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Tuesday, August 13, 2019

Michael Schur will also call a White Sox game alongside Jason Benettii

Earlier this week, news came that Bill Walton would be joining Jason Benetti in the White Sox booth when they were in Anaheim to take on the Angels. That was obviously good news (well, unless maybe you’re a diehard White Sox fan, but even then.)...

Now, thanks to The Athletic’s Jon Greenberg, another of the mystery partners has been revealed: television showrunner Michael Schur, executive producer of Parks & Recreation, Brooklyn Nine-Nine, and The Good Place. Schur wrote for and acted on The Office. Perhaps most relevantly, of course, is Schur’s background as one of the founders of Fire Joe Morgan, a blog dedicated to critiquing bad sports broadcasting and/or journalism.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 13, 2019 at 11:31 PM | 78 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Man o' Schwar Posted: August 14, 2019 at 05:50 AM (#5871207)
You would never think that the guy who played Mose was the mind behind 3 of the best comedies of the last decade. I had no idea he was also part of FJM.
   2. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: August 14, 2019 at 08:42 AM (#5871216)
The main guy, I thought at the time. Also, the other FJM guys are TV comedy writers as well, including Alan Yang (who co-created Master of None and Forever, in addition to writing for other well regarded shows).
Oh, PNR would sometimes get attention for baseball easter eggs, like the law firm with partners with names like Pecota and Babip. That, I believe, was Schur's doing.
   3. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: August 14, 2019 at 09:35 AM (#5871224)
Schur has been the sometime co-host of of a baseball pod with Posnanski for several years now. He's still a highly informed fan and a very funny guy. I think this is great.
   4. Zonk, your King of All that Is Real Posted: August 14, 2019 at 09:44 AM (#5871227)
You would never think that the guy who played Mose was the mind behind 3 of the best comedies of the last decade. I had no idea he was also part of FJM.


I'm supposing Brooklyn Nine-Nine as the 3rd?

I'd have to think on that.... I like the show - but not certain I'd put it in the same strata as the Office and Parks and Rec.
   5. Zonk, your King of All that Is Real Posted: August 14, 2019 at 09:49 AM (#5871229)
Oh, PNR would sometimes get attention for baseball easter eggs, like the law firm with partners with names like Pecota and Babip


The original firm was Bapip, Pecota, Vorp & Eckstein.... They eventually merged with another firm to become Fwar, Dips, Winshares, Gritt, Babip, Pecota, Vorp & Eckstein.... and then in the final season (see the disclaimer for the Johnny Karate episode) - Woba, Eraplus, Rângé-Factor and Heart joined the firm.
   6. chisoxcollector Posted: August 14, 2019 at 10:06 AM (#5871232)
I'm supposing Brooklyn Nine-Nine as the 3rd?

I'd have to think on that.... I like the show - but not certain I'd put it in the same strata as the Office and Parks and Rec.

He probably means The Good Place, which is probably my favorite comedy since the peaks of P&R, The Office, and Scrubs.
   7. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: August 14, 2019 at 10:43 AM (#5871240)
Heh - I'd reorder the guess to be PNR, B99, and TGP - not including The Office at all (as that credit goes primarily to Daniels (apologies to Gervais, obv)). (EDIT: Or I could just read the lede, gee willikers.)

I gotta say, that law firm name joke sucks.
   8. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 14, 2019 at 11:13 AM (#5871247)


I gotta say, that law firm name joke sucks.



I'm sure 99% of the audience didn't get it, but the 1% that did loved it (or at least I did).

Who has been behind the greatest quantity of great television? Like has produced multiple great shows? Norman Lear? Aaron Sorkin? Someone from the golden age?
   9. SoSH U at work Posted: August 14, 2019 at 11:18 AM (#5871249)
That law firm joke strikes me as being like Hitler, at least from Marge Schott's perspective.

Who has been behind the greatest quantity of great television? Like has produced multiple great shows?


David Simon?

or Vince Gilligan?
   10. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 14, 2019 at 11:26 AM (#5871252)
James L. Brooks created The Mary Tyler Moore Show (plus its spinoffs), Taxi, and The Simpsons.
   11. Scott Lange Posted: August 14, 2019 at 11:36 AM (#5871254)
The Office - Willie Mays. Inner-circle peak and career value. Weirdly unrecognizable right at the end, but everyone forgives them.
Parks & Rec - Stan Musial. Also inner-circle. Immensely likable.
Brooklyn 99 - Buster Posey. Fringe HoFer. Under appreciated. Best known for surviving a career-threatening event.
The Good Place - Koufax. Inner-circle peak, but short career. Early twist propelled them to greatness.

Who has been behind the greatest quantity of great television? Like has produced multiple great shows?

I love David Simon, but The Wire is his only great show for my money. The Corner was great but just a short miniseries. Everything else has been HOVG.

I think Norman Lear is the answer, but there's an argument for Schur with the "multiple great shows" criteria. Parks & Rec is a pretty solid "second best show."

Then again, "multiple great shows" isn't the only criteria we could use. If you're just talking career WAR, Norman Lear is probably the answer. Or maybe Lorne Michaels (SNL, Kids in the Hall, Conan, 30 Rock, etc).
   12. Scott Lange Posted: August 14, 2019 at 11:38 AM (#5871255)
James L. Brooks created The Mary Tyler Moore Show (plus its spinoffs), Taxi, and The Simpsons.


MTM and Taxi is very strong. But how much credit does he get for the Simpsons? I don't know - maybe a lot. And I suppose you don't need a very big percentage of credit for the Simpsons to rack up a lot of WAR.
   13. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 14, 2019 at 11:50 AM (#5871260)
I don’t think Lorne Michaels had any creative input for 30 Rock, did he?
   14. RoyalFlush Posted: August 14, 2019 at 12:52 PM (#5871288)
Norman Lear all day, every day.

Sanford/Son, All in the Family, Maude, Good Times, One Day at a Time, Mary Hartman/Mary Hartman
   15. Swoboda is freedom Posted: August 14, 2019 at 01:04 PM (#5871292)
Chuck Barris? Gong Show, Newlywed Game, $1.98 Beauty Show,
Goodson Todman? Beat the Clock, Card Sharks, Family Feud, Match Game, Password, Tattletales, The Price Is Right, To Tell the Truth and What's My Line?.

Come on this is gold.
   16. Man o' Schwar Posted: August 14, 2019 at 01:39 PM (#5871302)
Heh - I'd reorder the guess to be PNR, B99, and TGP - not including The Office at all (as that credit goes primarily to Daniels (apologies to Gervais, obv)). (EDIT: Or I could just read the lede, gee willikers.)

Yeah, I wasn't including the Office.

I love all 3 of those Schur shows, and if I had to put them in order, would probably go Good Place, Parks n Rec, B99.
   17. JAHV Posted: August 14, 2019 at 01:48 PM (#5871310)
You could not get more on the opposite sides of the enjoyability spectrum for me than Bill Walton and Mike Schur. I loved FJM, and The Good Place is one of my favorite shows of all time. The podcast Schur does with Posnanski is my favorite podcast, although now that he is ridiculously successful, he rarely has time to do it any more. When he does, he's always down-to-earth and hilarious, even when I disagree with him about something.

Bill Walton, on the other hand, causes me to break the mute button hitting it so hard the second I hear his voice.

Since I'm in Angels territory and these are White Sox broadcasts, I won't [be subjected to/get to partake in] either of these, but maybe I can find a way to catch Schur's broadcast somehow. I don't know how natural he'll be in the booth, but if he's anything like he is on the Poscast, it will be amusing.
   18. Zonk, your King of All that Is Real Posted: August 14, 2019 at 01:52 PM (#5871314)
OK - if you say Schur gets only limited credit on The Office - then that's perfectly fair.

Especially from season 3 onward - I'd take prime P&R over The Office - but that's an interesting debate, setting aside Schur credit. P&R clearly owes ancestry to The Office.... so point to the Office. Leads? Boy... I've got that pretty even (if you consider it Carrel vs Poehler... if you think it's actually more Krasinski vs Poehler, then point to P&R). P&R beats the Office on depth easily - Rainn Wilson can hold his own individually against Ansari, Pratt, Offerman (maybe). But he's got no backup - Creed Bratton was amusing, but usually just a 30 second one-trick pony. Robinson and Kaling were OK.
   19. Baldrick Posted: August 14, 2019 at 01:55 PM (#5871317)
The Office is bad. I enjoyed it when it was on, but my wife has been rewatching it recently and the whole thing is just awful. Season 2/3 still hold up reasonably well, but everything after that is pretty unpleasant. I feel like the same thing happened with me and Brooklyn 99, except it didn't take time. Just...in the middle of the third of fourth season, I realized I wasn't looking forward to watching it, so I stopped.

Parks and Rec is better on rewatching. It's definitely comfort food, and I wouldn't call it 'great' in the sense of being world-changing, but it's one of the few consistently wonderful shows out there.

Re: David Simon, I think Treme is wildly underrated. It's not The Wire, but it's a really really good show.
   20. Man o' Schwar Posted: August 14, 2019 at 01:56 PM (#5871319)
But he's got no backup - Creed Bratton was amusing, but usually just a 30 second one-trick pony.

He was a little horse, not a pony. And that horse has an honorary degree from Notre Dame, son.
   21. Man o' Schwar Posted: August 14, 2019 at 02:00 PM (#5871324)
The Office is bad. I enjoyed it when it was on, but my wife has been rewatching it recently and the whole thing is just awful. Season 2/3 still hold up reasonably well, but everything after that is pretty unpleasant.

I'm in the same boat - I really liked the Office, but I find that I have no interest in rewatching it in syndication, while I'll happily put on Parks and Rec. Looking back, I find the Michael Scott character gratingly unpleasant. I know he was supposed to be kind of a lovable dork with a good heart who was trying his best and really cared about his people, but... had I worked in that office, I wouldn't have lasted a week. I just want to punch him repeatedly. No one should be that aggressively clueless.

If you start Parks and Rec when Adam Scott and Rob Lowe join, it's pretty stellar right up to the last episode. (And there's some good stuff in Season 2 as well, but it doesn't really hit its stride until Ben and Chris show up.)
   22. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 14, 2019 at 02:10 PM (#5871326)
The Office is bad. I enjoyed it when it was on, but my wife has been rewatching it recently and the whole thing is just awful. Season 2/3 still hold up reasonably well, but everything after that is pretty unpleasant.


Concur. A while back, I tried to watch the whole thing, but I couldn't make it to the end - after Michael Scott left, it was just terrible. I watched some earlier episodes more recently, and realized the decline started around season 3. The first two seasons are pretty great, though.

Robinson and Kaling were OK.


These are exactly the two people they should have focused more on. They were both fantastic. Instead, they kept bringing on new characters, every one of which was more annoying and worthless than the previous one.
   23. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 14, 2019 at 02:15 PM (#5871331)
Creed Bratton was amusing, but usually just a 30 second one-trick pony.


Creed Bratton is the actor's actual name. That's gotta count for something.
   24. Zonk, your King of All that Is Real Posted: August 14, 2019 at 02:23 PM (#5871336)
I'd be a little bit kinder on when the Office ran out of steam -- call me a romantic, but I was glad to see Jim and Pam get together. I'd say the peak extends up to and very much includes its finest episode (The Dinner Party). So, season 4 or so.

Then, the falloff comes pretty rapidly.

You get a few dead cat bounces here and there -- the resolution of Andy as the cuckold (pretty much the only time when Helms wasn't annoying).... a few laughs around the Michael Scott Paper Company arc.... The show quite clearly and obviously should have ended with Carrel's last show (maybe a season sooner).

I rewatched the whole thing a couple months back - I actually dropped it from my DVR prior to season 6, so I never saw 6 onward beyond a smattering of syndication reruns I half-watched here and there.... and man, that is some awfully slim pickings. You get a few Dwight moments but that's about it.
   25. Gazizza, my Dilznoofuses! Posted: August 14, 2019 at 02:28 PM (#5871339)
I think Parks & Rec gets overrated. Its fans (of which I am one), I think, forget or overlook how poor the first two seasons are. Until Adam Scott and Rob Lowe show up, it's not all that great a show. I also find the last season or two made Leslie insufferable to the point where I couldn't understand why any of rest of the cast put up with her. It is on my list to binge again soon, though.

The Office began its decline right after Jim and Pam got together at the end of Season 3 and accelerated starting in Season 5. I think as the cringe humor took over more of the show, it got worse. My last two attempts to binge it led to me giving up during Season 5. (I didn't even reach "Scott's Tots" either time.) I have all 9 seasons on DVD but have never even unwrapped Seasons 8 & 9.

I'm a season or two behind on B99 and The Good Place but love all of what I've seen from them so far and would rank both of them above either The Office or P&R. The lineup singing "I Want It That Way" is so funny it turned me into a fan of a song I used to hate.

EDIT: Fixed some grammar mistakes
   26. Hot Wheeling American Posted: August 14, 2019 at 02:29 PM (#5871340)
Still a big Office fan, but the last two seasons are unwatchable (though I recall the finale hitting mostly right notes). Prime Office really ends at Jim and Pam's wedding.
   27. Blastin Posted: August 14, 2019 at 02:40 PM (#5871344)
Same feelings directly above. Love it forever, it's bad after Carell leaves and pretty bad in season 6 also. It got better in the Paper Company arc, and it was good once Carell (in real life) said he was leaving and they had something to write towards. As these things tend to go.

Parks and Rec was, I think, funnier at its best and had a deeper bench. And it never got bad.

B99 is still very fun, but never hit the heights of the others.

I... never found TGP funny.

As for Schur, he was just a writer on the Office (and Mose). So he did the last three. And that's still a ton.
   28. Zonk, your King of All that Is Real Posted: August 14, 2019 at 02:40 PM (#5871345)
I think Parks & Rec gets overrated. Its fans (which I am), I think, forget or overlook how poor the first two seasons are. Until Adam Scott and Rob Lowe show up, it's not all that great a show. I also find the last season or two made Leslie insufferable to the point where I couldn't understand why any of rest of the cast put up with her. It is on my list to binge again soon, though.


Oh, I don't even bother with season 1. I say season 3 - but sure, if one wants to move it a bit backwards to the the mid-2 introduction of King/Lowe, that's fine. So far as I'm concerned, season 1 doesn't even exist.

When I convinced a (now ex- though not because of this!) GF to binge it, we got into a big fight because I insisted on skipping season 1 entirely... my argument was that we'd never make it 2 - much less the prime. Hers was that she needed to meet the characters. And on and on.... she won in the near-term, but did ultimately admit that yeah - I was right, we should have skipped ahead and just started mid season 2.

It's like Greg Maddux's first full year.... 6-14 5.61 -0.4 WAR, 76 ERA+.
   29. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 14, 2019 at 02:42 PM (#5871346)
The Office is bad. I enjoyed it when it was on, but my wife has been rewatching it recently and the whole thing is just awful.
Huh, so music can't be objectively bad, but apparently a TV show can be. I kid, I kid. But curious about what is so terrible about the entirety of The Office?
   30. Blastin Posted: August 14, 2019 at 02:48 PM (#5871347)
Agreed that Parks gets good right about when Scott/Lowe show up and Brandana-quitz.
   31. Zonk, your King of All that Is Real Posted: August 14, 2019 at 02:54 PM (#5871350)
I cannot quite decide if the decision to never ever never ever mention Brandanshitz again in ANY context was right and proper.... or if it would have been funny to somehow vaguely allude to him in some clever "we agreed to never speak of that again!" way. I suppose the former.
   32. Blastin Posted: August 14, 2019 at 02:55 PM (#5871352)
I kinda wanted him in the ending flashforward.
   33. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: August 14, 2019 at 02:56 PM (#5871354)
Its fans (of which I am one), I think, forget or overlook how poor the first two seasons are.


Agree on Season 1, but it's only six episodes. Season 2 has plenty of good episodes even before Ben and Chris, like "Sister City", "The Hunting Trip", and "Greg Pikitus".

I like "Brooklyn 99" a lot too, but haven't re-watched much of it since it's not on Netflix.
   34. Rusty Priske Posted: August 14, 2019 at 02:56 PM (#5871355)
Parks & Rec was better than The Office.
The Office was better than The Good Place.

Neither of these statements is an insult to the show on the wrong end of the comparison.

Brooklyn 99, however, is hot garbage. The handful of episodes I watched ranged from boring to annoying.
   35. Zonk, your King of All that Is Real Posted: August 14, 2019 at 02:57 PM (#5871356)
Don't recall how the timelines line up -- but actually, it would have been funny if The Office had had Brandanayikes interview for the office manager job and turn it into roast about nobody liked him at his former job and he just left and now everyone is glad he's gone but don't call for references because nobody would ever acknowledge he was once worked in the Pawnee city planning office, etc.... indeed - a line "In fact, the entire city of Pawnee will act like they don't even HAVE an office of city planning anymore!"
   36. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: August 14, 2019 at 03:02 PM (#5871358)
I did like the anecdote of how Schur came up with "The Good Place": he noticed that he wasn't tipping his barista if their back happened to be turned, and that got him thinking about if the tip was for them, or for himself.
   37. Man o' Schwar Posted: August 14, 2019 at 03:02 PM (#5871359)
I do like The Hunting Trip - I think it's my favorite Season 2 episode.

I think Summer Catalog was in Season 2 as well, and that one's fun. And Woman of the Year, if only for Ron's bemused reactions to everything.

I cannot quite decide if the decision to never ever never ever mention Brandanshitz again in ANY context was right and proper...

He just never fit with the rest of the cast. It always felt like he was making a completely different show from everyone else.
   38. Zonk, your King of All that Is Real Posted: August 14, 2019 at 03:06 PM (#5871361)
Brooklyn 99, however, is hot garbage. The handful of episodes I watched ranged from boring to annoying.


Nah. It's not HoF level, but once it got going I think it's pretty darn good. Indeed - might very be my favorite (only?) traditional network sitcom left I'll still watch.

Andre Braugher is just outstanding.... she's an acquired taste, but Chelsea Peretti eventually becomes quite amusing... even Andy Samberg - who I generally don't care for - shines.

It's not appointment TV - and I don't even DVR it - but it's worth the binge.
   39. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 14, 2019 at 03:06 PM (#5871363)
He just never fit with the rest of the cast. It always felt like he was making a completely different show from everyone else.


There's a group interview with the entire Parks & Rec cast plus Schur at some event in L.A., talking about their experiences making the show, sometime around season 2. Paul Schneider is there, and even in that context, he doesn't fit in at all with everyone else.
   40. Baldrick Posted: August 14, 2019 at 03:07 PM (#5871365)
Huh, so music can't be objectively bad, but apparently a TV show can be. I kid, I kid. But curious about what is so terrible about the entirety of The Office?

Not having this incredibly stupid fight again with you.
   41. Blastin Posted: August 14, 2019 at 03:09 PM (#5871367)
Andre Braugher is just outstanding.... she's an acquired taste, but Chelsea Peretti eventually becomes quite amusing... even Andy Samberg - who I generally don't care for - shines.


Holt himself is HoF level easily. And I love Rosa, too.
   42. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: August 14, 2019 at 03:11 PM (#5871370)
Norman Lear was my pick.
--
I think The Good Place is more interesting than funny, but it is funny. Jason Mendoza (especially when they team him with Eugene Cordero's character) consistently makes me laugh...
--
Assigning credit for shows can be tricky. Like, I was thinking that Brooks got credit for Cheers, but that was the Charles Bros. ... who came out of Brooks' shop (just as Schur came from Daniels, etc...)

   43. Karl from NY Posted: August 14, 2019 at 03:12 PM (#5871371)
I actually liked the Robert California character on The Office. Season 8 with him was perfectly watchable. He actually did a great job of being misguidedly imperious on a different axis than Michael.

I think of Will Ferrell's partial season as the unwatchable junk that everyone else thinks James Spader was.

The Jim-Pam thing was great at the time but now kills watching older reruns. Once you know that they do get together, the whole chase up to that seems pointlessly silly and juvenile.

And P&R is the most wonderfully warm and upbeat sitcom ever. (Although Knope's Hillary-worship did not age well.) Closest thing to P&R's vibe nowadays is Bob's Burgers.
   44. Zonk, your King of All that Is Real Posted: August 14, 2019 at 03:15 PM (#5871375)
I'm tempted to start spamming Holt quotes, but the writing doesn't do them proper justice without Braugher's delivery.
   45. Zonk, your King of All that Is Real Posted: August 14, 2019 at 03:16 PM (#5871379)
Closest thing to P&R's vibe nowadays is Bob's Burgers.


I think I might be able to get onboard with this sentiment.
   46. Bote Man Posted: August 14, 2019 at 03:17 PM (#5871380)
I literally do not remember Brandanshitz on PnR. Of course, it has been a few years since I last watched it. They're punishing us for cutting the cord by eliminating sources to stream these shows.
   47. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 14, 2019 at 03:18 PM (#5871381)
Not having this incredibly stupid fight again with you.
Relax, man, I was just kidding. As I said. And I really am curious as to why you think The Office is wholly terrible. The last couple seasons, sure. But what's irredeemable about the whole thing?
   48. PreservedFish Posted: August 14, 2019 at 03:34 PM (#5871388)
Am I the only person that watched these shows as they aired, and then never again?
   49. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: August 14, 2019 at 03:42 PM (#5871394)
I've seen some Office reruns whilst at other people's houses, but am not a re-watcher.

(Exceptions made for: peak Arrested Development and the pre-return seasons of Mr. Show)
   50. Blastin Posted: August 14, 2019 at 03:43 PM (#5871395)
Although Knope's Hillary-worship did not age well


Being sexually attracted to Biden is a bit... outdated now too.

Also: A character played by Louis CK kiiiinda falsely imprisoning people is... yeah.
   51. Karl from NY Posted: August 14, 2019 at 03:46 PM (#5871397)
Am I the only person that watched these shows as they aired, and then never again?

I've never intentionally rewatched an old series.* At most I'll happen on a rerun here or there while flipping channels, but never intentionally seek out any on either live tv or streaming.

(*Partial exception Arrested Development. I saw about half of it on original airings, and went back to watch the entire series in order. Coke to #49.)
   52. JAHV Posted: August 14, 2019 at 03:49 PM (#5871402)
I'm in the same boat - I really liked the Office, but I find that I have no interest in rewatching it in syndication, while I'll happily put on Parks and Rec. Looking back, I find the Michael Scott character gratingly unpleasant. I know he was supposed to be kind of a lovable dork with a good heart who was trying his best and really cared about his people, but... had I worked in that office, I wouldn't have lasted a week. I just want to punch him repeatedly. No one should be that aggressively clueless.


My wife and I watched it until the end, but the last two seasons were painful to get through, and the Michael Scott character was always cringe-worthy. He'd have a few nice moments here and there, but for the most part, I felt embarrassed for him, and for some of the other characters - Dwight, especially. We loved watching the Jim and Pam romance, but that in itself isn't worth re-watching the show.

I've never gotten into P&R. I've watched a few episodes, and they were generally enjoyable, but I was always worried it would get as unbearable as The Office got.
   53. Blastin Posted: August 14, 2019 at 03:53 PM (#5871404)
the Michael Scott character was always cringe-worthy


I mean... that... was kinda... the point?

But I understand if the cringe wasn't enjoyable for some.
   54. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: August 14, 2019 at 03:54 PM (#5871405)
For the record,
1. I liked The Office up to a point, can't remember what point but probably even before Michael left. Occasionally checked back in afterwards, and realized I wasn't missing it. I have never watched a rerun.
2. I loved Parks& Rec early in season 2, but also did briefly check out for a season or so. Came back and enjoyed the entire last season. I did a re-watch, and will watch if I have to come across a rerun that is on.
3. Never got into B99, have tried a couple of times.
4. Love The Good Place, and think it's probably for the best it'll end after this year. I think the fewer episodes make a big difference, leads to less repetition and/or character stagnation/regression. Probably the other shows would have benefited some from a smaller episode run. Though as I age, I think that's probably true of any show.
   55. Gazizza, my Dilznoofuses! Posted: August 14, 2019 at 03:57 PM (#5871406)
I think of Will Ferrell's partial season as the unwatchable junk that everyone else thinks James Spader was.


I found both unwatchable.

I literally do not remember Brandanshitz on PnR.


The second time I rewatched the show, I had completely forgotten about him until seeing him. Later, I saw something on the Internet that mentioned him being on the show and I had forgotten about him again.
   56. Greg Pope Posted: August 14, 2019 at 04:05 PM (#5871410)
I mean... that... was kinda... the point?

But I understand if the cringe wasn't enjoyable for some.


That's it. I didn't enjoy the cringe. I think the general character worked OK for the original Office because it was only 6 episodes per season. The US version had about 22. It was too much and it strained credibility. So I was not really a fan of the Michael Scott character.
   57. Blastin Posted: August 14, 2019 at 04:15 PM (#5871413)
Yeah the show is not fun if you can't deal with Michael. Despite the silliness, I empathized with his patheticness and loved watching him.
   58. JAHV Posted: August 14, 2019 at 04:27 PM (#5871418)
I mean... that... was kinda... the point?

But I understand if the cringe wasn't enjoyable for some.


You're right, but I feel like a couple things happened as the series went on. One, they tried to top themselves on the cringe-iness, so the episodes that focused mostly on Michael went from awkwardly funny to just awkward to aggressively uncomfortable. Admittedly, that kind of humor is not my personal preference, so it probably affected me more than others. Two, some of the other compelling story lines (namely, Jim and Pam) became less compelling in later seasons and made Michael's awkwardness stand out even more.
   59. asinwreck Posted: August 14, 2019 at 04:30 PM (#5871419)
Jon Greenberg:
FJM ended its glorious run on Nov. 13, 2008, a month after the Sox’s last playoff appearance. But if you read it, you’re thinking, “Ken Tremendous is in Hawk Harrelson’s booth? Who says 2019 is bad?”

This almost seems like a reward for 36 years of torture.

Parks & Rec had one of the better final season runs of an American comedy.
   60. Zonk, your King of All that Is Real Posted: August 14, 2019 at 05:15 PM (#5871434)
Parks & Rec had one of the better final season runs of an American comedy.


Wholly concur.... the 5 years later concept was flawlessly executed and the manner by which everybody got their own final season spotlight episode - but without doing the Arrested Development mistake where it meant you didn't get full ensemble - was also excellent.

I thought season 7 was virtually perfect.
   61. chisoxcollector Posted: August 14, 2019 at 05:51 PM (#5871445)
I loved Parks & Rec, other than the terrible first season. However, there was one character I couldn’t stand. Tom Haverford. I literally hated every single story line that focused on him. I think Aziz Ansari is one of the most annoying humans on the planet. I first saw him on the final season* of Scrubs. That final season was only okay, but it was ten times worse any time he was on screen.

*I’m not counting the abysmal 9th season that shouldn’t even be considered the same show.
   62. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: August 14, 2019 at 06:04 PM (#5871452)
the Michael Scott character was always cringe-worthy

I mean... that... was kinda... the point?

I didn't have a problem with Michael being cringe-worthy -- my problem was that it was implausible that (a) he would have been a successful salesman, let alone promoted to run the office (b) that he wouldn't have been fired within a few weeks of being head of the office. Yes, I know they occasionally showed him on sales calls but the person in those scenes was inconsistent with his character in the rest of the show. The same was true of Will Ferrell's character, and the British woman who was the boss for a short period. James Spader was enough of a bullshit artist that you could see him holding onto his job even if he wasn't any good at it.

It's been a long time since I watched the British version, but I remember Gervais being an ####### and a terrible manager, but someone who you could imagine having been a good salesman. More of a Spader than a Scott.

I don't remember what happens in what season but I think some of the middle seasons where the humanized Michael through his relationships with Jan and Holly were actually better because of that. Same with Dwight and his relationship with Angela.

If you start Parks and Rec when Adam Scott and Rob Lowe join, it's pretty stellar right up to the last episode. (And there's some good stuff in Season 2 as well, but it doesn't really hit its stride until Ben and Chris show up.)

It's pretty clear that when they started PNR, Leslie was supposed to be a Michael Scott-type bumbling idiot. At some point they realized that making her actually competent at her job but socially awkward and bad at managing in a somewhat endearing way was a much better formula. IIRC they made Nick Offerman's character more endearing, too, and less of a one-dimensional caricature. I think those were bigger factors in the show's improvement than Lowe/Scott's arrival, but YMMV.

The Good Place is just fantastic, although I'm not sure how long they can sustain it. (I haven't seen Season 3 yet but it's a concept I could see going off the rails pretty quickly.)

EDIT: Also, until this thread I didn't realize that Schur was the actor who played Mose.
   63. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: August 14, 2019 at 06:08 PM (#5871455)

I loved Parks & Rec, other than the terrible first season. However, there was one character I couldn’t stand. Tom Haverford. I literally hated every single story line that focused on him. I think Aziz Ansari is one of the most annoying humans on the planet. I first saw him on the final season* of Scrubs. That final season was only okay, but it was ten times worse any time he was on screen.

I was not much of an Ansari fan either, but his Netflix show "Master of None", mentioned earlier, is some of the best television of the past few years.
   64. Zonk, your King of All that Is Real Posted: August 14, 2019 at 06:19 PM (#5871458)
I'd strongly disagree on Tom Haverford.... the only time I found Anne Perkins bearable was when her storylines overlapped with his/they dated.

I still use http://tomhaverfoods.com/ regularly.... Indeed, I am sipping on a tickle water right now as I consider whether to make Lazy Gaga and perhaps grill up some pee cologne for din-din.
   65. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: August 14, 2019 at 06:21 PM (#5871460)
The Good Place is just fantastic, although I'm not sure how long they can sustain it. (I haven't seen Season 3 yet but it's a concept I could see going off the rails pretty quickly.)

A lesser show would have drawn out the story a lot longer. You wouldn't have gotten the twist at the end of season 1, and then you can have made multiple seasons out of just the various reboots they fly through in one episode. Same thing with some of the bigger developments in season 3, and how they ended that one. I have to think they knew pretty early on it was likely a show that would top out in quality if they kept it to around 50 episodes, which is where it'll end up when they finish season 4.
   66. CFBF's Overflowing Pathos Posted: August 14, 2019 at 06:48 PM (#5871467)
The Good Place started to flag just a little in the third season. Bringing the show down to Earth really brought the show down to Earth, and it (usually) lacked the anarchic weirdness and anything-is-possible sensibility that made the first two seasons so brilliant. You could see the show struggling to find a center and never quite succeeding. Still funny and still emotionally affecting (and the "Janet is everyone" episode was utterly brilliant), but not as tightly plotted or successful.

It's definitely a good thing that the show has a defined endpoint coming up, and I fully expect the last season to be utterly brilliant.
   67. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 14, 2019 at 06:59 PM (#5871470)
So, getting back to the subject of the thread, why the guest color men? Did something happen to Steve stone?
   68. Greg Pope Posted: August 14, 2019 at 07:06 PM (#5871473)
I loved Parks & Rec, other than the terrible first season.

I've heard this enough times that I think I have to give the show a second chance. I watched it at first, but thought it was bad and never went back.

It's pretty clear that when they started PNR, Leslie was supposed to be a Michael Scott-type bumbling idiot. At some point they realized that making her actually competent at her job but socially awkward and bad at managing in a somewhat endearing way was a much better formula.

And this is most likely why I never went back. Michael Scott was the weakest part of The Office for me, and I can't recall liking anything Amy Poehler's been in. So it was a combination of a leading actor I don't like plus a concept that I wasn't thrilled about. But I'm willing to give it another try.

   69. Man o' Schwar Posted: August 14, 2019 at 07:16 PM (#5871475)
and the "Janet is everyone" episode was utterly brilliant

So, so, so good. D'Arcy Carden should get all the awards for that.
   70. asinwreck Posted: August 14, 2019 at 07:36 PM (#5871477)
So, getting back to the subject of the thread, why the guest color men? Did something happen to Steve stone?


Per terms of his contract, he gets a vacation during the season. They've had Tom Paciorek come back to fill in in the past, and since his break comes when the team's in LA, they can pull in some local talent to help out.
   71. RickG Posted: August 14, 2019 at 09:39 PM (#5871511)
Regarding P&R and the first season, Schur has said before that it took them until the 6th episode (the last one of that first year) to really get the tone of the show down.

Specifically, the scene where Andy is running down band name after band name for the former and current Mouse Rat...that's when they realized what that character could be, and that helped lock everything else in place.
   72. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: August 14, 2019 at 11:57 PM (#5871552)
I cannot quite decide if the decision to never ever never ever mention Brandanshitz again in ANY context was right and proper...
He just never fit with the rest of the cast. It always felt like he was making a completely different show from everyone else.

At one of the PaleyFest Q&As;, after the show got popular, Retta namedropped Paul Schneider as having been an exceptionally generous and talented actor and all around good guy. Too bad he was the problematically unfunny character in that group, and had to go.
   73. CFBF's Overflowing Pathos Posted: August 15, 2019 at 12:30 AM (#5871556)
Parks and Rec was originally meant to be a spin-off of The Office, and even after that idea was shelved Schur and company approached the first season like they were making a very Office-like show. Mark was their Jim, and they didn't need a Jim once they figured out Leslie and brought on Rob Lowe and Adam Scott.
   74. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: August 15, 2019 at 01:06 AM (#5871560)
Armando Iannucci created or co-created "Veep" and "The Thick Of It," all of the different Alan Partridge series, and "The Day Today."

Dan Harmon has "Community" and "Rick and Morty." Nat Hiken has "The Phil Silvers Show (Sgt Bilko)" and "Car 54, Where Are You?"
   75. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: August 15, 2019 at 04:51 AM (#5871565)
I'm tempted to start spamming Holt quotes, but the writing doesn't do them proper justice without Braugher's delivery.


BONE?!?!
   76. villageidiom Posted: August 15, 2019 at 08:39 AM (#5871573)
Oh, PNR would sometimes get attention for baseball easter eggs, like the law firm with partners with names like Pecota and Babip. That, I believe, was Schur's doing.

In The Good Place Season 1 at one point they showed the ranking of who belonged in the Good Place based on whatever point system they had. The top name on the list? David Arias.
   77. Scott Lange Posted: August 15, 2019 at 09:21 AM (#5871590)
I'm tempted to start spamming Holt quotes, but the writing doesn't do them proper justice without Braugher's delivery.

When a tempo isn't specified, any reasonable person would default to lento.
   78. Zonk, your King of All that Is Real Posted: August 15, 2019 at 09:37 AM (#5871594)
Oh, I've caused a problem. I think I am getting a text message. Bloop. Ah, there it is.

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