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Saturday, December 22, 2012

Mike Fine: My Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

Another ballot to add to the tally:

Jeff Bagwell Barry Bonds Roger Clemens Edgar Martinez Dale Murphy Rafael Palmeiro Tim Raines Lee Smith Larry Walker

Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: December 22, 2012 at 01:01 AM | 12 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Rafael Bellylard: The Grinch of Orlando. Posted: December 22, 2012 at 09:12 AM (#4330837)
He says there are several others he feels are worthy, but only picked nine this time around. Love to know why he left one spot blank.
   2. kcgard2 Posted: December 22, 2012 at 09:20 AM (#4330841)
A very respectable ballot overall
   3. There are a lot of good people in alt-Shooty Posted: December 22, 2012 at 09:26 AM (#4330844)
No Mike Piazza again. I am really flummoxed by the tepid support for him. But any ballot with Raines gets my A-OK.
   4. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: December 22, 2012 at 09:34 AM (#4330850)
Ya I don't get the blank spot instead of Piazza either.
   5. SoSH U at work Posted: December 22, 2012 at 09:39 AM (#4330852)
No Mike Piazza again. I am really flummoxed by the tepid support for him. But any ballot with Raines gets my A-OK.


And no Biggio. I'm starting to think zero inductees from the BBWAA is the clubhouse favorite.

   6. There are a lot of good people in alt-Shooty Posted: December 22, 2012 at 09:41 AM (#4330854)
And no Biggio. I'm starting to think zero inductees from the BBWAA is the clubhouse favorite.

Right. Lee Smith but not Piazza or Biggio? I'm just going to focus on Raines' inclusion so I don't go nuts.
   7. Howie Menckel Posted: December 22, 2012 at 10:49 AM (#4330875)

There's no debating that this is a Fine ballot.

   8. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: December 22, 2012 at 10:55 AM (#4330878)
I'm getting the sense that having more than five players worthy of induction on the ballot is somehow overtaxing voters' minds. What the hell is going on with Biggio and Piazza?
   9. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: December 22, 2012 at 11:17 AM (#4330881)
But any ballot with Raines gets my A-OK.


There are at least a dozen guys on the ballot who have no business being there. I suspect that Tim Raines plus nine of them would not meet with your approval. So I have to ask, are you forgiving the Lee Smith vote, or do you actually think Smith should be elected?
   10. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: December 22, 2012 at 01:32 PM (#4330923)
I'm getting the sense that having more than five players worthy of induction on the ballot is somehow overtaxing voters' minds


I think that makes perfect sense. You are picking the best of the best so it is somewhat counterintuitive that such a list would require a "continued on next ballot" line.

I still think Morris goes in alone.
   11. Rough Carrigan Posted: December 22, 2012 at 01:35 PM (#4330926)
Could they put Morris's plaque between Freddie Lindstrom's and Jim Rice's?
   12. Walt Davis Posted: December 22, 2012 at 08:43 PM (#4331164)
do you actually think Smith should be elected?

Well ...

Let me state unequivocably that I would not have voted for Sutter or Gossage. Maybe I would have voted for Eck. But ...

Lee Smith would not be out of place in a HoF group where Sutter, Gossage and Fingers form 60-75% of the inductees (Wilhelm not really a closer). You might make the case that he's the worst of that bunch in which case he's borderline, but if you think closers belong, a vote for Smith is not unreasonable.

And under the Morris argument, you can probably argue that Smith was the best closer between Sutter (last big season 1984) and Rivera (first big closer season 1997). If closers belong in the HoF and Smith was the "best of his era" (if he was) ...

The problem isn't Lee Smith's HoF-worthiness per se, it's the HoF-worthiness of closers. The induction of Gossage and Sutter creates a real conundrum for us thinking fans -- closers have been deemed HoF-worthy which means we have to give at least serious consideration to guys like Smith, Rivera and Hoffman.

Now Lee Smith on this ballot from a roids-accepter makes no sense at all ... but neither does Dale Murphy.

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