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Monday, May 30, 2011

Mike Rizzo won’t trade Ivan Rodriguez for a ‘quick fix’

And, according to F(ace). P(alm). Santangelo…“He hasn’t lost a thing!”

The Nationals, though, will not part with him for a pittance, and they are not actively seeking out a trade for him. General Manager Mike Rizzo made clear today, in a phone conversation with Boz, that it will not be easy to trade Rodriguez.

“To move him, it would have to be a good deal that helps us long term, not a quick fix trade for offense to get us to the time when Ryan Zimmerman is back,” Rizzo said. “Pudge would be a big piece for a contending team if they needed a catcher.”

Rodriguez, hitting .211/.259/.342, has seen his playing time steadily diminish as he has become the backup for rookie Wilson Ramos. Rodriguez has started five of the Nationals’ last 15 games.

Still, Rizzo sees value both in Rodriguez’s on-field contributions and off-field attitude. Rodriguez has gracefully accepted his station with the Nationals, eager to help Ramos and never complaining about his shrinking responsibility.

“We still need him here,” Rizzo said. “His value to us has only risen since he got here and especially this year. The way he’s worked with Wilson Ramos, he’s proved it’s not show or B.S. He’s embraced the city of Washington. He wants to stay here. So, somebody would have to come up with a piece that would help us in our long-term future.”

Repoz Posted: May 30, 2011 at 11:34 PM | 21 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: May 31, 2011 at 12:02 AM (#3841150)
Before the snark, I just want to say that this is a good way of not stating the obvious. Everyone knows that Pudge isn't going to get much in return. That said, he is more valuable to the team than anything they could get in return for him.

It doesn't look like Pudge is going to make it to 3000 hits.
   2. starving to death with a full STEAGLES Posted: May 31, 2011 at 12:23 AM (#3841173)
“His value to us has only risen since he got here and especially this year. The way he’s worked with Wilson Ramos, he’s proved it’s not show or B.S. He’s embraced the city of Washington. He wants to stay here. So, somebody would have to come up with a piece that would help us in our long-term future.”
if they view pudge as being this important, i'd hope the phillies would make a competitive offer to take derek norris off their hands.
   3. Jacob Posted: May 31, 2011 at 12:25 AM (#3841175)
It doesn't look like Pudge is going to make it to 3000 hits.


I figure most teams would take him as a back-up catcher. He' still a great catcher & can definitely help a young catcher. He just can't hit (OBP being the worst aspect). I think it depends more on whether he wants 3,000 hits that badly (which I'm pretty sure he does). Three 50-75 hit seasons & he's in...
   4. Tuque Posted: May 31, 2011 at 03:08 AM (#3841296)
It doesn't look like Pudge is going to make it to 3000 hits.

The Nationals are already pretty bad. Maybe they should accept their fate, stick him in as the everyday catcher, and let him gargle his way to 3,000 hits.
   5. Bourbon Samurai Posted: May 31, 2011 at 03:19 AM (#3841301)
The Nats have a good young catcher, and by all accounts Rodriguez is a good mentor and he's certainly been a good soldier. If he isn't dying for one last shot at a ring, no need to trade him.
   6. Natty Fan Posted: May 31, 2011 at 03:29 AM (#3841305)
#1 and #5 - I agree. Pudge won't fetch anything in a trade worth more than what he already provides them: a solid defensive backup catcher, and one year of mentoring Wilson Ramos. That being said, I can see the Nats trading Pudge as a courtesy should some playoff-bound team request his services in August.
   7. Bourbon Samurai Posted: May 31, 2011 at 03:37 AM (#3841311)
He seems to want to stay and he already has a ring. I could see him sticking out the year.
   8. Something Other Posted: May 31, 2011 at 05:01 AM (#3841341)
I figure most teams would take him as a back-up catcher. He' still a great catcher & can definitely help a young catcher. He just can't hit (OBP being the worst aspect). I think it depends more on whether he wants 3,000 hits that badly (which I'm pretty sure he does). Three 50-75 hit seasons & he's in...
I dunno about this. You're talking about the age 40, 41, and 42 seasons of a catcher. BBRef has his fielding as average, not great. Every two years his OPS+ drops another 10 points (a little odd, that) and he's right at replacement level this season. I'd bet serious coin his bat will be worse than useless by 2013, burying even the unlikely scenario where as one of the oldest catchers in history he's still average behind the plate.
   9. Howie Menckel Posted: May 31, 2011 at 05:10 AM (#3841343)
He wants 3,000 hits, and has said so many times. He'll Early Winn it - hit the 3,000/300 number, and walk away.

Taking what Baseball HQ's Ron Shandler calls the "Steve Carlton path to retirement."

Play long enough past your prime that the HOF voters have to jog their memories as to both being all-time greats.
Which they were.
   10. Walt Davis Posted: May 31, 2011 at 05:34 AM (#3841346)
Rizzo can't really say anything but this. First, he wants to drive up Pudge's value. Second, if he says something like "we'll entertain any reasonable offer" or, worse, "sure I've been talking with the Giants" then there's a line of reporters in front of Pudge's locker asking for a comment.

I did like the bit about "we're not gonna trade him for some short-term offensive punch to carry us until Zimmerman is back." Like the Nats are in it and like anybody would give them a ML player for Pudge. OK, the Giants probably would gladly trade them Rowand.
   11. Joey B. Posted: May 31, 2011 at 12:15 PM (#3841392)
I figure most teams would take him as a back-up catcher.

Seriously? I'm not sure at all how you figure this.

According to ESPN.com, he's currently 56th among all catchers in OPS, and that's with his old body getting lots of rest. He's not even a good backup catcher any more.
   12. John Northey Posted: May 31, 2011 at 02:41 PM (#3841478)
Remember, this is a guy who has caught 2413 ML games so far. #2 all time is Carlton Fisk at 2226 (he held on to get there, passing Bob Boone by 1 game). I-Rod has caught 187 more games than anyone else in the history of baseball. That is a LOT of games behind the plate.

What about minor league games caught? Fisk did catch 272 games in the minors, but I-Rod caught 241 so no big difference there. Boone caught just 169 (plus 151 games at 3B). Gary Carter caught 2056 (plus 135 in the minors) while Jason Kendall is the only other 2000 games caught guy with 2025 ML and 263 minor league.

I just don't see I-Rod holding on for very long as he is already far past the point all other catchers broke down. His last above 100 OPS+ was in 2004, last 90+ 2006, last 80+ 2008. There just isn't much left in the tank so 167 hits is out of reach unless he can somehow push his bat back to at least an 80 OPS+.
   13. Bitter Mouse Posted: May 31, 2011 at 02:45 PM (#3841482)
Maybe the Twins should trade for him, they need catching help. Sigh.
   14. GEB4000 Posted: May 31, 2011 at 05:41 PM (#3841614)
Omar Vizquel looks like he as a better chance at 3,000 hits now. The battle of the ancient back-ups continues.
   15. DL from MN Posted: May 31, 2011 at 06:13 PM (#3841629)
He is still better than Drew Butera. Backup catchers aren't the easiest thing to find, especially if they're willing to mentor a younger catcher. Pudge is below even odds of getting 3000 hits but he still has a shot. The key is whether he's willing to take the minimum salary.
   16. Jacob Posted: May 31, 2011 at 06:15 PM (#3841631)
I dunno about this. You're talking about the age 40, 41, and 42 seasons of a catcher. BBRef has his fielding as average, not great. Every two years his OPS+ drops another 10 points (a little odd, that) and he's right at replacement level this season. I'd bet serious coin his bat will be worse than useless by 2013, burying even the unlikely scenario where as one of the oldest catchers in history he's still average behind the plate.


I realize he's younger, but Jason Kendall was putting up terrible numbers (OPS+ included) & he still got signed by the Brewers & Royals. Of course, they were bad deals.
   17. The Good Face Posted: May 31, 2011 at 06:29 PM (#3841644)
He is still better than Drew Butera. Backup catchers aren't the easiest thing to find, especially if they're willing to mentor a younger catcher. Pudge is below even odds of getting 3000 hits but he still has a shot. The key is whether he's willing to take the minimum salary.


Yeah, if Pudge is willing to embrace the mentor/"good clubhouse guy" role and accept backup status, he's got a chance at hanging around for a couple more years. But even that's conditional on him not being a complete and total offensive zero. If he's putting up a 450 OPS, no amount of mentoring is going to get him into the lineup.
   18. Walt Davis Posted: May 31, 2011 at 10:23 PM (#3841836)
Oh how quickly they forget the legendary career of Brad Ausmus!!

Ages 32-41: 241/313/319, 64 OPS+, 2.8 WAR, 3692 PA

Once they've got the rep, they can always find jobs and they decide when it's time to retire.*

But, 167 hits on 200 PA a year when you can't hit about 230 anymore ... that's a long haul. And doesn't he already have the record (by a mile) for hits by a C? There's no need for him to hang on for 3000 hits and it wouldn't surprise me if it was 40 years before somebody really challenged his hits or games caught records.

*Exaggeration but not by much.
   19. The Most Interesting Man In The World Posted: May 31, 2011 at 11:18 PM (#3841881)
My money is on the Giants picking him up.
   20.     Hey Gurl Posted: May 31, 2011 at 11:32 PM (#3841895)
On this day I learned that Ivan Rodriguez is still playing baseball.
   21. A triple short of the cycle Posted: May 31, 2011 at 11:37 PM (#3841908)
It's not just you, Shock. My first reaction when I saw the headline was to wonder if this guy is related to (e.g., the son of) the Ivan Rodriguez who used to catch for the Rangers.

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