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Monday, June 11, 2018

Mets Release Adrian Gonzalez

The New York Mets have released first baseman Adrian Gonzalez, the team said.

Gonzalez, 36, is making $21.5 million this season on the final year of the seven-year, $154 million deal he signed with the Boston Red Sox in 2011. Since then, he has been traded to the Los Angeles Dodgers, for whom he played more than five seasons, and then to the Braves this offseason. The Mets were on the hook for only $545,000 of Gonzalez’s salary this year.

Chris Fluit Posted: June 11, 2018 at 03:33 PM | 43 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: adrian gonzalez, new york mets, what took so long

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   1. Joe Bivens will never admit, will make some excuse Posted: June 11, 2018 at 06:20 PM (#5689911)
He looked a little chubby.
   2. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: June 11, 2018 at 06:28 PM (#5689915)
To quote the Hawk....A, gone!
   3. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: June 11, 2018 at 06:28 PM (#5689916)
To quote the Hawk....A gone!
   4. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: June 11, 2018 at 06:29 PM (#5689917)
sh*t, the awkward, I'm on holidays in the Czech republic with dodgy internet double post....
   5. Walt Davis Posted: June 11, 2018 at 10:19 PM (#5690033)
I see he's been slumping lately. Still hitting better than Bruce.
   6. Howie Menckel Posted: June 11, 2018 at 11:25 PM (#5690061)
123rd in career HR, 317. tied with George Brett.

154th in career RBI, 1202. trails Will Clark by 3.

259th in Hits, 2050. trails Indian Bob Johnson by 1.

129th in 2B, 437. tied with Jim Edmonds.

strong career, but thought he might rank higher in these categories.

Brett is HOF+HOM, Clark and Edmonds are HOM, and Johnson is one of the all-time leading HOM vote-getters who won't get in.
   7. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 11, 2018 at 11:36 PM (#5690070)
Made $167,746,500 in his career, should enjoy his retirement.
   8. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 11, 2018 at 11:37 PM (#5690072)
Made $167,746,500 in his career, should enjoy his retirement.
That'll buy him a lot of meth and hookers.

Then again, he may not be interested in meth and hookers.
   9. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 12, 2018 at 09:22 AM (#5690210)
Not a great sign for the team's decision-making process when a guy improves his OPS+ by 17 points over the previous season's number, and it's still bad enough that he gets released in mid-June.
   10. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 12, 2018 at 09:53 AM (#5690239)
That'll buy him a lot of meth and hookers.

For $170M he should at least get coke and escorts.
   11. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 12, 2018 at 09:57 AM (#5690243)
Indian Bob Johnson

Indian Bob Johnson was a hell of a ballplayer. If he had reached the bigs at 22 or 23, instead of 27, he'd be in the Hall.
   12. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: June 12, 2018 at 11:36 AM (#5690337)
Not a great sign for the team's decision-making process when a guy improves his OPS+ by 17 points over the previous season's number, and it's still bad enough that he gets released in mid-June.

Meh, he was injured last year and the idea was to see if he had any life left in his bat. It says worse things about the current state of the roster that it took them more than 1/3 of the season to conclude that he was no longer useful.
   13. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 12, 2018 at 11:40 AM (#5690345)
For $170M he should at least get coke and escorts.
But a lot less of them than the meth and hookers.
   14. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: June 12, 2018 at 11:47 AM (#5690353)
123rd in career HR, 317. tied with George Brett.

154th in career RBI, 1202. trails Will Clark by 3.

259th in Hits, 2050. trails Indian Bob Johnson by 1.

129th in 2B, 437. tied with Jim Edmonds.

strong career, but thought he might rank higher in these categories.

Brett is HOF+HOM, Clark and Edmonds are HOM, and Johnson is one of the all-time leading HOM vote-getters who won't get in.


He also has 2 fewer HR than the Fielders, and 2 more than Jeromy Burnitz

He has 10 fewer hits than Wally Joyner and 2 more than Dummy Hoy

He has 5 fewer RBI than Raul Ibanez and 8 more than Ryan Howard

He has 1 more double than Edgar Renteria and 3 fewer than BJ Surhoff

   15. Howie Menckel Posted: June 12, 2018 at 11:51 AM (#5690360)
AdGonz is also No. 175 in OPS+ at 129 along with an interesting collection

Active: Nelson Cruz
HOF: Eddie Murray, Mickey Cochrane, Zack Wheat, Buck Ewing
HOM: Joe Torre, Jimmy Wynn
Moderns: Josh Hamilton, David Justice, John Olerud, Bobby Bonds, Fred Lynn, Bob Watson
Earlier: SidGordon, Riggs Stephenson, John Reilly (AA)

   16. DanG Posted: June 12, 2018 at 12:03 PM (#5690370)
True, AGon lacks both the longevity and the peak that make a hall of famer. However, for a decade he was a durable, consistent, championship-caliber player. His average season from 2006-15 looks like this:

677 PA
28 HR
103 RBI
137 OPS+
.646 OWn%
4.3 WAR
2.2 WAA
6.5 Rfield

He played in 5 ASG and was awarded 4 GG and 2 SS. He had top MVP finishes of 4th-7th-7th-12th.

I'd put him in the Hall before Steve Garvey.
   17. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: June 12, 2018 at 12:20 PM (#5690402)

strong career, but thought he might rank higher in these categories.

I agree. Worth remembering that he played in pitcher's parks nearly his entire career.
   18. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 12, 2018 at 12:21 PM (#5690406)
I'd put him in the Hall before Steve Garvey.

So, he's a "Hall of Good" player? I wouldn't put Garvey in the "Hall of Very Good".
   19. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: June 12, 2018 at 12:54 PM (#5690439)
Dominic Smith is going to get the first shot at first but he has not hit well in AAA. With Alonso playing well in AA, how much rope does Smith get?
   20. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: June 12, 2018 at 12:57 PM (#5690442)
At this point, I'd guess the team isn't in a rush to start his service clock.
   21. DanG Posted: June 12, 2018 at 01:12 PM (#5690460)
So, he's a "Hall of Good" player? I wouldn't put Garvey in the "Hall of Very Good".
JAWS rankings at 1B:

#42 Adrian Gonzalez
#43 Joe Judge
#44 Paul Goldschmidt
#45 Fred Tenney
#46 Bill White
#47 Boog Powell
#48 Dave Foutz
#49 Harry Davis
#50 Steve Garvey
   22. Howie Menckel Posted: June 12, 2018 at 01:38 PM (#5690487)
Mets do not appear eager to bring Alonso up before Sept. they'll try Smith, Flores, and/or Bruce and see what sticks. the rotting corpse of Joey Bats has 28 career games at 1B
   23. Ben V-L Posted: June 12, 2018 at 03:40 PM (#5690596)
He's a very good player, but he's a bit overrated by traditional stats. Ozzie Smith has 290 more career walks.
   24. villainx Posted: June 12, 2018 at 11:29 PM (#5690961)
He also has 2 fewer HR than the Fielders, and 2 more than Jeromy Burnitz

Going off memory, Fielders had MVP winning season(s)?
   25. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: June 12, 2018 at 11:33 PM (#5690962)
Going off memory, Fielders had MVP winning season(s)?


No, why do you ask? Cecil had 2 seconds, Prince had 2 thirds.
   26. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 13, 2018 at 09:40 AM (#5691067)
Meh, he was injured last year and the idea was to see if he had any life left in his bat.


Sure, fine, but he'd only had a 111 OPS+ in the full and healthy age-34 season before that, so if that was the rationale, it still doesn't seem like a particularly high-percentage bet.
   27. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 13, 2018 at 09:43 AM (#5691070)
Sure, fine, but he'd only had a 111 OPS+ in the full and healthy age-34 season before that, so if that was the rationale, it still doesn't seem like a particularly high-percentage bet.

You don't get high % bets for the MLB minimum.
   28. dlf Posted: June 13, 2018 at 10:38 AM (#5691109)
5th best bWAR for an overall #1 pick. Harper, if healthy, will catch him in 3-4 years. I was hoping he'd get the 1000 runs & ribbies mark, but looks to be coming up 3 runs scored short.
   29. formerly dp Posted: June 13, 2018 at 10:54 AM (#5691137)
I don't think the plan was to have A-Gon as the starting 1B--they wanted him as a backup for Dom Smith, to sort of light a fire under him. Smith was hurt for a lot of spring training, so Gonzalez received the bulk of the playing time, and Smith took a lot of time before he was ready. When Smith failed to hit much at Vegas, he didn't do much to pressure them to push A-Gon aside.

That said, the timing is weird, given that Smith was just sort of muddling along at Vegas when they promoted him, and Gonzalez was doing what he had been since the start of the season--hitting a little, then slumping a little. There's currently no timeline for Cespedes to come back, so it looks like Bruce, Conforto, and Nimmo going forward, with Smith and Flores (back soon!) in a platoon at 1B, at least until Cespedes returns and they have some crowding in the OF.

This team is just a mess right now though, really frustrating to watch. Wheeler was solid for five last night before imploding. At some point the offense needs to break out, but with Conforto and bruce slumping, effective zeros from C & SS, and middling production from 1B, it's tough to see how that's going to happen. FWIW Granderson's putting up a 119 OPS+ this year (.240/.364/.435), compared to Bruce's 77 (.220/.298/.332). I understood the decision to sign him with Conforto expected to miss a lot of time at the start of the year, but it seemed like a long-term commitment to solve a short-term problem.
   30. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: June 13, 2018 at 11:14 AM (#5691167)

He'd still be one of the best players on the Orioles.
   31. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: June 13, 2018 at 11:20 AM (#5691176)

sh*t, the awkward, I'm on holidays in the Czech republic with dodgy internet double post....


Hmm, you're in the Czech Republic, saw Moses is in Poland (?), I'm in Spain -- how many BBTF posters are currently abroad?
   32. Howie Menckel Posted: June 13, 2018 at 11:24 AM (#5691182)
how many BBTF posters are currently abroad?

bbchick is one
   33. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 13, 2018 at 11:55 AM (#5691213)
I'm in Iowa, which often feels like a foreign country.
   34. manchestermets Posted: June 13, 2018 at 12:01 PM (#5691222)
how many BBTF posters are currently abroad?


I just got back from Germany on Monday, but by your standards I'm still abroad.

(If you're ever flying within Europe, under no circumstances fly with Eurowings by the way.)
   35. Adam Starblind Posted: June 13, 2018 at 12:44 PM (#5691262)
bbchick is one


*rimshot!*
   36. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 13, 2018 at 12:47 PM (#5691263)
You don't get high % bets for the MLB minimum.


You don't have to be all that high-percentage a bet in order to be a better bet than a 36-year-old with marginal numbers who appears to be in clear physical decline.

Adam Lind is two years younger than Gonzalez, and in better health than Gonzalez, and hit .303/.362/.513 as a part-timer for the Nats last year, and all he got this offseason was a minor league deal with a NRI.
   37. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 13, 2018 at 12:53 PM (#5691265)

Adam Lind is two years younger than Gonzalez, and in better health than Gonzalez, and hit .303/.362/.513 as a part-timer for the Nats last year, and all he got this offseason was a minor league deal with a NRI.


I didn't believe you until I looked it up. What's up with that?
   38. formerly dp Posted: June 13, 2018 at 03:13 PM (#5691434)
You don't have to be all that high-percentage a bet in order to be a better bet than a 36-year-old with marginal numbers who appears to be in clear physical decline.

Adam Lind is two years younger than Gonzalez, and in better health than Gonzalez, and hit .303/.362/.513 as a part-timer for the Nats last year, and all he got this offseason was a minor league deal with a NRI.
IIRC the Mets snagged A-Gon earlier on in the offseason--when Lind was presumably holding out thinking he'd get more. The Mets prob would have preferred Walker or Duda to Gonzalez, but the expectation was that both of these guys would command better money than they ended up settling for.
   39. Swoboda is freedom Posted: June 13, 2018 at 03:28 PM (#5691453)
IIRC the Mets snagged A-Gon earlier on in the offseason--when Lind was presumably holding out thinking he'd get more. The Mets prob would have preferred Walker or Duda to Gonzalez, but the expectation was that both of these guys would command better money than they ended up settling for.

That and with Bruce and Vargas. They moved early, which was a mistake. If they had waited longer, there might have been some better options, as when Frazier fell into their lap.
   40. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: June 13, 2018 at 03:40 PM (#5691463)
But then they might have lost out on all the wonderful things that Bruce and Vargas contribute.
   41. Swoboda is freedom Posted: June 13, 2018 at 03:43 PM (#5691465)
But then they might have lost out on all the wonderful things that Bruce and Vargas contribute.

And not only for this year, but for the next 2 too!!!
   42. Rally Posted: June 13, 2018 at 03:51 PM (#5691474)
I don't think the plan was to have A-Gon as the starting 1B--they wanted him as a backup for Dom Smith, to sort of light a fire under him. Smith was hurt for a lot of spring training, so Gonzalez received the bulk of the playing time, and Smith took a lot of time before he was ready. When Smith failed to hit much at Vegas, he didn't do much to pressure them to push A-Gon aside.


That seems like an odd roster choice for 2018. Both are lefty hitters so you can't platoon. You don't have a DH and both really shouldn't play anywhere except DH (though I see Smith has a few AAA games in the OF). Back in the old days teams had roster space for a regular 1B and a guy who can back up or pinch hit, but in 2018 seems most teams would prefer another short reliever.
   43. formerly dp Posted: June 13, 2018 at 09:08 PM (#5691745)
They signed Vargas in mid February--that's late for a normal off-season. I didn't agree with it at the time, but it's not like they jumped the gun or anything.

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