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Friday, February 24, 2012

Mike Minor: start me in the majors or trade me

I mean have you been to Gwinnett County?  The Bob Evans there is terrible!

Braves starter Mike Minor is likely to be the Braves’ fifth starter. But yesterday he made it clear that, if there’s any doubt about that, he’d just as soon be traded:

“Overall, it’s not really – it’s about making the team, but if … I can control my third pitch and have a decent fourth pitch, then there’s no reason I shouldn’t pitch in the big leagues somewhere. If they don’t have room for me here, then there’s no reason they shouldn’t trade me or just do something with me.”

He sort of backed off that later, saying that the Braves should trade him if he hasn’t earned his spot in the rotation.  Which is sort of the same, but definitely different in tone.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 24, 2012 at 12:37 PM | 20 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Champions Table Posted: February 24, 2012 at 01:52 PM (#4067917)
Who does he think he is? Dwight Howard?
   2. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 24, 2012 at 01:58 PM (#4067920)
Hell, if I were the Braves I'd send him to the minor league camp for a week right now to cool his heels.

If he reacted well, I'd bring him back to the big camp and let him compete for a spot. If he pouts, he goes to AAA for a month no matter what.
   3. BDC Posted: February 24, 2012 at 02:01 PM (#4067923)
This reminds me of the time that John Major demanded that Mrs Thatcher give him a minor Cabinet post.
   4. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: February 24, 2012 at 02:09 PM (#4067930)
Assuming health it seems like Hudson, Jurrjens, Hanson and Beachy are pretty obviously the first four. That leaves three guys (Teheran, Minor and Delgado) sweating out a fifth spot. All look pretty good at a quick glance but I have a tough time seeing Minor as clearly deserving (or not deserving) of that fifth spot. If he goes out and pitches great in March while the others get bombed and he still gets bumped then he probably has a reason to ##### but it's not like the Braves are some team trying to find pitching under any rock they can. Hell, the bullpen looks solid enough that the two guys who don't get the fifth spot are probably better off (from Atlanta's perspective) getting regular work at AAA.
   5. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 24, 2012 at 02:12 PM (#4067933)
Isn't Hudson out for the start of the year?
   6. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: February 24, 2012 at 02:14 PM (#4067935)
“Overall, it’s not really – it’s about making the team, but if … I can control my third pitch and have a decent fourth pitch, then there’s no reason I shouldn’t pitch in the big leagues somewhere. If they don’t have room for me here, then there’s no reason they shouldn’t trade me or just do something with me.”


If Mike Minor is controlling his third pitch and has a decent fourth pitch, he will be retiring major league batters. As the guy with the most seniority in the scuffle for the fifth spot, if he is retiring major league batters, he will be starting in Atlanta. Bad move on his part coming out publicly like that, but if he's performing, he'll be starting. If he's not performing, he'll be in Gwinnett watching the other guy give it a try.

With that said:

Tim Hudson is 36 and rehabbing major back surgery. His best case return date is May.

Tommy Hanson is debuting a "new pitching motion" to relieve the pain from his slightly torn rotator cuff.

Jair Jurrjens is wearing special orthopedic shoes, to account for his misshapen big toe, which is supposed to reduce stress and inflammation on his plant knee.

Brandon Beachy has exactly one year of WTF awesomeness in his career - 2011.

I'm not sure we won't see two or three of the "fifth starter options" getting 20 starts in Atlanta this year.
   7. Randy Jones Posted: February 24, 2012 at 02:20 PM (#4067940)
Tommy Hanson is debuting a "new pitching motion" to relieve the pain from his slightly torn rotator cuff.


Not trying to minimize the severity of this or anything like that, but didn't some doctor with experience in this area(it might even have been James Andrews) say that basically every professional pitcher has a slightly torn rotator cuff?
   8. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: February 24, 2012 at 02:25 PM (#4067944)
Not trying to minimize the severity of this or anything like that, but didn't some doctor with experience in this area(it might even have been James Andrews) say that basically every professional pitcher has a slightly torn rotator cuff?


Yes. And if Hanson manages to pitch around this, WOOHOO! But me? I see rotator cuff and I immediately assign you to the Kerry Wood graveyard.
   9. RMc's desperate, often sordid world Posted: February 24, 2012 at 02:26 PM (#4067946)
Minor: start me in the majors

He's no Major Major Major Major.
   10. Random Transaction Generator Posted: February 24, 2012 at 03:21 PM (#4067993)
Minor's minor complaint about getting some major major league time.
   11. Walt Davis Posted: February 24, 2012 at 03:22 PM (#4067994)
True, he shouldn't have opened his mouth to start with but, assuming that first quote is accurate, he seems to have realized that and was already backing off.

If you parse it, all he says is "if I can add effective 3rd and 4th pitches, I should be in the majors." Note he doesn't even say it should be the rotation although that's quite possibly what he meant. As Sam points out, that is a truthful statement. More importantly, he's got that "if" in there and he's acknowledging he needs to show effective 3rd and 4th pitches to deserve the spot.

As "play me or trade me" demands go, that's as mild as they get.
   12. flournoy Posted: February 24, 2012 at 03:35 PM (#4068010)
I prefer a pitcher like Minor to want to start in the majors, even if it means a trade. He's ready. I also prefer that he not talk about it to the media, even in as hedged a way as he did, but my guess is that someone will talk to him about that, and he won't do that again. Unless he says something more, this is a non-issue.
   13. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: February 24, 2012 at 04:28 PM (#4068043)
I prefer a pitcher like Minor to want to start in the majors, even if it means a trade. He's ready. I also prefer that he not talk about it to the media, even in as hedged a way as he did, but my guess is that someone will talk to him about that, and he won't do that again. Unless he says something more, this is a non-issue.


It's also quite likely that he was led into a "trade me" remark by someone asking him questions about the Braves obvious glut of starting options and their well-publicized attempts to move a pitcher+ for offensive help in the OF. I don't find it hard to think of a scenario where sportswriter Q quite reasonably asks something like "There's been a lot of talk around the Braves of moving a starter; Jurrjens was shopped this winter, and now their rumors of Beachy to the White Sox. And last year your name came up a lot in trade speculation before the eventual deal that brought Bourn in from Houston. How do you feel about being dangled as trade bait like that, Mike?"

Queue up the "if I'm performing, and they don't have a spot for me here, I see no reason for them not to trade me" reply.

I have no idea if this is how it happened, but it's not unlikely that one of the Braves 427 potential starting pitchers was asked a question about being traded...
   14. JPWF1313 Posted: February 24, 2012 at 04:51 PM (#4068061)
Sam, whatever happened to Medlen?
   15. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: February 24, 2012 at 04:58 PM (#4068070)
Medlen returned from Tommy John surgery late last season and pitched well out of the pen. He was probably the lone bright spot during the month of collapse there at the end. He's slated to be in the pen again this year, basically replacing Peter Moylan (who had back surgery again, was released and resigned to a minor league deal to avoid arb costs.) In a perfect world he'll provide the holy trinity of O'Ventbrel a fourth dominant arm in late innings.

With that said, if the top guys are hurt and the baby-faced kids struggle, Medlen would have every opportunity to reclaim his spot in the rotation.
   16. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: February 24, 2012 at 05:30 PM (#4068102)
Today Mike is working on his backwards walk.

"I was trying to say I think this is the year I can make the team out of Spring Training and stay there," Minor said. "If I can't, and I keep going back to Triple-A this year and then next year, then I'd hope the Braves would trade me."


   17. rlc Posted: February 24, 2012 at 06:09 PM (#4068140)

If an opportunity appears, it will be key to see sharp, Minor.
   18. MM1f Posted: February 24, 2012 at 09:35 PM (#4068267)
Brandon Beachy has exactly one year of WTF awesomeness in his career - 2011.


False.

As for Minor, shut up rook.
   19. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: February 24, 2012 at 09:47 PM (#4068273)
False.


Is it your position that anyone saw Brandon Beachy coming before last spring?
   20. MM1f Posted: February 24, 2012 at 09:57 PM (#4068282)
Is it your position that anyone saw Brandon Beachy coming before last spring?


He was pretty en fuego for most of 2010 at AA and AAA.

Now, certainly no one saw 10.74 K/9 coming, but his 2010 season established him as a breakout young arm.

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