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Monday, December 02, 2013

Mets non-tender Jordany Valdespin

Some Mets go when they get told to sit and ‘spin.

The JV1 era in Queens is over. According to multiple reports, Jordany Valdespin has been non-tendered by the Mets. Valdespin wasn’t arbitration-eligible until 2016, but it appears the Mets wanted to be rid of him…

2013 turned out to be a miserable season for Valdespin. After struggling mightily to begin the season, he hit a solo homer against the Pirates on May 10, 2013, in a 7-3 Mets loss. The homer came in the ninth inning with the Mets down 7-2, and Valdespin admired it.

The next day, Valdespin was sent up to pinch-hit in the seventh inning. He reportedly tried to get out of pinch-hitting in fear of being beaned, but his attempts were unsuccessful. Valdespin went to bat and was promptly plunked by Pirates reliever Bryan Morris.

His season only went down from there. After finishing June 16 with a .592 OPS, Valdespin received only sporadic playing time over the next month before being demoted to Triple-A Vegas. That did not sit well with Valdespin, who asked instead to be placed on the disabled list and called manager Terry Collins a “c*cksucker.”

Valdespin would see his 2013 end prematurely as he was given a 50-game suspension for PED use on August 5.

The District Attorney Posted: December 02, 2013 at 07:33 PM | 27 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: December 02, 2013 at 07:51 PM (#4609086)
Who?
   2. Lassus Posted: December 02, 2013 at 07:58 PM (#4609091)
No, Jordany plays second or outfield.
   3. PreservedFish Posted: December 02, 2013 at 08:33 PM (#4609098)
I hereby predict that, some years hence, Jordany Valdespin will return to this league as a slow & slugging low-OBP outfielder.
   4. flournoy Posted: December 02, 2013 at 08:51 PM (#4609109)
That did not sit well with Valdespin, who asked instead to be placed on the disabled list and called manager Terry Collins a “c*cksucker.”


Is this for real? This is not something that a human with a functioning brain calls his boss in public.
   5. Arbitol Dijaler Posted: December 02, 2013 at 09:02 PM (#4609117)
It was reported enough at the time to have a ring of truth to it. Anyway, nobody can prove to me that he didn't call Collins a c*cksucker.
   6. Arbitol Dijaler Posted: December 02, 2013 at 09:04 PM (#4609120)
They also dumped Hefner, Turner, Atchison, and Quintanilla. That's a lot of roster spots. Some evidence they're serious about ... something. I dunno.
   7. Lassus Posted: December 02, 2013 at 09:25 PM (#4609128)
I like those dumpings.

I mean, it doesn't necessarily mean they'll do anything smart, but I consider all that at least better than nothing.
   8. bobm Posted: December 02, 2013 at 09:56 PM (#4609159)
[4] from http://www.amazinavenue.com/2013/7/14/4523784/mets-jordany-valdespin-terry-collins-c@cksucker

(Address sanitized for your protection)


Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets

Was told Valdespin had a confrontation with Terry Collins and called the manager a "c - - ksucker" and demanded to be placed on the DL.
9:45 PM - 14 Jul 2013
   9. The District Attorney Posted: December 02, 2013 at 10:00 PM (#4609163)
Hefner surprises me a lot. I was convinced he was a #5/#6 starter type, and he should be able to pitch by '15. I'm sure he's nothing the slightest bit special, but I would not let go a non-disastrous starting pitcher with one year's worth of service time in exchange for nothing.

Amusing that the comments' reaction to calling Collins a c*cksucker is basically "well, I get that part." I actually had not heard that; I feel like I read a new thing about Valdespin's peccadillos every time I see a new item about him.

I'll be interested to see what becomes of Valdy. He'll probably amount to nothing: not enough of a hitter (even before losing any PED advantage) to play OF, not enough of a fielder to play 2B, not enough of a good player to have the personality of Jordany Valdespin. Still, he stood out as an athlete and had significant zazz.
   10. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: December 02, 2013 at 10:37 PM (#4609200)
called manager Terry Collins a “c*cksucker

Perhaps he meant it as a compliment, as in "he's one helluva c*cksucker!"
   11. formerly dp Posted: December 02, 2013 at 11:11 PM (#4609219)
A lot of these moves come as surprises: Hefner for the reasons DA outlines in #9, Turner and Quintanilla because the org seemed weirdly infatuated with them. I can see a strong case for keeping both position players-- the Mets have little depth at SS, and Turner can play all over the place. They're each bad-to-mediocre players, though, so maybe the Mets decided to go with other bad-to-mediocre players instead.

Jordany: He's got the personality of a megastar, without the talent or smarts to match it. I'm sure he'll pop a dozen homers coming off the bench for the Braves some year.
   12. PreservedFish Posted: December 02, 2013 at 11:23 PM (#4609230)
IIRC Valdespin demanded to be placed on DL - rather than demoted to AAA - because of the difference it would make in his paycheck.
   13. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: December 03, 2013 at 12:11 AM (#4609262)
Wow, that's quite a year.
   14. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: December 03, 2013 at 03:21 AM (#4609308)
If I remember correctly, it seems like Frank Francisco encouraged Mejia to do something like that, stay on the DL rather than rehab. I wonder if he put that idea in Valdespin's head as well.

I don't really get letting go Jordany right now if it is really solely about his disrespectful comments. Why wait if that's the season?

Hefner surprises me a lot. I was convinced he was a #5/#6 starter type, and he should be able to pitch by '15. I'm sure he's nothing the slightest bit special, but I would not let go a non-disastrous starting pitcher with one year's worth of service time in exchange for nothing.

Honestly, I don't how this looks and this is coming from a guy who is Hefner hater. The Mets just cut a guy who is on the DL even though he wasn't terrible. It didn't save them a roster spot. It really does look like they are cutting a guy to save 500k this year. I just do not like how that looks.
   15. Jeltzandini Posted: December 03, 2013 at 07:04 AM (#4609321)
Wow, that's quite a year.


Kind of defines "Kid, you ain't worth it."
   16. Mark S. is bored Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:50 AM (#4609451)
A lot of these moves come as surprises: Hefner for the reasons DA outlines in #9, Turner and Quintanilla because the org seemed weirdly infatuated with them. I can see a strong case for keeping both position players-- the Mets have little depth at SS, and Turner can play all over the place. They're each bad-to-mediocre players, though, so maybe the Mets decided to go with other bad-to-mediocre players instead.


Hefner is 27 and heading for TJ surgery. He was averagish this year for the Mets (-0.8 WAR in 130 innings), but because of the TJ surgery, I wouldn't be surprised to see him clear waivers. Q had a 70 OPS+ this past year (56 OPS+ career value), so I'm not surprised to see him go. Turner is the big surprise for me. He's not great, but he's an average hitter and decent defender with position flexibility.
   17. formerly dp Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:55 AM (#4609459)
Q had a 70 OPS+ this past year (56 OPS+ career value), so I'm not surprised to see him go.
On performance alone, I agree. But Collins seemed really positive on him, and he was a workhorse at SS last year. Not hard to replace, but they have to replace him.
   18. Mark S. is bored Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:00 AM (#4609464)
Q had a 70 OPS+ this past year (56 OPS+ career value), so I'm not surprised to see him go.

On performance alone, I agree. But Collins seemed really positive on him, and he was a workhorse at SS last year. Not hard to replace, but they have to replace him.

My assumption is that we see the return of Rubén Tejada.
   19. The District Attorney Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:15 AM (#4609483)
The Mets just cut a guy who is on the DL even though he wasn't terrible.
Good point as well.

My assumption is that we see the return of Rubén Tejada.
I think the organization really hates Tejada and will go to any lengths not to start him.

Quintanilla is singularly useless, though; he's not young, and is well below replacement value. You can't be afraid to release guys like that because you theoretically could do worse. You probably won't.
   20. JE (Jason) Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:22 AM (#4609491)
In other words, JV didn't call Collins a ########## in public.
   21. formerly dp Posted: December 03, 2013 at 12:41 PM (#4609571)
Quintanilla is singularly useless, though; he's not young, and is well below replacement value. You can't be afraid to release guys like that because you theoretically could do worse. You probably won't.
I agree, and I was puzzled when they anointed him the SS savior upon demoting Tejada: seemed like an odd vote of confidence for a guy with zero upside. I've said this a couple of times, but if they could deal Davis for a SS of some sort (similarly failed prospect; AAAA-type), that would be the ideal solution. Gives Tejada some competition,and leaves them with a backup plan if he fails.

Or, once they sign Cano, they could just slide Murphy over there and see what happens. It would be entertaining, if nothing else.
   22. Arbitol Dijaler Posted: December 03, 2013 at 03:20 PM (#4609763)
They also think that Wilfredo Tovar's glove can play in the big leagues right now. We'll probably see him for an extended look at some point this season.
   23. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: December 03, 2013 at 03:24 PM (#4609769)
The Phillies need to pick up Hefner if this really is an issue of the Mets not wanting to pay for rehab for a pre-arb player. Lordamighty.
   24. formerly dp Posted: December 03, 2013 at 04:16 PM (#4609824)
They also think that Wilfredo Tovar's glove can play in the big leagues right now. We'll probably see him for an extended look at some point this season.
Tovar would be a disaster with the bat. There's no way the gap between he and Tejada in the field could make up the vast gulf between them offensively.

Edit: To underscore, Tovar in 700+ PAs at AA as a 20-21 year-old, has hit .260/.319/.338. Tejada's at .259/.323/.319 through 1300+ (!) PAs in the majors.
   25. Mark S. is bored Posted: December 03, 2013 at 04:23 PM (#4609831)
The Phillies need to pick up Hefner if this really is an issue of the Mets not wanting to pay for rehab for a pre-arb player. Lordamighty.
Hefner's a replacement level player and I'd be willing to guess that if he was really needed in 2015, then something bad is happening with the Mets. It would mean that the Mets aren't able to make a starting rotation out of the following pitchers: Harvey, Wheeler, Niese, Gee, Montero, deGrom, Syndergaard, Familia, Meijia, Verrett. Not to mention any other pitchers they trade for or average pitchers they sign to minor league contracts until they need them.
   26. formerly dp Posted: December 03, 2013 at 04:45 PM (#4609861)
#25: That's a legit point-- the Mets really have a need for Hefner in 2014, to the extent that they should be shopping for someone like him this offseason. He got hurt at precisely the wrong time.
   27. Mark S. is bored Posted: December 03, 2013 at 04:50 PM (#4609868)
#25: That's a legit point-- the Mets really have a need for Hefner in 2014, to the extent that they should be shopping for someone like him this offseason. He got hurt at precisely the wrong time.
Yep. If he were healthy, he'd be pencilled in to be a 2014 starter and probably be traded away when the Mets are ready for one of the kids. There was pretty much zero chance he'd be on the team in 2015.

So, if he's not going to be on the team in 2015, then why pay for him in 2014 when he can't do anything for your team.

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