce.
   33. formerly dp Posted: June 11, 2018 at 10:18 PM (#5690029)
Bruce has 2 more years left on his contact after this. I was all for handing Smith the gig in spring training, but he was hurt and now is really sucking at AAA. But maybe he's just been storing all his power up for when he gets to Citi.
   34. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 12, 2018 at 10:20 AM (#5690256)
Smith plays 1B, McNeil is a utility guy who could easily play 2B, SS, or 3B and bats RH. I don't want to see McNeil play 1B, I wanted to see him play 3B while Frazier was hurt, or 2B while Cabrera is hurt.

I'm not convinced Smith will hit, but I certainly recognize that he should get a shot.

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