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Wednesday, November 28, 2012

Mike Napoli, Nick Swisher, And Cody Ross All “In Play” For Boston - Over the Monster

I can see this getting done. I doubt Napoli will see a lot of time behind the plate. The Sox would also need a lefty outfield complement for Ross. Keeping Saltalamacchia around wouldn’t hurt either. Even with these players the team wouldn’t have a great offense, but it wouldn’t be too bad either.

Jim Furtado Posted: November 28, 2012 at 12:09 PM | 30 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: November 28, 2012 at 12:26 PM (#4311389)
It seems to me that for better or worse the Sox are going all in on the young pitching they have (Barnes, Webster, De La Rosa) to augment the guys they already have (Doubront, Lester, Buchholz). I'd prefer to see them snag a Jackson or a Sanchez to join that group but unless the Sox are heavily under the radar the complete lack of noise on those guys suggests to me that the club is going to rely on the in house options for pitching for the next couple of years. If that works that's going to be a great plan (the Giants are the example to aspire to).
   2. Nasty Nate Posted: November 28, 2012 at 12:38 PM (#4311407)
I'd prefer to see them snag a Jackson or a Sanchez to join that group but unless the Sox are heavily under the radar the complete lack of noise on those guys suggests to me that the club is going to rely on the in house options for pitching for the next couple of years.


Hasn't there been a lack of noise with Jackson and Sanchez connected to any team?
   3. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: November 28, 2012 at 02:07 PM (#4311525)
I haven't read a lot about other teams. What strikes me is not just the lack of rumors but the lack of anything. It seems that every story about the Sox is focused on the hitters; Napoli, Ross, Hamilton, Mauer (saw that one today at ESPN), etc...It just seems that the people who should be "in the know" are not paying much attention to the pitchers.

The flaw in that is the assumption that the beat guys know what they are doing and have good information. They may not but it just seems that the lack of stories regarding the pitchers is a sign of a lack of interest by the Sox.

On the other hand, it may just be November 28th and I'm Jonesing for something to talk about.
   4. SG Posted: November 28, 2012 at 02:16 PM (#4311540)
Hasn't there been a lack of noise with Jackson and Sanchez connected to any team?


It's a brave new world. Hardly any free agents will cost teams draft picks now and there's that new TV money floating around. My guess is no one wants to show their hand yet. The rumor I've seen is that Greinke will end up signing the biggest contract ever signed by a pitcher, probably with the Dodgers. That seems crazy to me.
   5. Dan Posted: November 28, 2012 at 02:18 PM (#4311544)
I don't see how Ross is a fit with Gomes already in the fold.
   6. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Posted: November 28, 2012 at 02:21 PM (#4311549)
It doesn't seem too strange for the second-level FA starters to wait until Greinke sets the market and opens up other suitors.
   7. MHS Posted: November 28, 2012 at 02:32 PM (#4311558)
I'd love to see the Sox acquire Mauer. And I'd also like a pony. Ponys are cool.
   8. Nasty Nate Posted: November 28, 2012 at 02:36 PM (#4311566)
It's a brave new world. Hardly any free agents will cost teams draft picks now and there's that new TV money floating around. My guess is no one wants to show their hand yet. The rumor I've seen is that Greinke will end up signing the biggest contract ever signed by a pitcher, probably with the Dodgers. That seems crazy to me.


Maybe, but would that mean that several teams mis-read the economic landscape by not extending qualifying offers (E Jackson, Napoli etc)?
   9. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Posted: November 28, 2012 at 02:38 PM (#4311570)
I'd love to see the Sox acquire Mauer. And I'd also like a pony. Ponys are cool.

Eh, all the same, it's nice to see the front office at least inquiring about ponies, rather than just stockpiling donkeys.
   10. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: November 28, 2012 at 06:41 PM (#4311836)
Even with these players the team wouldn’t have a great offense, but it wouldn’t be too bad either.

Unfortunately when your SP are carrying a 5.00 ERA then it isn't going to matter.

Jackson and Sanchez, c'mon down!

I don't see how Ross is a fit with Gomes already in the fold.

Couldn't agree more. Money saved on Ross is money that needs to spent on SP.
   11. Swedish Chef Posted: November 28, 2012 at 06:44 PM (#4311838)
BJ Upton seems to be out of play, he has a deal with the Braves, pending medical.
   12. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: November 28, 2012 at 06:45 PM (#4311841)
For the record, the Braves just landed BJ Upton, and Nick Swisher was their second target once they closed the CF gap. Cody Ross is their backup plan there, too. Swisher would start in LF every day. Ross would start vs LHP with Prado moving to LF and Juan Francisco playing 3B against RHP.
   13. Dan Posted: November 28, 2012 at 06:46 PM (#4311843)
Upton never really seemed like he was on the radar for the Sox anyway.
   14. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: November 28, 2012 at 06:48 PM (#4311847)
I think Dan's right but I really wanted Upton. I think that contract is going to be a steal.
   15. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: November 28, 2012 at 06:50 PM (#4311848)
I mentioned Upton mostly because in the Braves' "best case scenario" he's the first domino to fall before they sign Swisher, who is being discussed here.
   16. Swedish Chef Posted: November 28, 2012 at 06:57 PM (#4311852)
I mentioned Upton because there was no thread and this seemed the most topical. Also, Upton was on many Sox fans wish list even if the team was cool.
   17. Swedish Chef Posted: November 28, 2012 at 07:02 PM (#4311855)
MLB twitter says 5/75 for Upton. Quite reasonable.
   18. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: November 28, 2012 at 07:18 PM (#4311863)
If teams are going to be throwing all this new TV money at free agents, Upton didn't seem to get much of it.
   19. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: November 28, 2012 at 08:35 PM (#4311937)
it's nice to see the front office at least inquiring about ponies, rather than just stockpiling donkeys.
Good line. And too true.
   20. Darren Posted: November 28, 2012 at 09:04 PM (#4311959)
Landing Swisher would allow the Sox the flexibility to land either Hamilton or Napoli, depending on who's the better deal.
   21. villageidiom Posted: November 28, 2012 at 10:03 PM (#4311990)
It seems to me that for better or worse the Sox are going all in on the young pitching they have (Barnes, Webster, De La Rosa) to augment the guys they already have (Doubront, Lester, Buchholz). I'd prefer to see them snag a Jackson or a Sanchez to join that group but unless the Sox are heavily under the radar the complete lack of noise on those guys suggests to me that the club is going to rely on the in house options for pitching for the next couple of years. If that works that's going to be a great plan (the Giants are the example to aspire to).

I think it's more likely that they will try to arrange a trade for pitching, but that they need more clarity on positional solutions first so they know who's being traded and whether they need to try to get more than just a pitcher.
   22. Darren Posted: November 28, 2012 at 10:17 PM (#4311996)
Why can't they buy hitting AND pitching? They have plenty left to get Swisher, Hamilton, and two starting pitchers if they want to.
   23. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: November 28, 2012 at 10:21 PM (#4311998)
They definitely can do both, I use find the lack of chatter on the subject interesting.
   24. Tuque Posted: November 28, 2012 at 10:38 PM (#4312009)
The rumor I've seen is that Greinke will end up signing the biggest contract ever signed by a pitcher, probably with the Dodgers. That seems crazy to me.

I like Greinke, and would like to see him on the Dodgers, but if he signs the biggest contract ever I am dreading the amount of #### my dad is going to give me about how he's a repeat of Kevin Brown.

I also hope the ignominies of LA traffic don't drive his fragile brain insane.
   25. villageidiom Posted: November 29, 2012 at 08:24 AM (#4312150)
Why can't hitting hitting and pitching? Name the last free agent pitcher the Red Sox have bought

EDIT: I mean free agent starter.
   26. tfbg9 Posted: November 29, 2012 at 09:44 AM (#4312167)
Umm...Lackey?
   27. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: November 29, 2012 at 10:11 AM (#4312193)
The Sox haven't signed a free agent starter in a little while, but I don't think we should necessarily see the 2009-2011 offseasons as highly predictive of their 2012 decisions. Everyone involved with the Red Sox has been clear that those offseasons were failures.
   28. villageidiom Posted: November 29, 2012 at 12:00 PM (#4312313)
I guess I shouldn't post through smartphone voice recognition while stopped at traffic lights. It produces choppy results while forcing me to be more succinct than required for the point I'm trying to make.

What I was getting at in #25 is that, even dating back to the start of the Epstein era, this team has generally avoided free agent starters; and when they do decide to seek out a free agent starter it usually involves significant injury eating up much of the contract value.

Matt Clement
David Wells
Brad Penny
Daisuke Matsuzaka
John Lackey

I don't care to argue whether, absent injury, these players would have been worth their contracts. That is a worthwhile thing to consider if we're evaluating FO decision-making. I mean, if they're identifying the wrong talent, that's one thing, while failing to identify nor prevent injuries is another. But that's not the point here.

The point is that this team has, under 10 years of ownership, never had a good track record of identifying free agent starters worth signing AND actually signing them AND having the deal work out well. They've done a much better job in trades, but that is to say they have some success stories there. They have not acquired starters through free agency with any real success that would suggest they can solve their starter problems through the FA market. This isn't projection of 2009-11; this is projection of 2002-11.
   29. jmurph Posted: November 29, 2012 at 01:00 PM (#4312400)
Sign Ross, platoon Gross and Sweeney ( if sweeney still is around )


Ahem, I got this one guys.

SWEENEY IS TERRIBLE.

Sorry, that's the role I fill on Sox Therapy/other Red Sox threads. Sweeney should not get at-bats for teams that are serious about winning. He's awful.

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