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Monday, March 19, 2012
Of course, if they want to match the pain that Napoli has inflicted on the Angels franchise in the past year or so, they’ll have to come up with a lot more “pranks.” Over the weekend when C.J. Wilson posted Mike Napoli‘s phone number to his 100,000-plus Twitter followers I just assumed it was a prank–albeit a pretty extreme one–but today Napoli made it very clear that he didn’t think it was funny. At all:
I don’t even know why he did it. You don’t do that. I am not taking it as a prank. You know, I haven’t even talked to him since the end of last season. We don’t have that type of relationship....
It all started when Napoli said he looked forward to hitting homers off Wilson, but those are not exactly fighting words. Wilson eventually deleted the tweet, but obviously the damage was done by then and calling it a “prank” after the fact seems like a stretch.
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1. Walt Davis Posted: March 19, 2012 at 08:29 PM (#4084731)"Yo, Mike ... man, trading you for Vernon Wells has to be the stupidest trade in history. Glad to see you doing well. Tony."
"Naps, bro, you are just ... the bomb, y'know. Hope you sign with the Angels when you're a free agent. Al."
"You suck! Mike S."
That's a pretty heavy dis. I don't think going public with his phone number is exactly sporting, but I can understand why he wanted to get back at him.
And you expected what exactly from a professional athlete?
CJ continued to be a dick. Fans took exception to the "prank" and he responded to one:
It shouldn't phase me in this age of people readily sharing personal information with the world, but I'm always surprised when I see people on Facebook publicly post their phone number for those "uh oh lost my phone, need your numbers" things.
yes, cj wilson, you acted like an #######.
i hope napoli takes him deep. a lot.
dumbass.
It shouldn't phase me in this age of people readily sharing personal information with the world, but I'm always surprised when I see people on Facebook publicly post their phone number for those "uh oh lost my phone, need your numbers" things.
While I can understand why Mike Napoli would be pissed about it, being a celebrity and all, I'm not sure why it would be an issue for the rest of us. Why would I care if someone who doesn't know me has my phone number? Hell, my home number's been in the book for 20 years, and that's never been an issue. I don't see why a cell is any different.
(And this is no defense of Wilson, whose actions were dickish).
Plus, I just assume there are 'bots that troll the web for phone numbers just like they do for email addresses?
It's easier to mix them up when you're 'faced.
My GF works for craigslist and has to track this #### down. This is actually a crime. If the person you do this to presses charges and the police get a subpoena, you will get a nasty fine.
Also, you're an #######, and it's not funny.
How can this be a crime? I don't believe that. How could Craigslist enforce this in every different city? Someone please enlighten us as to how this is a crime.
If I post a sign in a public place that says "Free beer! First come, first serve!" and list someone else's address/phone number, then I'm definitely committing fraud, right?
If I do it because I know that person will be repeatedly bothered by phone calls and visitors, then isn't that some sort of harassment?
Why couldn't it be considered fraud? Now I agree enforcement would be difficult, but if you get caught posting someone else's contact information online for an item that is not for sale, I don't see why that indivdiual couldn't/shouldn't be prosecuted.
Edit: Coke to RTG.
Ah, the last ditch play of the police/prosecutors.
"We've got nothing on these guys, but we need to hold them for a few more hours."
"Charge them with 'public mischief', and then drop the charges tomorrow morning."
"Great idea!"
How are you going to value 'inconvenience' though. Changing your number, and making sure everybody who needs it has it, is a huge hassle, but it doesn't cost anything apart from maybe a few calls.
You know, the 'he makes so much money' envy card works a lot better when you aren't making even more. I vote somebody trash Wilson's car. When you make 15m a year, a new one is basically free.
Well, I had the idea because a friend of mine did that to another friend. And you are right on the first count, he is an #######, but wrong on the second. It was very funny, possibly because friend number 2 is also an #######.
I also had a friend whose uncle did it to him accidentally. He legitimately thought it was a good way to get rid of the broken hot tub. My friend came back to his phone and found over 100 messages in a half hour. This was also funny.
I guess I'm looking for a lawyer to drop in here and explain how this could possibly be illegal. What about writing someone's phone number on the bathroom wall with the phrase, "for a good time call...." It's clear that it's not a nice thing to do, but how can it be illegal? Still don't buy it.
Now I'm not a lawyer and haven't got the slightest clue about American law, but why is it so inconceivable to you that that behavior could be illegal? Last time I looked there wasn't anything in the Constitution about the sacred right to small-scale harassment.
Well, if they were not, in fact, a good time, it could be false advertising.
In the NFL, opponents send hookers to your hotel room. Or, at least, they used to.
DB
Look, the problem with the law is that any attempt to stop an undesirable behavior has the anticipated, perhaps, but unintended effect of stopping other perfectly acceptable behaviors. I'd like to know what the law is, how it works, why it was passed, etc. If there are court cases, even better, because then we can read the rationale right in the court record.
I'm not saying it's inconceivable, but you're all grasping at straws trying to guess which legal umbrella it falls under: "Could it be harassment? How about fraud? How about public mischief?"
Harassment has a specific legal definition. As does fraud, and so does public mischief. I don't know what they are, and neither do you, and so that's why I want an expert opinion here with some real proof. Once again, it's not inconceivable, it would be strange to me to prohibit such innocuous but otherwise annoying behavior. But some guy's girlfriend trying to track down phone numbers on Craigslist is not the best evidence that something is illegal. I can imagine that you could sue someone in civil court for damages, but that is not the same thing as the police showing up at your door, taking you to jail, reading you your rights and giving you a trial by jury.
My guess is that it's not illegal at all. And like other annoying behaviors, you can be sued for damages by the party, but no public prosecutor is going to trying the case against you.
How do I sign up for this NFL thing?
Well, if tshipman is to believed (which it seems you have decided he isn't), then Napoli would have to first decide to press charges. But then again, I'm not a lawyer, so I probably should keep my own piehole shut or face your considerable wrath on this issue. (-:
You seem to be confusing two different things. Publishing someone's telephone number is probably not criminal. Doing it in connection with a phony advertisement designed specifically to cause annoyance would fit the definition of petty harassment under numerous criminal codes.
Finally, an actual lawyer. OK, so petty harassment is the charge. That's what I wanted to know.
Does someone have to press charges? And is this the type of thing you spend time in jail for?
Also: SoSHU: I think my "wrath" is more like frustration with my own ignorance. Not only could I not explain why I was having a hard time believing the proffered explanations, the explanations themselves were not helping me.
But you also get phased out.
Here's Hawaii's (coincidence, not because I'm responding to Srul... it was the first hit on google) harassment statute:
I don't think posting someone's phone number even with the intent for others to spam call would count under the statute. Perhaps you'd have to claim "solicitation to harassment" if you wanted some criminal charge? I suspect that there's some case law but I no longer have access to free searches; I'd be surprised if this were a case of first impression.
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