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Saturday, May 30, 2009

Mets trade Ramon Castro to White Sox

Within a week…even Leiber and Stoller will be sick of this trade.

The Mets traded catcher Ramon Castro to the White Sox in exchange for right-handed pitcher Lance Broadway after their 2-1 win over the Marlins on Friday.

The Mets will pay a portion of Castro’s remaining salary.

The trade satisfies the Mets’ dilemma at catcher, where with the impending return of Brian Schneider, the team had three players for two spots. Omir Santos, who started the season in the Minors, had apparently passed Castro on the depth chart—an ascension reaffirmed when Santos drove in both Mets runs, including the game-winner in the 11th, on Friday.

“On a night like tonight when Omir Santos plays the way he did, it makes the decision easier,” said general manager Omar Minaya after the game.

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   1. HowardMegdal Posted: May 30, 2009 at 04:30 AM (#3199761)
Boo. See Mark DeRosa thread for why, despite a walk-off win, I go to bed unhappy.
   2. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: May 30, 2009 at 04:45 AM (#3199767)
Ramon Castro was a very productive player for the Mets and he really is more talented than a lot of starters in this league. He seems really unlucky (karma?) baseball-wise in that he every time he has had a chance to be a starter, something comes up. Sometimes it's a manager that doesn't like him, a HOFer unexpectedly becoming available, or injuries. There's an alternate universe in which Castro has a career where he makes a couple all-star teams.

The Mets probably have become an easier team to like for some fans so that's a bonus but this could be a move that blows up in the Mets face. There's been some talk that the pitchers don't like working with him but I don't think the numbers back that notion up. I can't say I like this move. Broadway isn't an upgrade to anyone on the Mets pitching staff so he'll probably just be stashed away in the minors.

Omar traded a Latino for a guy named Lance. Is that even legal?
   3. Lassus Posted: May 30, 2009 at 04:50 AM (#3199769)
I would have preferred someone seemingly more useful than Lance Broadway, that's for sure.
   4. Devin has a deep burning passion for fuzzy socks Posted: May 30, 2009 at 04:50 AM (#3199770)
I'm not happy with this, but I've been expecting it for about a month, so I've had time to adjust. Good luck Ramon.
   5. CraigK Posted: May 30, 2009 at 04:59 AM (#3199775)
I assume this would be the thread to ask: did anyone else see Jon Stewart at tonight's game? I swear I saw him in the front row in a green shirt. I saw him momentarily in the MLB Network clip, but I assume that someone that watched the whole game would have saw him.
   6. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: May 30, 2009 at 05:06 AM (#3199778)
I don't necessaily hate Santos. He is pretty good defensively and doesn't look like a complete idiot defensively. Maybe he could be a decent backup catcher and Castro was only signed for the rest of the year. In a different situation where the Mets were rebuilding, finding out if Santos could hack it as a backup might not be bad thing. But not for this team.

BTW, Jefry Marte hit two homers today. The sad thing is that he raised his OPS to .556.
   7. Lassus Posted: May 30, 2009 at 05:08 AM (#3199779)
I saw him momentarily in the MLB Network clip, but I assume that someone that watched the whole game would have saw him.

Why not ask me? I was AT the game.

Well?

OK, no, I didn't see him.
   8. The Keith Law Blog Blah Blah (battlekow) Posted: May 30, 2009 at 05:14 AM (#3199781)
He is pretty good defensively and doesn't look like a complete idiot defensively.

Yes, but how is he defensively?
   9. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: May 30, 2009 at 05:17 AM (#3199782)
Yes, but how is he defensively?

Kinda sucks, actually.
   10. twon8 Posted: May 30, 2009 at 05:17 AM (#3199783)
I hate this move and predict it will lead to Robinson Cancel being our starting catcher sometime before September.
   11. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: May 30, 2009 at 05:22 AM (#3199786)
I meant that he doesn't look like a complete idiot as a hitter. He does have a .780 OPS this season but there's not a lot in his minor record that suggests that he can post a .650 OPS in the majors.
   12. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: May 30, 2009 at 05:31 AM (#3199793)
Let's forget about this trade for a moment and talk about Mike Pelfrey. He has a 3.39 ERA in his 32 starts. He has done most of that good work by not walking anybody and keeping the ball in the ballpark but he has struck out 6 batters in two consecutive starts, against the Red Sox and the Marlins (a team that kills him generally although no Hanley tonight). He struggled to start the season because of tenditis but has been outstanding of late. I am getting really excited about him.
   13. Lassus Posted: May 30, 2009 at 05:33 AM (#3199796)
His only damn walk of the game was on his last batter, too. I don't remember if he got robbed on anything there by Angel.
   14. Howie Menckel Posted: May 30, 2009 at 05:34 AM (#3199799)
Castro doesn't exactly inspire his managers with his attitude.

watching both, Castro may be the better play but you can see that he'd get frustrating to manage.

I won't tout many observed "Santos intangibles" because of a short body of work and he may hit .190 in the next 6 weeks.

But am I surprised by this?
No
   15. baudib Posted: May 30, 2009 at 05:56 AM (#3199806)
I'll take Todd Pratt's alternative universe career over Castro's.

It'd have been nice if they could have gotten someone who might project to help them.
   16. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: May 30, 2009 at 06:11 AM (#3199811)
Props to the Mets for getting rid of the rapist, and boo to the White Sox for picking him up.
   17. depletion Posted: May 30, 2009 at 06:14 AM (#3199812)
Didn't Ramon let it slip out this spring that he would rather not play so often? Maybe he made a ChicoRuizesque "bench me or trade me" ultimatim. We're all waiting for Omir Santos return to earth, but we should be digging it while it's happening.
   18. depletion Posted: May 30, 2009 at 06:24 AM (#3199818)
Vlad: he pled guilty to indecent assualt, which is not rape. What do you know that the D.A.'s office doesn't?
   19. Steve Sparks Flying Everywhere Posted: May 30, 2009 at 06:26 AM (#3199819)
Does this mean the Corky Miller era is over in Chicago?
   20. Swedish Chef Posted: May 30, 2009 at 06:33 AM (#3199820)
Vlad: he pled guilty to indecent assualt, which is not rape. What do you know that the D.A.'s office doesn't?

What kind of people if not rapists commit indecent assault?
   21. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: May 30, 2009 at 08:05 AM (#3199832)
I still don't believe Santos hit a HR off of Papelbon.
   22. Raskolnikov Posted: May 30, 2009 at 09:09 AM (#3199834)
Bad trade. Mets are deficient at C.
   23. The Wilpons Must Go (Tom D) Posted: May 30, 2009 at 11:17 AM (#3199840)
I was thinking last night that Santos and Castro could be a decent 1-2 punch. Castro may not be that durable, but he's been the Mets best catcher over the past few years. Schneider adds little.
   24. Benji Posted: May 30, 2009 at 12:29 PM (#3199851)
I thought they would have gotten more for Castro than Lance Broadway, but you had to know Manuel resented the "I don't want to play every day" stuff and didn't want him around. And I might get beat up with this, but Schneider/Santos IMO is better than Ruiz/Coste, and that's their top rival. Because the odds of Ruiz's OPS staying at .840 is roughly the same as mine.
   25. AJMcCringleberry Posted: May 30, 2009 at 12:33 PM (#3199852)
the team had three players for two spots

And the obvious response is to trade the best player for a crappy middle reliever.
   26. Sexy Lizard Posted: May 30, 2009 at 12:48 PM (#3199857)
I think it's safe to say that the White Sox now have the least likeable catching tandem in baseball, by a very wide margin.
   27. Raskolnikov Posted: May 30, 2009 at 12:51 PM (#3199859)
Too bad Broadway can't pitch. Can you imagine the headlines and nicknames we could come up with for him?
   28. Darren Posted: May 30, 2009 at 01:03 PM (#3199866)
If we're expanding the discussion, we could talk about how very wrong I've been about Sheffield so far. Nah. Or how the Mets' best trade chit is probably Murphy.
   29. Hubie Brooks (Not Really) Posted: May 30, 2009 at 01:16 PM (#3199869)
Casro had to go, he has more talent then Omir, but changing the culture of the team is important. We need some hunger.


Who will put bubblegum on people hats?
   30. Raskolnikov Posted: May 30, 2009 at 01:18 PM (#3199870)
we could talk about how very wrong I've been about Sheffield so far.

We all have been to some extent or another. He's the Mets response to the Phils' Ibanez.

I don't think we should trade Murphy. Nor do I think that he's particularly valuable right now.

I would say our most valuable trade chip is either Parnell or Putz, followed by either Mejia or Holt.
   31. villainx Posted: May 30, 2009 at 01:25 PM (#3199874)
Mets fans want to hijack a Mets thread?
   32. Win one for Agrippa (haplo53) Posted: May 30, 2009 at 01:30 PM (#3199878)
Bad trade. Mets are deficient at C.


I dunno, with Valentin and to a lesser extent Cancel at AAA, I think it's one area where they actually have some OK depth.

Castro's a better player than Schneider; they're both terrible defenders at this point. I'm curious to see how much $$$$ the Mets save with this deal.
   33. HowardMegdal Posted: May 30, 2009 at 02:05 PM (#3199887)
Castro's a better player than Schneider; they're both terrible defenders at this point. I'm curious to see how much $$$$ the Mets save with this deal.

None. They pay $1.4 million to make this ridiculous mistake.

I will say that I like Javier Valentin a lot, and he is mashing at Triple-A. They could have had Valentin and Castro, had they been primarily concerned with putting the best players on the field.

Look, I can now root wholeheartedly for Santos to succeed. It was hard the last couple of weeks, because while I wanted him to succeed, I knew if he did in this short time frame, it would push the Mets to do something ill-conceived.
   34. I Am Not a Number Posted: May 30, 2009 at 02:25 PM (#3199893)
There is something incredibly cartoonish about a guy named Lance Broadway playing in New York. Does he make the ladies swoon?
   35. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: May 30, 2009 at 02:33 PM (#3199896)
I'm having trouble caring one way or another about Ramon Castro. I guess a guy who doesn't want to play every day is the perfect backup for Pierzynski. I guess he's an upgrade on Corky Miller, but does upgrading your backup catcher really make a big difference when the starter is going 5 games a week?

Not that Lance Broadway is a big loss, either. I guess the appropriate reaction is "meh".
   36. Sam M. Posted: May 30, 2009 at 02:55 PM (#3199904)
There is something incredibly cartoonish about a guy named Lance Broadway playing in New York. Does he make the ladies swoon?

Well, he certainly makes the gay Mets' fan swoon. (Click on the fourth picture . . . .)

As for the trade generally, my reaction is basically Dewey's: I'm having trouble caring one way or another about Ramon Castro. He was a great big "might have been" for the Mets, and to worry about trading this guy is just bizarre to me. Look:

1) His future with the Mets is limited to whatever percentage of 115 games he would have played. Maybe -- maybe -- 65 games.

2) With his history of injuries, the odds he wouldn't have missed half of THOSE (or more) weren't all that good anyway.

3) There were enough strong hints coming from the club -- including the unofficial megaphone of the pitching staff, Ron Darling -- that the pitchers strongly prefer NOT pitching to him that I am inclined to believe that the defensive side of this was a lot more important to the decision than the offense. Of course, no one was going to say anything overt as long as Castro was on the team, but you could read between the lines. And you can certainly tell from the fact the Mets were willing to pay the White Sox $1.4M to take Castro and take Lance Broadway in return that they strongly feel Santos is the better bet. And that ain't because of his bat, folks.

Bottom line: what has Ramon Castro ever actually DONE for the Mets, as opposed to what you hoped he MIGHT do, that will make you miss him? He's had more than 157 PAs in a season for the Mets exactly ONCE, and that time it was only 240. Sorry, that's not a player I'm going to worry about.
   37. Freeballin' (Tales of Met Power) Posted: May 30, 2009 at 03:08 PM (#3199912)
I agree - a great big who cares.
   38. Sam M. Posted: May 30, 2009 at 03:10 PM (#3199913)
This, for example, is more important than the difference between Ramon Castro and Omir Santos:

More good news on the injury front: backup infielder Alex Cora started his rehab assignment at Triple-A Buffalo yesterday and could rejoin the Mets as soon as he is eligible June 2.

Cora was placed on the disabled list on May 18 because of a torn ligament in his right thumb.


The difference between having Alex Cora as the Mets' back-up middle infielder and Ramon Martinez is bigger than the difference between Castro/Schneider and Santos/Schneider. Cora's presence allows Reyes to get healthy without rushing back. When Reyes is back, he allows Castillo not to be overplayed into rickety exhaustion. And he adds another bat who can get on base to the line-up.
   39. Raskolnikov Posted: May 30, 2009 at 03:19 PM (#3199920)
Sam, it's possible but again, we're playing with small sample sizes here. It's not so unlikely that Schneider will be DL'ed again with his bad back. Meanwhile Santos reverts to .150/.200/.300 and we're all miserable with the black hole at C. Castro was the one reliable stick among the three and now he's gone. This move could come back and bite the Mets arse.
   40. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: May 30, 2009 at 03:29 PM (#3199924)
What kind of people if not rapists commit indecent assault?


To be fair, he pleaded no contest to misdemeanor indecent assault. I don't know the circumstances of the case, though.
   41. JPWF13 Posted: May 30, 2009 at 04:07 PM (#3199948)
He seems really unlucky (karma?) baseball-wise in that he every time he has had a chance to be a starter, something comes up. Sometimes it's a manager that doesn't like him, a HOFer unexpectedly becoming available, or injuries.


ahem...
an incident others are mentioning was what screwed up his best clear shot at a starting job
- and that was self-inflicted
   42. asinwreck Posted: May 30, 2009 at 04:34 PM (#3199956)
Corky Miller was designated for assignment about two nanoseconds after this trade was announced. Castro immediately becomes the best backup catcher the Sox have had this century, and Lance Broadway gets a chance to see if throwing to the opposing pitcher in Citi Field makes him look adequate.

If Castro can stay healthy, the Sox may have him caddy for Tyler Flowers in either 2010 or 2011. There are worse plans (like having Ben Davis on a major league roster).
   43. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: May 30, 2009 at 04:38 PM (#3199961)
Castro is only signed for the rest of the season so the Chisox would have to re-sign him.
   44. asinwreck Posted: May 30, 2009 at 04:46 PM (#3199967)
Barring a lot of playing time over the next four months, I imagine Castro's next contract will not be a budget buster, and the Sox get to see how well he works with the pitchers, how well he hits, and what his conditioning issues are. Herm Schneider has a good track record of working with fragile players, so that may have factored into Kenny Williams's thinking when he made the trade.
   45. Sam M. Posted: May 30, 2009 at 04:50 PM (#3199968)
Here's what BA had to say about Broadway back when the White Sox picked him # 15 in the first round of the 2005 draft out of TCU:

Broadway succeeds more with polish than overwhelming stuff. His fastball is just average, but he has a plus curveball that he can locate in and out of the strike zone. His delivery and command are solid, and his makeup is a huge asset. He's developing a changeup and is gaining more confidence in the pitch. He has a strong, lean frame and there may be a little more velocity in him.

If you look at his numbers, he seems to have made a nice improvement in his command in 2008, when he cut his walk rate almost in half (from 4.5 BB/9 IP to 2.7), pitching in the same league he had in 2007.

I don't know. Twenty-five year old pitcher with a good curveball. Could still develop into something moderately useful. God knows Buffalo could use him.
   46. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: May 30, 2009 at 04:56 PM (#3199972)
Since you asked: my buddy the cop said it was a pretty clear and unambiguous rape, but the DA let Castro plead it down because the victim (understandably) didn't want to have to go into open court and describe being raped and have the defense attorney try to paint her as a slut who asked for it or whatever. So yeah, he's a rapist.
   47. My guest will be Jermaine Allensworth Posted: May 30, 2009 at 05:07 PM (#3199979)
If you look at his numbers, he seems to have made a nice improvement in his command in 2008, when he cut his walk rate almost in half (from 4.5 BB/9 IP to 2.7), pitching in the same league he had in 2007.

But then his home run rate jumped.

I think any hope for Broadway lies in his ability to improve his two-seamer. He can't stay above 90 with his four-seamer.
   48. Sam M. Posted: May 30, 2009 at 05:10 PM (#3199982)
But then his home run rate jumped.

Sounds like the perfect Citifield pitcher! Pitches to contact, and everybody hits fly balls off this guy, and they go out of every park but his home field.

Omar's a mad genius, I tell you!!!
   49. Ignatius J. Reilly Posted: May 30, 2009 at 05:21 PM (#3199995)
I'd just like to note that Kenny Williams is said to be searching for "front line pitching." Javy Vazquez has given the Braves 64 innings of 113 ERA+ ball. Noticed that, Kenny?
   50. My guest will be Jermaine Allensworth Posted: May 30, 2009 at 05:26 PM (#3200003)
Noticed that, Kenny?

Sure. He also noticed that Tyler Flowers is hitting .436/.451 in one of the toughest parks for hitters in Double-A.
   51. Ignatius J. Reilly Posted: May 30, 2009 at 05:48 PM (#3200032)
I like Flowers as much as anyone, but he won't stick as a full-time catcher. He's Craig Wilson (the good version).

Moreover, Kenny isn't getting two years of a "front-line" pitcher for Flowers and the magic beans that came along with him from the Braves.
   52. asinwreck Posted: May 30, 2009 at 05:54 PM (#3200037)
Javy Vazquez + The Cell = Big Inning Meltdowns With 3-Run Home Runs. He's better off starting half his games in Turner Field.
   53. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: May 30, 2009 at 05:54 PM (#3200038)
He might. He very nearly did with Peavy, didn't he?
   54. Stately, Plump Buck Mulligan Posted: May 30, 2009 at 05:55 PM (#3200039)
I'd just like to note that Kenny Williams is said to be searching for "front line pitching." Javy Vazquez has given the Braves 64 innings of 113 ERA+ ball. Noticed that, Kenny?


I didn't like the Vazquez trade, and still don't, but that's a little unfair.

1. 64 innings is a pretty small sample size.

2. We all know that Vazquez can be good (that is, has the skills to be good). But we also all know that he hasn't figured out how to be consistently good (hence the 131-133 career record). If Vazquez finishes this year with an ERA+ above 100, that would be great, but it would also be just the second time he's done so since 2003. His full-season ERA+ numbers from 2004-2008: 92, 100, 98, 127, 98. With Vazquez, about 1/4 to 1/3 of the time, you're going to get a great pitcher; the rest of the time, not so much.

3. Vazquez's real strength is that he throws a boatload of innings. His real weakness -- at least, according to Ozzie, and his performance down the stretch last year -- is that he can't pitch in big games. Is Ozzie wrong about this? Maybe. I certainly wish he had kept his mouth shut about it -- that would have meant that they could have kept Vazquez, or possibly traded him for more. But asking Ozzie to keep his mouth shut is easier said than done.
   55. My guest will be Jermaine Allensworth Posted: May 30, 2009 at 05:57 PM (#3200045)
Moreover, Kenny isn't getting two years of a "front-line" pitcher for Flowers and the magic beans that came along with him from the Braves.

You're drawing the wrong conclusion. They had Vazquez for three years. He didn't approach "front-line" pitcherdom for two years. They decided to move on, and got a decent return.

If they had Vazquez, he could've easily been the same sub-.500, sub-100 ERA+ pitcher he was for the Sox (league change might've done him good), and they'd still be looking for a "front-line" starter with $10 million less to work with.

Vazquez really turded it up when they needed him last year. That's not exactly "front-line."
   56. Ignatius J. Reilly Posted: May 30, 2009 at 06:23 PM (#3200070)
Turner v. the Cell and National v. American League are immaterial in terms of ERA+

However, I did believe that getting Vazquez out of Chicago and into Bobby Cox's clubhouse would be a good thing. I've had a number of problems with Bobby over the last couple years, but he and Javy have always had a mutual admiration and I think its the right environment in which for Vazquez to prosper.

I concede that Chicago may not have been the place for Javy to maximize his potential, but sending away a pitcher who at worst is gonna give 200 IP of league averagish performance in return for a guy who most impartial observers think is not gonna stick at catcher and some marginal prospects AND then just two months into the next season make it obvious to everyone that you're going after pitching seems short-sighted.
   57. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: May 30, 2009 at 06:30 PM (#3200085)
Since you asked: my buddy the cop said it was a pretty clear and unambiguous rape, but the DA let Castro plead it down because the victim (understandably) didn't want to have to go into open court and describe being raped and have the defense attorney try to paint her as a slut who asked for it or whatever. So yeah, he's a rapist.


Hrm. Another example of our fine legal system at work?
   58. My guest will be Jermaine Allensworth Posted: May 30, 2009 at 06:33 PM (#3200093)
...make it obvious to everyone that you're going after pitching seems short-sighted.

But they're not in dire need of it. They just happened to shed a lot of money this year, have a ton of money coming off the books next year, and think they can find a bargain.

It's obvious now, only after he surprised the hell out of everybody by arranging a trade for Peavy. He'll go back under the radar soon enough.
   59. zfan Posted: May 30, 2009 at 06:38 PM (#3200101)
...certainly makes the gay Mets' fan swoon...

...his makeup is a huge asset...


From the pic Sam linked, it looks like he goes for the clean skin look, none of that theatrical pancake. Whatever works.
   60. Barry Gibb Posted: May 30, 2009 at 06:39 PM (#3200103)
I think the point here is that K. Williams hinged the hopes of the season, in a weak AL Central on 4/5 of a starting staff with Danks, who had seen a total of 140 innings in his major league career before last year. Floyd, who had seen very little major league success before last year. And a resurgence of a 36 year old Colon and a 37 year old Contreras, which is pretty wishful.

Obviously, you know what you're gonna get from Buehrle. Assuming one of the two youngsters struggles and having no idea what Colon and Contreras have left, having a consistent innings eater and K machine like Vazquez would lend to some success. And getting the return that they got on Vazquez and seeing what he's doing in Atlanta, Kenny has gotta a little perturbed at Ozzie for pushing Javy out. Granted, he probably needed a league change because if you just look at the splits from NL to AL it's obvious, but getting Flowers, who is destined for 1B or DH, Lillibridge, who really only provides defense at this point, and Gilmore who is little more than a throw in, it's farely easy to point out the winner of this trade.
   61. Kiko Sakata Posted: May 30, 2009 at 06:53 PM (#3200128)
I think the point here is that K. Williams hinged the hopes of the season, in a weak AL Central


I think that Williams decided that 2009 was a good opportunity to step back and re-tool for 2010 and beyond. The middle of the lineup - Dye, Thome, Konerko - is very old and very limited defensively (relatively speaking), as is A.J. So he took the opportunity to bring in Flowers (and Lillibridge) after bringing in Quentin last year and he left spots open for Getz, Fields, and maybe Anderson to show what they can do. In terms of pitching, Colon and Contreras give a little depth but still leave open the chance to work in some young starters to see if they can make the jump - as Richard appears to have done. So now they go into 2010 with a potentially solid, and relatively young, front 4 of Buerhle, Danks, Floyd, and Richard. If Getz and Fields work out, that frees Kenny up to work on replacing the old guys on offense.

Meanwhile, 2009 is a good season to do something like this (which, if it doesn't work out, produces a 65-70 win season) precisely because the AL Central is weak, and also because the White Sox have residual goodwill built up among their fanbase from having won their division last season.
   62. My guest will be Jermaine Allensworth Posted: May 30, 2009 at 07:01 PM (#3200135)
Bingo, Kiko.

There's no doubt the Braves did well to fill a much-needed hole, but the Sox are getting what they need out of it, too, at this point.
   63. baudib Posted: May 30, 2009 at 07:17 PM (#3200151)
I'm going to try to re-hijack this into a Mets thread.

A. Does Omar see ANYTHING in Broadway? Looking at the numbers and his history, there's nothing to like about him. Did he just start calling around and tell GMs, "Um, can you give me anything for Castro?"
B. With the Mets in first place, despite all their injuries, is the team now displaying sufficient grit? Santos does, indeed, seem gritty.
C. I'm happy that Jerry defended Fernando. I'm excited that he has two hits today.
   64. base ball chick Posted: May 30, 2009 at 07:37 PM (#3200167)
baudib Posted: May 30, 2009 at 03:17 PM (#3200151)


A. Does Omar see ANYTHING in Broadway?

- well, who knows, but let me tell you that sam and i DEFINITELY do. lance is mmmmm mmmmmmmm GOOOOOOOOOOOOD

you know that boy's a texan and i sure wouldn't mind meeting him and, um, pressing the flesh....
   65. Barry Gibb Posted: May 30, 2009 at 08:05 PM (#3200184)
I think that Williams decided that 2009 was a good opportunity to step back and re-tool for 2010 and beyond

So re-tooling means trading Richard, Poreda, and other parts for Peavy, after trading Vazquez for Flowers, Lillibridge, and Gilmore. After winning the division and seemingly having the right pieces to compete again, why wouldn't they have one more go with the parts they had. They could have dealt Vazquez this coming offseason if he came up "unclutch" again, with still a year left on his deal.
   66. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: May 30, 2009 at 08:11 PM (#3200191)
After winning the division and seemingly having the right pieces to compete again, why wouldn't they have one more go with the parts they had.

Last year was the "one more go with the pieces we have" year - this is essentially a rebuilding year.
   67. Kiko Sakata Posted: May 30, 2009 at 08:13 PM (#3200195)
So re-tooling means trading Richard, Poreda, and other parts for Peavy, after trading Vazquez for Flowers, Lillibridge, and Gilmore.


That nets you a better starter who's four years younger along with a top-flight catching prospect. How is that not re-tooling?
   68. akrasian Posted: May 30, 2009 at 08:14 PM (#3200198)
Peavy's contract runs for a while - trading for him is consistent with retooling for 2010. And getting young players for a pitcher you don't trust to produce consistently at a good level makes sense, even if you later turn around and trade prospects for an ace.
   69. The District Attorney Posted: May 30, 2009 at 08:24 PM (#3200204)
Does Omar see ANYTHING in Broadway? Looking at the numbers and his history, there's nothing to like about him. Did he just start calling around and tell GMs, "Um, can you give me anything for Castro?"
Probably. I mean, TFI quotes Omar as implying Santos' performance last night factored into the decision. If that is true, then obviously a trade was arranged extremely quickly.

well, who knows, but let me tell you that sam and i DEFINITELY do. lance is mmmmm mmmmmmmm GOOOOOOOOOOOOD
Maybe they're setting up a Wright trade ;)
   70. Danny Posted: May 30, 2009 at 08:28 PM (#3200207)
Anything can be retooling if you never define the term.
   71. Kiko Sakata Posted: May 30, 2009 at 08:35 PM (#3200212)
Anything can be retooling if you never define the term.


My point (and I really don't know if you're criticizing me here or not) was that Kenny's focus this offseason and this season has been on optimizing for 2010 - 2011. Trading Vazquez for Flowers gets you there because Vazquez is getting older and Flowers gives you youth to replace A.J. Trading Richard/Poreda for Peavy gets you there because Peavy is a much better pitcher and he's under contract for like 4 more years. And when you put them together, the consistency becomes, in my opinion, more obvious: you net out a better, younger pitcher (who's signed longer) and you get prospects, particularly a very good one at a position of need, on top of that.

As Dewey pointed out, 2008 was a "last hurrah" sort of run. If you keep trying to squeeze out one more "last hurrah" eventually it's all going to come crashing down and you're left with a crappy old team and no prospects coming through the pipeline.

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