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Friday, July 14, 2017

Michael Pineda has torn elbow, seems headed for Tommy John

Michael Pineda has been recommended for Tommy John surgery, according to Yankees general manager Brian Cashman.

Pineda has been diagnosed with a partial tear of the ulnar collateral ligament in his right elbow. He will receive a second opinion, but surgery — which would keep him sidelined possibly until 2019 — is likely. Pineda will become a free agent after this season, meaning his stint in pinstripes is likely over.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 14, 2017 at 12:19 PM | 39 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: michael pineda, tommy john surgery, yankees

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   1. Jose is El Absurd Bronson Y Pollo Posted: July 14, 2017 at 12:31 PM (#5493572)
That sucks. No Yankee fan but Pineda is a guy I've always wanted to see pull together one big season.
   2. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: July 14, 2017 at 12:32 PM (#5493573)
So it ain't just the Mets...
   3. catomi01 Posted: July 14, 2017 at 12:37 PM (#5493579)
ug
   4. Jose is El Absurd Bronson Y Pollo Posted: July 14, 2017 at 12:37 PM (#5493580)
They ARE both in New York. I think it's reasonable to assume a Met doctor was involved.
   5. catomi01 Posted: July 14, 2017 at 12:38 PM (#5493582)
The yankees certainly won this trade - but its never really felt like it - especially now.
   6. rconn23 Posted: July 14, 2017 at 12:39 PM (#5493583)
Feel terrible for the guy, especially in his walk year. He's maddeningly inconsistent, and I frankly hated watching him pitch, but there is just so much talent there. Gotta think Chance Adams gets an opportunity soon.
   7. He who brought the butter dish to Balshazar (CoB) Posted: July 14, 2017 at 12:40 PM (#5493584)
Well, this sort of came out of nowhere, he was terrible in his last start, but I don't remember hearing there was any suggestion of an injury.

Never really warmed to him, but always wanted him to succeed, good luck, Mike!
   8. Tim D Posted: July 14, 2017 at 12:46 PM (#5493587)
Justin Verlander in pinstripes? Or (fill in name of other allegedly available starter)? Do Yankees take on $$$ and/or move kids to win now? Or do they trust that youngsters will deliver in many future pennant races?
   9. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 14, 2017 at 12:48 PM (#5493588)
Justin Verlander in pinstripes? Or (fill in name of other allegedly available starter)? Do Yankees take on $$$ and/or move kids to win now? Or do they trust that youngsters will deliver in many future pennant races?

I think they'll try Chase Adams first. Bryan Mitchell may also get a look.

   10. rconn23 Posted: July 14, 2017 at 12:49 PM (#5493592)
I don't think there's anyway they give up top prospects for Verlander. If they make any moves at all, they will look for a younger cost-controlled starter. With Quintana off the board, maybe they turn their attention to Gray. But, I think that's unlikely.
   11. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: July 14, 2017 at 12:55 PM (#5493606)
Man, does this suck, especially after all he's been through before this. In the 6 seasons since the Yankees got him in the Montero trade, he's appeared in all of 89 games.
   12. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 14, 2017 at 12:58 PM (#5493609)
Man, does this suck, especially after all he's been through before this. In the 6 seasons since the Yankees got him in the Montero trade, he's appeared in all of 89 games.

Sucks for him personally, but as a Yankee fan, I'm ready to move on from Pineda.
   13. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: July 14, 2017 at 12:59 PM (#5493611)
I think they'll try Chase Adams first.

If only they were all starters, how cool would a rotation of Chad, Chase and Chasen be?
   14. catomi01 Posted: July 14, 2017 at 01:00 PM (#5493613)
I doubt they make a move involving any of the really big prospects, but could see a move for a lesser guy and/or take back a troublesome contract from someone else. I think more likely (and what I would try) is roll out Chance Adams over the next two weeks to see what he looks like. 18 days til the deadline isn't exactly a lot of time to evaluate what they have in house, but its enough to give the inhouse options 2-3 starts each to see how bad the damage looks before making any kind of panic move. Its also a short enough span of games that anything less than a complete nose-dive and they will still be in the race come July 31, so no need to panic and take the first offer out there.

If I'm them, I'd look at the lower end of the spectrum for my moves - Marlins to take a look at a reunion with Phelps (and maybe Martin Prado as some Headley insurance) to sure up the bullpen, maybe Justin Wilson from detroit...just seems like any of the bigger name starters available or likely to be available are going to be cost-prohibitive, either in prospect cost or the money they'd need to absorb...stock up the bullpen if the price is right and see what the kids can do in the rotation.
   15. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 14, 2017 at 01:05 PM (#5493617)
As others have noted, Pineda was inconsistent, to say the least. His "stuff" looked like it should produce good results, but it often didn't. However, there was the tease that one day he'd put it all together, and for a time this season, he looked pretty good. A bad break at a bad time for Pineda. Someone will probably give him a lowball 2-year contract (a year to recover & a year to show whether he can pitch), maybe even the Yankees, but he had been positioned to do much better.

Greg Bird appears headed for surgery, too, so this isn't a great day for the Yankees. Holliday & Castro may be back, but they are still missing Hicks & Austin, with an 10-day, 11-game, cross-country road trip starting tonight. Oh well, perhaps Aaron Judge will hit the Citgo sign. Is the wind blowing out?
   16. Blastin Posted: July 14, 2017 at 01:05 PM (#5493619)
Bryan Mitchell may also get a look


I think he's pitching in the doubleheader Sunday, and then Adams may come after.

Play the kids, see what happens. It'll be fun if nothing else, and fun is... fun.
   17. rconn23 Posted: July 14, 2017 at 01:06 PM (#5493621)

If only they were all starters, how cool would a rotation of Chad, Chase and Chasen be?

It would be part and parcel with their "Tyler" fixation (although Webb got traded.)
   18. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 14, 2017 at 01:07 PM (#5493622)
Play the kids, see what happens. It'll be fun if nothing else, and fun is... fun.

Yup.
   19. He who brought the butter dish to Balshazar (CoB) Posted: July 14, 2017 at 01:16 PM (#5493626)
Greg Bird appears headed for surgery, too, so this isn't a great day for the Yankees.


If that's the case, ugh.

I don't know if I ever fully recovered from the Nick Johnson experience ...
   20. rconn23 Posted: July 14, 2017 at 01:20 PM (#5493630)
I don't want to give up on Greg Bird, but this is getting very Nick Johnson'y. Of all the possible first base trade options, I would kick the tires on Brandon Belt.
   21. Astroenteritis Posted: July 14, 2017 at 01:23 PM (#5493632)
I always feel so bad for guys that have the rotten luck that Pineda's had, especially when they have as much talent as him. Can't help but wonder what his career arc would have been had he been healthy. Of course, baseball is littered with pitchers about whom you could say the same thing. Still, it stinks.
   22. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: July 14, 2017 at 01:37 PM (#5493645)
Greg Bird appears headed for surgery, too, so this isn't a great day for the Yankees.


They have surgery to repair injuries that exist entirely in a player's head?
   23. Ziggy: The Platonic Form of Russell Branyan Posted: July 14, 2017 at 01:50 PM (#5493650)
Pineda: 8.9 WAR
Montero -0.1 WAR

Remember when we lost sleep over this?
   24. Adam Starblind Posted: July 14, 2017 at 01:57 PM (#5493653)
I guess he's as good as Harvey after all.
   25. Blastin Posted: July 14, 2017 at 02:33 PM (#5493696)
Hicks & Austin


I mean, one of these is not like the other.

   26. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: July 14, 2017 at 02:37 PM (#5493703)
Sucks for him personally, but as a Yankee fan, I'm ready to move on from Pineda.


Seems like the non-Yankee fans (including me) are more disappointed to hear this than Yankee fans. He's up and down for sure, but when his fastball is on, he's fun to watch. Average velocity this year was 94.2, which would be 23rd in the majors.
   27. catomi01 Posted: July 14, 2017 at 02:46 PM (#5493712)
I don't know if I ever fully recovered from the Nick Johnson experience ...


I'm still waiting for the Johnson, D'Angelo Jimenez, Jeter, and Drew Henson all-star infield we were promised...
   28. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: July 14, 2017 at 02:52 PM (#5493720)
Average velocity this year was 94.2, which would be 23rd in the majors.


Just correcting myself: according to Fangraphs, Pineda doesn't throw a fastball. His are classified as cutters, and he has the highest average velocity of that pitch type.
   29. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 14, 2017 at 06:54 PM (#5493842)
The Greg Bird diagnosis:
Bird is dealing with an ailment called “os trigonum” syndrome — an excess bone growth that could require surgical removal. Bird is headed for another opinion on his ankle and will have further discussions with medical professionals, the team and his agents before deciding on a course of action. The surgery would sideline Bird for “at least another two months,” per Marchand. One alternative is a second cortisone shot, per MLB.com’s Bryan Hoch (on Twitter).

I read elsewhere that Bird's had a cortisone shot, and feeling a bit better, but no word on whether he can play anytime soon.
   30. Walt Davis Posted: July 14, 2017 at 07:21 PM (#5493849)
Was Pineda's earlier injury also TJS?

If Bird's out the Yanks should seriously consider Adams. On the pitching side, depends where they are relative to lux tax and their plan to reset the penalty. I assume Verlander would mess that up. Darvish might not mess that up since he's FA at the end of the year. Of course Darvish would be a huge upgrade on Pineda and they could target a mediocre starter to hold steady without giving up a major prospect. To be honest, I'm not expecting the Yanks to hold on at this point ... which pretty much guarantees they will hold on.
   31. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: July 14, 2017 at 07:31 PM (#5493850)
Was Pineda's earlier injury also TJS?


No, torn labrum IIRC.
   32. Davoice of Dapeople Posted: July 14, 2017 at 07:58 PM (#5493857)
Could Adam Warren get a shot in the rotation? I've always liked him.
   33. RickA. Posted: July 14, 2017 at 08:02 PM (#5493859)
Personally, I'd prefer if the Yanks don't go for it this year. Play the kids to see what they've got. Not that I wish them to give up, but there are just too many holes to fill this year. They could use a first baseman, a reliever and 1 maybe 2 starters.
   34. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: July 14, 2017 at 09:44 PM (#5493903)
Sucks for him personally, but as a Yankee fan, I'm ready to move on from Pineda.


It's kind of amazing how little came of that blockbuster trade. At least Pineda provided the Yankees with *some* value. Jesus Montero turned out to be such a nonentity that I had to look up his name just now.
   35. Walt Davis Posted: July 14, 2017 at 10:28 PM (#5493931)
#33 ... The only sort of deal where they maybe should be willing to give up substantial talent would be a Quintana-style deal where they can fill a need for a few seasons with a cost-controlled player. But unless it messes up the lux tax plan, they might as well try to fill some holes with average-ish type pickups that shouldn't cost much.

1B: Adams, Duda or Alonso

SP: Feldman was the most obvious candidate I found and he has the extra advantage of having pitched mainly in the AL the past few seasons before this one (102 ERA+ from 2013-2016). RA Dickey maybe. Trevor Cahill could be another.

RP: I'm sure there are many but the one that sprung to mind was Sean Doolittle who has one more cheap year of control left then two not-so-cheap options.

None of those are major additions but they could help them play 500 the rest of the year, keeping them at least on the edge of contention. The AL Wild Card is a complete mess right now -- the Yanks and Rays currently hold the spots and both are just under an 85-win pace. Presumably a couple of teams will get a little hot in the 2nd half and end on 87+ wins but no reason that can't be the Yanks.
   36. Bug Selig Posted: July 14, 2017 at 10:28 PM (#5493932)
He's up and down for sure, but when his fastball is on, he's fun to watch.
I never found him fun to watch, just because he was almost as fluid as Elaine Benes dancing. It is remarkable how hard he can throw with no identifiable synergy between any of his body parts.
   37. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: July 15, 2017 at 08:31 AM (#5493984)
Was Pineda's earlier injury also TJS?


no--shoulder
   38. Leroy Kincaid Posted: July 15, 2017 at 11:00 AM (#5494000)
Drew Henson...Wow. Blast from the past.
   39. ReggieThomasLives Posted: July 17, 2017 at 06:34 PM (#5494918)
They have surgery to repair injuries that exist entirely in a player's head?


No, Birds just finding new ways to lollygag according to Levine.

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