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Wednesday, February 15, 2017

Mets’ Zack Wheeler feels tenderness in elbow | MLB.com

Nevertheless, it’s not a promising first day.

Mets pitcher Zack Wheeler, who has spent nearly two full years attempting to return from Tommy John surgery, felt some “tenderness” in his elbow during a routine bullpen session earlier this week, according to pitching coach Dan Warthen. The Mets have briefly paused Wheeler’s throwing program as a result.

Warthen was quick to add that he does not consider this a setback for Wheeler, because a routine physical exam taken Monday revealed no structural damage. The team believes Wheeler’s discomfort stems from scar tissue that formed in his elbow following a platelet-rich plasma injection last August. The club also hopes Wheeler can play catch Thursday and return to a mound as soon as Friday.

Jim Furtado Posted: February 15, 2017 at 06:57 PM | 29 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: mets, zach wheeler

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   1. Howie Menckel Posted: February 15, 2017 at 11:09 PM (#5402680)
so much for him as the fifth Wheel
   2. The Yankee Clapper Posted: February 15, 2017 at 11:13 PM (#5402683)
Not great news for Wheeler, but he may be OK. Far more ominous for the Mets is the very public feud between two of the Mets biggest stars. Looks like a woman is in the middle of the dispute. Team chemistry may be overrated, but this might not end well.
   3. Cargo Cultist Posted: February 15, 2017 at 11:34 PM (#5402685)
Reyes and now this. It's been a crappy couple of days for pitcher's elbows
   4. Bote Man Posted: February 15, 2017 at 11:46 PM (#5402689)
I don't know, I always liked Tenderness, if you can get over the pop aspect.
   5. Walt Davis Posted: February 16, 2017 at 12:04 AM (#5402694)
Warthen was quick to add that he does not consider this a setback for Wheeler

His elbow is just pinin' for the fjords.
   6. Lassus Posted: February 16, 2017 at 12:10 AM (#5402697)
Donezo.
   7. vortex of dissipation Posted: February 16, 2017 at 02:27 AM (#5402712)
I don't know, I always liked Tenderness, if you can get over the pop aspect.


A great song.
   8. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: February 16, 2017 at 09:05 AM (#5402735)
I was completely unaware of the Mr. Met and Thor feud. That's fun.
   9. Stormy JE Posted: February 16, 2017 at 09:19 AM (#5402738)
Does this mean Wheeler's not in the best shape of his life?
   10. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 16, 2017 at 10:16 AM (#5402774)
Shoulda re-signed Colon.
   11. Russ Posted: February 16, 2017 at 10:18 AM (#5402776)
Reyes and now this. It's been a crappy couple of days for pitcher's elbows


Every day is a crappy day for pitcher's elbows. Evolution does not apply to throwing spheroids with torque at extremely high velocities. The arms were broken, they were always broken.
   12. Stormy JE Posted: February 16, 2017 at 10:23 AM (#5402782)
Shoulda re-signed Colon.
They did want to re-sign Colon. The Braves practically doubled his salary and assured him that he'll remain in the starting rotation all season long, barring a cratering of performance.
   13. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: February 16, 2017 at 10:23 AM (#5402784)
Shoulda re-signed Colon.


Much as I love El Bart, I don't think you lose too much ground if you plug in Gsellman at #5.
   14. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 16, 2017 at 10:28 AM (#5402791)
Much as I love El Bart, I don't think you lose too much ground if you plug in Gsellman at #5.

If you think you're getting through the season with 5 SP, you're crazy.

I think getting 600 IP out of Syndergaard/DeGrom/Matz/Harvey is close to a best case.

They did want to re-sign Colon. The Braves practically doubled his salary and assured him that he'll remain in the starting rotation all season long, barring a cratering of performance.

$7.25 to $12.5M isn't that big a jump coming off a 119 ERA+ and 4 straight seasons of 190+ IP.

The Mets could heave easily guaranteed him a spot. Wheeler was limited to 100 IP anyway. Hold him back until somebody gets hurt.

No way you're getting 5 full seasons out of that rotation. Everyone except Syndergaard had serious injury issues last year. And Colon is 43.
   15. PreservedFish Posted: February 16, 2017 at 10:36 AM (#5402799)

I think getting 600 IP out of Syndergaard/DeGrom/Matz/Harvey is close to a best case.


Are these guys even healthy today? I have not kept up with DeGrom and Matz, I also remember speculation that Harvey's injury was potentially career-destroying.
   16. Lassus Posted: February 16, 2017 at 10:40 AM (#5402805)
WECOME TO SPRING TRAINING! Here, have a bottle of Vodka.
   17. asinwreck Posted: February 16, 2017 at 10:41 AM (#5402806)
The Giants' trade for Beltran looked risky, but damn if they don't come out of it looking great.
   18. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 16, 2017 at 10:42 AM (#5402807)
Are these guys even healthy today? I have not kept up with DeGrom and Matz, I also remember speculation that Harvey's injury was potentially career-destroying.

That's kinda my point.

Syndergaard is. Matz only had bone spurs, which were cleaned up. But DeGrom's elbow issues were undiagnosed/treated as far as I can tell, and Harvey, who knows?
   19. PreservedFish Posted: February 16, 2017 at 10:46 AM (#5402816)
The Giants' trade for Beltran looked risky, but damn if they don't come out of it looking great.

Ha. Hadn't thought of that.
   20. Adam Starblind Posted: February 16, 2017 at 10:54 AM (#5402827)
The Giants' trade for Beltran looked risky, but damn if they don't come out of it looking great.


I would say they came out looking neutral. They got 44 excellent games (1 bWAR) out of Beltran and didn't make the playoffs. The Mets have gotten a whopping 2 bWAR out of Wheeler. I don't see how you can argue the Giants won the trade. More of a yawn (assuming Wheeler doesn't amount to much).
   21. Bug Selig Posted: February 16, 2017 at 10:57 AM (#5402831)
Well, at least now he'll be happy not pitching in the rotation rather than not pitching out of the bullpen.
   22. PreservedFish Posted: February 16, 2017 at 11:02 AM (#5402835)
Matz, DeGrom and Harvey all had their seasons end in surgery. We might get like 40 starts out of those guys.
   23. catomi01 Posted: February 16, 2017 at 11:06 AM (#5402840)
Every day is a crappy day for pitcher's elbows. Evolution does not apply to throwing spheroids with torque at extremely high velocities. The arms were broken, they were always broken.


I don't know enough about the subject to even know where to start - but is there a less damaging way to throw a ball that would still be legal and still get something close to MLB quality? I mean like sidearm or submarine - would it be worth developing at least some pitchers that way longer term as a hedge against injury - or is that just trading off stress on one part of the body for another?

Or should we could just move baseball to slowpitch softball - plenty of injuries there too, but I don't think pitchers would need to worry about TJ or torn labrums.
   24. PreservedFish Posted: February 16, 2017 at 11:18 AM (#5402854)
I don't know enough about the subject to even know where to start - but is there a less damaging way to throw a ball that would still be legal and still get something close to MLB quality?


Well, some argue that these injuries are on the rise because pitchers are throwing at max effort more than they used to. And it's not just because innings loads are coming down. This starts in high school - you want that big bonus, you better light up the radar guns.
   25. Adam Starblind Posted: February 16, 2017 at 11:19 AM (#5402856)
Or should we could just move baseball to slowpitch softball - plenty of injuries there too, but I don't think pitchers would need to worry about TJ or torn labrums.


Plus, you always stick the oldest guy there anyway. Bartolo could pitch into his 70s, assuming he has 70s.
   26. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: February 16, 2017 at 12:13 PM (#5402919)
The good news for the Mets is that even with everyone but Thor going down last season they still made the wild card game. I think 600 IP is a reasonable goal for their top four, and guys like Gsellman and Lugo are pretty good for fifth and sixth starters.

Far more ominous for the Mets is the very public feud between two of the Mets biggest stars. Looks like a woman is in the middle of the dispute. Team chemistry may be overrated, but this might not end well.


This has the makings of another Palmeiro/Sandberg dustup written all over it!
   27. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: February 16, 2017 at 12:56 PM (#5402959)
Anthony diComo tweeted that Wheeler played catch today, as scheduled and they hope to have him back on the mound tomorrow, just a day behind schedule.
   28. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: February 16, 2017 at 02:06 PM (#5403057)
This starts in high school - you want that big bonus, you better light up the radar guns.

They had a segment about pitcher injuries last night on MLB Network and Ron Darling (?) said it starts with pitchers as young as 12 and using MLB-level training methods for kids before their bodies are ready for that kind of stress.
   29. Zach Posted: February 16, 2017 at 02:15 PM (#5403067)
Tenderness right after Valentine's Day. Love is in the air!

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