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Mets’ Steven Matz goes on disabled list | MLB.com

“It’s tough,” Matz said. “But I talked to some guys who have had this procedure done before, and they came back feeling good and it solved their problems. I’m happy that there’s an answer to it.”

Jim Furtado Posted: August 22, 2017 at 08:19 AM | 37 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Lassus Posted: August 22, 2017 at 08:37 AM (#5518309)
2017 didn't QUITE work out as planned.
   2. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: August 22, 2017 at 09:19 AM (#5518327)
The Mets have been so snakebit I even caught Francesa defending them the other day as unlucky due to injury.
   3. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: August 22, 2017 at 09:26 AM (#5518333)
Even this Phillies fan feels some slight sympathy for Mets fans.
   4. Stormy JE Posted: August 22, 2017 at 10:17 AM (#5518387)
Matz would've been more useful this season as a wildling scout north of the Wall.

Just sayin'.
   5. Swoboda is freedom Posted: August 22, 2017 at 11:48 AM (#5518486)
Matz would've been more useful this season as a wildling scout north of the Wall.

Just sayin'.


I think he was right next to Thor when the dragon burned them all up.
   6. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: August 22, 2017 at 12:55 PM (#5518538)
On one hand, it is somewhat comforting that Matz was pitching injured because it would not be a good thing if he were healthy and still sucked. On the other hand, he is going to be 27 years old next year and has yet to pitch 150 innings in a season as a professional.

Can the Mets go into next year with the same rotation and hope that better health will be enough?
   7. Ray (CTL) Posted: August 22, 2017 at 01:09 PM (#5518554)
The Mets have been so snakebit I even caught Francesa defending them the other day as unlucky due to injury.


But we always knew that this was the problem with building a team around the starting rotation. Good young pitchers get hurt. Matz, Harvey, deGrom, Syndergaard, Wheeler........
   8. I Am Merely a Fake Lawyer Posted: August 22, 2017 at 01:12 PM (#5518560)
The entire philosophy around pitchers and health needs a full-on reboot. Helicopter parenting them is manifestly not working and the whole thing smacks entirely of junk science.

A "stress reaction in his shoulder blade"?? Huh??? WTF even is that? Is it a stress fracture? A deep bone bruise?

And not one but two Mets now have them.
   9. Blastin Posted: August 22, 2017 at 01:26 PM (#5518579)
According to a source, Matz consented to multiple pain-killing injections, occasionally on game days, to quell the pain that came along with an elbow that at times swelled to the size of a grapefruit. The pain came and went, though the elbow bothered him mostly between starts.

[...]

One source described a belief by some in the organization that Matz was simply learning to get over the “mental hurdle” of pitching through pain. Indeed, injury has been a constant theme throughout his career.


Yeah this isn't snakebit. This is incompetence.
   10. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: August 22, 2017 at 01:37 PM (#5518592)
So 8 says the Mets are babying him, and 9 says the Mets have run him into the ground. Do I have this right?
   11. Lassus Posted: August 22, 2017 at 01:49 PM (#5518611)
So 8 says the Mets are babying him, and 9 says the Mets have run him into the ground. Do I have this right?

Yes. I'm going with the latter post.
   12. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: August 22, 2017 at 02:10 PM (#5518628)
I'll go with "none of us are in a position to make that determination."
   13. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: August 22, 2017 at 02:10 PM (#5518629)
Lasses, if you are agreeing that it is incompetence, who is the incompetent one? Is it Wilpon? Is it Sandy? Collins? The trainers?

Matz cannot be relied on to pitch more than 100 innings. He is not without talent but he's injury prone.



   14. Lassus Posted: August 22, 2017 at 02:14 PM (#5518633)
I'll go with "none of us are in a position to make that determination."

Fair, but I'm going from previous experience with the posters in question.


Collins? The trainers?

Some variation of 85% the latter, 15% the former.
   15. PreservedFish Posted: August 22, 2017 at 02:16 PM (#5518636)
I'm with #12.
   16. Stormy JE Posted: August 22, 2017 at 02:18 PM (#5518639)
I'm with #32.
   17. Lassus Posted: August 22, 2017 at 02:22 PM (#5518644)
I'm with #12.

I suppose, but #8 might suggest next that Matz wasn't pitching to the score, so I'll stick with the greater likelihood of Blastin being correct.
   18. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 22, 2017 at 02:29 PM (#5518649)
I'll go with "none of us are in a position to make that determination."


If a guy's elbow really is "the size of a grapefruit", he probably shouldn't be pitching.
   19. I Am Merely a Fake Lawyer Posted: August 22, 2017 at 02:32 PM (#5518651)
I'm with Her.
   20. PreservedFish Posted: August 22, 2017 at 02:34 PM (#5518652)

If a guy's elbow really is "the size of a grapefruit", he probably shouldn't be pitching.


I don't even feel comfortable saying that. Maybe Randy Johnson's elbow went grapefruit sized after every one of his zillions starts. I don't ###### know.
   21. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: August 22, 2017 at 02:36 PM (#5518655)
If a guy's elbow really is "the size of a grapefruit", he probably shouldn't be pitching.

Perhaps, but I suspect the doctors with close access to Matz are in a much better position to make that judgment than any of us. Maybe, based on everything they knew, they came to the conclusion that it might be uncomfortable for him, but that Matz' condition was unlikely to be exacerbated by continued pitching. Or maybe Mets' ownership strong-armed them into OKing him for action against their better judgment. Or maybe they are just incompetent. None of us knows.
   22. Blastin Posted: August 22, 2017 at 02:43 PM (#5518659)
Or maybe Mets' ownership strong-armed them into OKing him for action against their better judgment. Or maybe they are just incompetent


The first part of this I did not consider.
   23. Tin Angel Posted: August 22, 2017 at 02:49 PM (#5518664)
Maybe Alderson simply said "Either you pitch or you watch the rest of the season sitting with the Wilpons."
   24. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 22, 2017 at 03:10 PM (#5518681)
Can the Mets go into next year with the same rotation and hope that better health will be enough?

Hope doesn't cost anything, so, sure, the Mets could try that. Most teams would want to add some pitching depth, and you'd think the Mets would at least add some low-cost arms and hope to get lucky.
   25. Stormy JE Posted: August 22, 2017 at 03:18 PM (#5518683)
BartoLOLo will be available.
   26. ??'s Biggest Fan! Posted: August 22, 2017 at 03:21 PM (#5518686)
you'd think the Mets would at least add some low-cost arms and hope to get lucky.

Not that they would ever do it following this past trading deadline, but a Ellsbury/Headley/Plus all the salary relief the Mets wants for a couple of low A lottery tickets might be the best thing for both teams in NYC. The Mets gets cost controlled vets at third and centerfield for next to nothing and enough salary room to sign a starter in the off season. The Yankees gets two guys off their 40-man and open up spots at the majors for younger players.
   27. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 22, 2017 at 03:23 PM (#5518688)
Perhaps, but I suspect the doctors with close access to Matz are in a much better position to make that judgment than any of us.


Maybe, but not necessarily. Some teams' medical staffs are just #######, and that's all there is to it.

E.g.: During the Littlefied/Bonifay eras on the Pirates, you saw #### like Clayton Hamilton pitching with a broken rib (which ended up having to be surgically removed) for an entire year because the medical staff misdiagnosed it as an oblique strain, or J.R. House blowing out his elbow because he had to alter his throwing motion to deal with two years' worth of un-addressed shoulder pain (eventually diagnosed as a torn rotator cuff, a 70% tear of the labrum, and friction-related bone damage to the shoulder socket), and Pat Meares being re-inserted into the lineup at a time when he was physically unable to close his injured hand around the handle of a bat.
   28. PreservedFish Posted: August 22, 2017 at 03:43 PM (#5518700)
How'd that Pat Meares thing work out?
   29. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 22, 2017 at 03:53 PM (#5518704)
How'd that Pat Meares thing work out?


It turns out that a Pat Meares who's swinging the bat one-handed is slightly worse than one who's using both arms.

Unfortunate.
   30. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: August 22, 2017 at 04:40 PM (#5518754)

Matz has gotten repeatedly injured throughout his career basically from the day he was drafted. I'm not sure how much I put that on the Mets' medical staff. However, I do worry about the frequency of lat/scapula injuries and thoracic outlet syndrome or whatever it's called that seem to have affected the pitching staff in recent years. To me that may be a sign that they are doing something wrong in their basic training regimen. I was worried when Thor came into spring training bragging about how much muscle he had added.
   31. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: August 22, 2017 at 04:48 PM (#5518760)

So 8 says the Mets are babying him, and 9 says the Mets have run him into the ground. Do I have this right?


The points can be resolved. Perhaps #8 is referring to the development of the pitcher and when asked to pitch in MLB every fifth day, the pitcher's body isn't prepared because of the babying in the minors. #9 also could be true. Pain is a sign of some injury and swelling to the size of a grapefruit is not good.
   32. RMc Has Bizarre Ideas to Fix Baseball Posted: August 22, 2017 at 07:34 PM (#5518886)
I'm with #32.

Gee, thanks!
   33. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 22, 2017 at 08:10 PM (#5518916)
swelling to the size of a grapefruit is not good


Unless you're a grapefruit, of course.
   34. Captain Supporter Posted: August 22, 2017 at 08:35 PM (#5518937)
All Met injuries are the fault of the Met medical staff according to the many doctors that apparently frequent this site. And does anyone really believe that they let Matz pitch with an elbow the size of a grapefruit? Use some sense, and don't take the word of reporters of questionable integrity who are desperate for stories and base them on anonymous sources.
   35. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 22, 2017 at 10:59 PM (#5519096)
I see David Wright started a rehab assignment with St. Lucie tonight: 0-for-4. Apparently there wasn't enough time before the game for Tim Tebow to lay hands on him, but he should be good to go by tomorrow.
   36. Lassus Posted: August 22, 2017 at 11:13 PM (#5519112)
Maybe, but not necessarily. Some teams' medical staffs are just #######, and that's all there is to it.

I had a similar discussion about voice teachers today.
   37. Blastin Posted: August 23, 2017 at 10:18 AM (#5519243)
reporters of questionable integrity


What was it like speaking in Arizona yesterday?

(Sorry, I know it's not OTP, but, jeez.)

They routinely send Collins out to say things they contradict the next day. Something is rotten in the org.

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