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Milwaukee Brewers’ Ryan Braun ‘dodged a bullet’: Dick Pound

Pound-for-pound the greatest Dick of all time!

Milwaukee Brewers slugger Ryan Braun won his appeal on a procedural technicality and his claims of innocence are false, says a Canadian anti-doping expert.

“He’s won on a very thin legal technicality that has no substantive value at all,” said Dick Pound, the former head of the World Anti-Doping Agency.

“He’s running around saying that he’s cleared is a misstatement. Anybody who’s at all neutral in this is going to say, ‘Well, he dodged a bullet with that.’ ”

...Word that Braun tested positive for levels of testosterone five times the normal leaked to media in December, but the California-born left fielder has vociferously denied the allegations against him.

“This is a 20:1 ratio (of testosterone to epitestosterone) — give me a … break,” Pound said, adding that storing the sample in a fridge over a weekend would not change its contents.

“There was no sign of any tampering, so I don’t understand how a properly formed independent panel could come to the conclusion that that invalidated the test,” Pound said. “It’s not sitting there in the fridge generating false testosterone.”

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   1. Flynn Posted: February 24, 2012 at 04:45 PM (#4068053)
Ah, go pound dick, Dick Pound.
   2. Darren Posted: February 24, 2012 at 04:45 PM (#4068054)
Nobody ever thinks THEY won on a technicality. It's always someone else who's getting away with something.
   3. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: February 24, 2012 at 04:51 PM (#4068060)
It's always someone else who's getting away with something.

In this case Ryan Braun, who tested positive for synthetic testosterone in a valid test (*), only to have the test overturned on the most technical of technicalities.

(*) Barring new information coming to light.
   4. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: February 24, 2012 at 04:55 PM (#4068065)
"If the courier don't flit, you must acquit."
   5. Mattbert Posted: February 24, 2012 at 05:06 PM (#4068075)
The only reasonable conclusion to be drawn here is that Ryan Braun is five times manlier than the normally manly man.

Chicks dig the big balls. And if that's a crime, I don't wanna be innocent.
   6. valuearbitrageur Posted: February 24, 2012 at 05:14 PM (#4068085)
In this case Ryan Braun, who tested positive for synthetic testosterone in a valid test (*), only to have the test overturned on the most technical of technicalities.

(*) Barring new information coming to light.


No new information will come to light to convince the unconvince-able.

Because you willfully ignore the collector who drove past 20+ open fed ex locations, who claimed he stored the sample on his home desk (no fridge, sorry Dick), for two days, and didn't deliver it to Fed-Ex until 6 hours after it opened when he finally did bring it in. And who never even documented what happened, almost as if he was trying to cover it up.

You also ignore that the samples aren't tamper proof in that scenario, and that there are hugely important reasons to get the samples out of the collectors hands because they aren't confidential until you do.

Finally, you ignore that fact that the test broker records for testosterone levels, from a guy who can show he has virtually no muscle mass gains or changes over 6 years, and who has passed over 25 tests during that period.

So if this is a "valid test", I shudder to think what it would take to convince you a test isn't valid.
   7. Darren Posted: February 24, 2012 at 05:14 PM (#4068086)
The test wasn't valid.
   8. Darren Posted: February 24, 2012 at 05:15 PM (#4068088)
You also ignore that the samples aren't tamper proof in that scenario, and that there are hugely important reasons to get the samples out of the collectors hands because they aren't confidential until you do.


But Lupica said it was triple sealed. TRIPLE!
   9. Ray (RDP) Posted: February 24, 2012 at 05:20 PM (#4068090)
“There was no sign of any tampering,


Tom Cruise: "Doctor, was there any sign of foul play?"

Kevin Pollack: "You mean, other than the dead body?"

Tom Cruise: "Damnit, I walk into that one every time!"

----

There may not have in fact been any tampering involved. But if the agreed-upon procedures weren't followed, it's kind of silly to complain that there was "no sign of tampering." One loses the grounds to make that argument, in my view.
   10. Brian Posted: February 24, 2012 at 05:20 PM (#4068091)
Why have rules and procedures if not following them doesn't invalidate the tests?
Now that we're done with beauty contest portion of the program can we move on to an investigation of the only crime committed: the leak of this information?
   11. Gary Truth Serum Posted: February 24, 2012 at 05:21 PM (#4068094)
Just in case you were wondering just how objective Dick Pound can be about steroid use in professional athletes:

Shying away from the bee’s nest that was stirred up last time he was at UWO, he indicated only that he believes that there is no evidence of doping in the NHL because they refuse to test the players. This differs from the last statement, where he suggested over a third of NHL’ers used steroids. It was later held that he made up the figure, but since the statement a number of NHL’ers have tested positive.

http://ryanvenables.ca/tag/dick-pound/
   12. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: February 24, 2012 at 05:21 PM (#4068095)
Dick by the Pound.
   13. mathesond Posted: February 24, 2012 at 05:25 PM (#4068098)
Nobody ever thinks THEY won on a technicality.

I beat a (hashish) possession charge on a technicality.
   14. SouthSideRyan Posted: February 24, 2012 at 05:38 PM (#4068109)
VA, why do you keep bringing up the fact that it wasn't refrigerated as evidence for contamination? You could stick the piss on a radiator, it's not going to spontaneously generate synthetic testosterone.
   15. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: February 24, 2012 at 05:40 PM (#4068110)
A man named Dick Pound must be made fun of without a shred of mercy, if for no other reason that he doesn't insist on being called Richard Pound, or maybe Rick Pound. I mean, you might as well wear a KICK ME sign on your back.

(checks wiki) His full name is Richard William Duncan Pound. He could've been William Pound, or Bill Pound. Or Duncan Pound, which is actually kinda awesome. Or even R.W.D. Pound. But no. Dick. Pound. What a maroon.
   16. Spahn Insane Posted: February 24, 2012 at 05:43 PM (#4068114)
Know how we know Braun's lying? He was born in California. (Seriously--why mention his place of birth in this context?)
   17. Brian C Posted: February 24, 2012 at 05:45 PM (#4068116)
VA, why do you keep bringing up the fact that it wasn't refrigerated as evidence for contamination?

Not to speak for VA, but I think it's worthwhile, just to show how little effort Braun's detractors have given towards getting their facts straight.
   18. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 24, 2012 at 05:47 PM (#4068117)
(checks wiki) His full name is Richard William Duncan Pound. He could've been William Pound, or Bill Pound. Or Duncan Pound, which is actually kinda awesome. Or even R.W.D. Pound. But no. Dick. Pound. What a maroon.


I suppose we should be grateful he doesn't go by Dick Will Pound.
   19. Monty Predicts a Padres-Mariners WS in 2016 Posted: February 24, 2012 at 05:53 PM (#4068123)
He’s won on a very thin legal technicality


Not just a technicality but a legal technicality. Not just a legal technicality but a thin legal technicality. Not just a thin legal technicality but a very thin legal technicality.
   20. Brian C Posted: February 24, 2012 at 06:00 PM (#4068132)
Not just a technicality but a legal technicality. Not just a legal technicality but a thin legal technicality. Not just a thin legal technicality but a very thin legal technicality.

Why stop there? It's not just a very thin legal technicality, but a very thin legal technicality that has no value. And not just a very thin legal technicality that has no value, but a very thin legal technicality that has no substantive value. And not just a very thin legal technicality that has no substantive value, but a very thin legal technicality that has no substantive value at all.

NewtSpeak, ftw.
   21. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: February 24, 2012 at 06:01 PM (#4068133)
Not to speak for VA, but I think it's worthwhile, just to show how little effort Braun's detractors have given towards getting their facts straight.


I think it's more an issue of competence of the testing process. The procedures exist for a reason (presumably). That they were not adhered to makes me question the validity of the procedure.

It's like 5th grade math class. You don't just get to get the right answer, you have to show your work. If you don't put a little "1" above the top number showing that you carried it we have no way of knowing if you are really learning the process or simply got lucky.

Braun may well be juiced up with more stuff than...well whatever comp you want. To suspend him for this would have been wrong because the process that all parties have agreed to was not followed.
   22. Bourbon Samurai Posted: February 24, 2012 at 06:04 PM (#4068137)
His full name is Richard William Duncan Pound. He could've been William Pound, or Bill Pound. Or Duncan Pound, which is actually kinda awesome. Or even R.W.D. Pound. But no. Dick. Pound. What a maroon.


Actually this makes me like him a lot more. He refused to take the path of least resistance.
   23. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: February 24, 2012 at 06:07 PM (#4068138)
Know how we know Braun's lying? He was born in California. (Seriously--why mention his place of birth in this context?)



Ryan Braun, who shares a last name with Hitler's mistress...
   24. Nasty Nate Posted: February 24, 2012 at 06:13 PM (#4068144)
Braun didn't dodge a bullet when God was handing out googly eyes.
   25. JoeHova Posted: February 24, 2012 at 06:24 PM (#4068160)
Why wouldn't a guy want to be known as Dick Pound? It's like being named Kick Ass or Get Money or Snort Coke. In other words, it's something everybody likes to do.
   26. Ray (RDP) Posted: February 24, 2012 at 06:25 PM (#4068161)
Irregardless, for all intensive purposes this is a very thin, very legal, very technical, technicality that literally needs to be nipped in the butt by Dick Pound who is chomping at the bit to do so, so that people like Mike Lupica who are in the throws of rage with deep seeded fears that steroids users will break the records of their boyhood idols (the true roll models) can stop saying whoa is me. We should make this alright. We have nothing to loose by doing this, and it should be done discretely and within the next physical year.
   27. Spahn Insane Posted: February 24, 2012 at 06:30 PM (#4068166)
Ryan Braun, who shares a last name with Hitler's mistress...

Heh. Yes, if Hitler were around today and a baseball fan, his favorite player would surely be none other than the Hebrew Hammer himself. :-)
   28. Willie Mayspedester Posted: February 24, 2012 at 06:31 PM (#4068167)
ryan_braun_dodged_a_bullet_dick_pound


Great thread URL ending on this one.

I can only imagine what a bullet dick pound would look like.
   29. Willie Mayspedester Posted: February 24, 2012 at 06:35 PM (#4068170)
#24 Well done my co-worker just asked if I was alright because I coughed trying to stop from laughing.
   30. Ron J Posted: February 24, 2012 at 06:48 PM (#4068179)
#3 But it's the flip side of strict liability. Where you're not allowed to argue good faith mistake (as for instance is reasonably clear in the case of J. C. Romero) then it seems reasonable to impose standards of strict procedural liability on the testing organization.
   31. Barnaby Jones Posted: February 24, 2012 at 07:01 PM (#4068185)
“There was no sign of any tampering, so I don’t understand how a properly formed independent panel could come to the conclusion that that invalidated the test,” Pound said. “It’s not sitting there in the fridge generating false testosterone.”


Then maybe you shouldn't opine on situations you don't understand.
   32. Ron J Posted: February 24, 2012 at 07:04 PM (#4068188)
#22 He actually was a friend of my mother. She both liked and admired him a great deal. (I first met him a long time ago. Didn't go all that well. One of those awkward, "So you're Pat's son."" with a mumbled response. In other words, can't say I actually know him)

And his unwillingness to take the path of least resistance probably cost him the IOC presidency (assigned the job of investigating corruption in the IOC in the wake of the process that awarded Salt Lake City the games, he actually did investigate, and was quite outspoken on the matter. Not what people had in mind.)
   33. Ron J Posted: February 24, 2012 at 07:08 PM (#4068190)
#31 I think you'll find he argued exactly this way when Tyler Hamilton's positive test was invalidated by a problem with the B sample. I know he argued this way when the retro-testing of Lance Armstrong's old samples came back as positive (no B sample? Who cares, B samples rarely give different results)
   34. puck Posted: February 24, 2012 at 07:14 PM (#4068196)
At some point, Richards stopped going by Dick, right? What year was that? Seems like mostly older guys go by "Dick" instead of Rich or Rick.
   35. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: February 24, 2012 at 07:23 PM (#4068202)
It's not a lemon party without old Dick.
   36. Foghorn Leghorn Posted: February 24, 2012 at 07:48 PM (#4068218)
Because you willfully ignore the collector who drove past 20+ open fed ex locations, who claimed he stored the sample on his home desk (no fridge, sorry Dick), for two days, and didn't deliver it to Fed-Ex until 6 hours after it opened when he finally did bring it in. And who never even documented what happened, almost as if he was trying to cover it up.

You also ignore that the samples aren't tamper proof in that scenario, and that there are hugely important reasons to get the samples out of the collectors hands because they aren't confidential until you do.

Finally, you ignore that fact that the test broker records for testosterone levels, from a guy who can show he has virtually no muscle mass gains or changes over 6 years, and who has passed over 25 tests during that period.
I don't get why any of that matters? Does the sample need to be refrigerated? Do you have a copy of the method validation report? So the collector was tired and just wanted to go home. It in no way screams malice. or "almost as if".

Testing negative a bunch before testing positive you say? Maybe he was tipped off all the other times? Check out marijuana testing in college athletes. They get a call and make sure they are careful. Ever notice how we don't hear about many college athletes getting busted for pit? Why do you think that is? The ones I knew said they got tipped off that they were on thelist and would dodge the test through one manner or another.

You think MLB athletes don't have better systems? This isn't about a conspiracy, but people that just want to "help" Ryan Braun. It doesn't matter if he is clean or not - knowing the test is coming is nice.
   37. The Non-Catching Molina (sjs1959) Posted: February 24, 2012 at 08:16 PM (#4068230)
36, what part of DUE PROCESS do you have difficulty grasping?
   38. spike Posted: February 24, 2012 at 08:17 PM (#4068233)
Look, if the mere whisper of an allegation is enough to derail a guys career/HoF chances, is it asking too much that the league could bother to have stringent, professional standards in place and adhere to them, and just dismiss or re-test if they aren't followed?

Not leaking premature results would be nice too, but there's too much money/sanctimony around to hope for that, I suppose.
   39. alilisd Posted: February 24, 2012 at 09:12 PM (#4068254)
A man named Dick Pound must be made fun of without a shred of mercy, if for no other reason that he doesn't insist on being called Richard Pound, or maybe Rick Pound. I mean, you might as well wear a KICK ME sign on your back.


At my high school, the Head Janitor's (yes, Head)last name was Holder. His first name was Richard, but he went by Dick. Dick Holder, Head Janitor. Yep, talk about a KICK ME sign!
   40. Bob Tufts Posted: February 24, 2012 at 09:23 PM (#4068261)
Is this the same Dick Pound that said large cash distributions related to the site selection process for the Winter Olympics in Utah to people were not bribes but "were payments, I think, to encourage good feelings about Salt Lake"?

I wonder if Dick Pound hired Hugh Jass as an attorney during the SLOC investigations?

   41. Bob Tufts Posted: February 24, 2012 at 09:33 PM (#4068265)
And I see that for the second sample they used a Isotope Ratio Mass Spectrometry test.

I guess George Wilbur used a a dual-column gas chromatograph, Hewlett-Packard model 5710a with flame analyzing detectors on the first sample.

   42. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: February 24, 2012 at 09:40 PM (#4068269)
I guess George Wilbur used a a dual-column gas chromatograph, Hewlett-Packard model 5710a with flame analyzing detectors on the first sample.
Does that thing come turbo-charged?
   43. cardsfanboy Posted: February 24, 2012 at 09:46 PM (#4068272)
Not to speak for VA, but I think it's worthwhile, just to show how little effort Braun's detractors have given towards getting their facts straight.


Exactly. You have people complaining that this was won only a technicality, then they spout off something that is factually wrong. How can that persons opinion have any validity, when it's VERY clear, they haven't researched even the most basic components of the case.
   44. Squash Posted: February 24, 2012 at 09:49 PM (#4068275)
Does that thing come turbo-charged?

Only on the floor model.
   45. Mattbert Posted: February 24, 2012 at 09:51 PM (#4068277)
It's not a lemon party without old Dick.

You are a bad man, Larry Mahnken. A bad, bad man.
   46. depletion Posted: February 24, 2012 at 10:43 PM (#4068298)
#25 JoeHova this is priceless
Why wouldn't a guy want to be known as Dick Pound? It's like being named Kick Ass or Get Money or Snort Coke. In other words, it's something everybody likes to do.

When I grow up, I gonna change my name to Kick Ass.
   47. Ray (RDP) Posted: February 25, 2012 at 02:49 AM (#4068433)
I don't get why any of that matters? Does the sample need to be refrigerated? Do you have a copy of the method validation report? So the collector was tired and just wanted to go home. It in no way screams malice. or "almost as if".


It may not mean that Braun did nothing wrong, but I just think it's a basic fairness issue. If the stakes are so high (suspension, millions of dollars, reputation, Hall of Fame chances), and the agreement has to be abided to by the players (particularly strict liability), then the agreement should be abided to by MLB. And so if they don't follow protocol, the test should be thrown out. Is it too much to ask that they follow protocol when so much is at stake for the player? Why bother having the collection rules if they can just be ignored while some guy whose job it is to follow the rules takes the sample home with him instead of driving to FedEx? Why should a player have to show that the sample was actually tampered with in that case? Again, what's the point of having the rules, then?
   48. Ray (RDP) Posted: February 25, 2012 at 02:50 AM (#4068434)
I knew a Rick Shock years ago. His father was Richard and went by Dick.
   49. esseff Posted: February 25, 2012 at 03:02 AM (#4068438)
Ryan Braun, who shares a last name with Hitler's mistress...

Heh. Yes, if Hitler were around today and a baseball fan, his favorite player would surely be none other than the Hebrew Hammer himself. :-)


Of course, he also shares the Braun name with one of baseball's great pitchers
   50. cardsfanboy Posted: February 25, 2012 at 03:06 AM (#4068441)
It may not mean that Braun did nothing wrong, but I just think it's a basic fairness issue. If the stakes are so high (suspension, millions of dollars, reputation, Hall of Fame chances), and the agreement has to be abided to by the players (particularly strict liability), then the agreement should be abided to by MLB. And so if they don't follow protocol, the test should be thrown out. Is it too much to ask that they follow protocol when so much is at stake for the player? Why bother having the collection rules if they can just be ignored while some guy whose job it is to follow the rules takes the sample home with him instead of driving to FedEx? Why should a player have to show that the sample was actually tampered with in that case? Again, what's the point of having the rules, then?


But you are missing the point of the alarmist. They don't care if the test was thrown out by an arbitrator. Remember these are the same people that backne is good enough for them, that are willing to crucify Sosa because his name was leaked one time in a report that has been refused to be repeated again by the paper that originally carried it. Heck Bagwell used because when he was in double A he didn't have much power and Caminiti was his teamate. The test is positive, therefore all evidence points to the fact that he is guilty. Mind you all the other rumors that happened aren't credible, the rumor about the test being so high, that no test on record has ever seen a test that high...that rumor should be ignored because it is just heresay etc. But this test that was tainted by chain of custody, was still a good test. There is no winning ever with these guys. They get to pick and choose which innuendo works for their witch hunting ways.

   51. Ron J Posted: February 25, 2012 at 08:09 AM (#4068459)
#50 You do know that it's Chris Dial that Ray is responding to, right. Chris is anything but a steroid alarmist and has specific knowledge of what goes on with testing.

Incidentally it seems likely to me that the whole issue of what to do if there's a violation of chain of custody was never addressed. This for instance is all that's in the NCAA's section on Chain of Custody.

7.0. Chain of Custody.
7.1. The collector will deliver the shipping case(s) to the carrier.

7.2. A laboratory employee will record that the shipping case(s) has been received from the carrier.

7.3. The laboratory will record whether the numbered bar-code seal on each vial arrived intact.

7.3.1. If a specimen arrives at the laboratory with security seals not intact, the NCAA may collect another specimen.

Chris is arguing that the sample doesn't require special storage (and as I say, he has specific knowledge here, though I'd ask him to think about the possible consequences of improper storage. I'd think the risks would be all about possible false negatives, but that's strictly a WAG) so that as long as the seals are still intact it's still good for testing.

Personally I'd think the right way to proceed is to go to step 7.3.1 as soon as there's a violation of the chain of custody. Re-test ASAP, don't even bother with the initial sample.

   52. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: February 25, 2012 at 08:30 AM (#4068461)
26...Are you auditioning to be Keefe's understudy?
   53. bunyon Posted: February 25, 2012 at 09:08 AM (#4068465)
I guess George Wilbur used a a dual-column gas chromatograph, Hewlett-Packard model 5710a with flame analyzing detectors on the first sample.

The 5710 was a much better GC than all the other HP GCs that came after. Sure, it didn't have a PC running it and you had to record on that heat-sensitive strip paper but, damn, you could kick the machine down a flight of stairs into a swamp and have it up and running within 10 minutes of retrieving it. I love that ####### machine.


On the issue, now that we have hundreds of articles and dozens of threads, I'm totally lost as to what happened:


a) was the sample refrigerated at the courier's house or not?
b) was the B sample negative for synthetic T?

If that answer to B is no, then that should do it. An unrepeatable test, for whatever reason, is not one on which to hang your hat. It would also show that the mishandling did affect the samples in some way. If the sample isn't handled properly, it shouldn't be on the accused to show that the mishandling caused a weird result, it should be on the accuser.

I think another question in all the hubbub is what do those who say Braun is guilty think should have happened? If you say, "I think Braun used but he shouldn't be punished because the testing rules were violated," I think you're being reasonable. If you simply think Braun should be punished regardless of any violation by MLB or the testers then, without respect, #### you.
   54. Ray (RDP) Posted: February 25, 2012 at 11:37 AM (#4068506)
Yes, I appreciate Chris has special knowledge in this area. I wasn't arguing "false positive" or "tampering" or anything like that; I was just arguing process.
   55. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: February 25, 2012 at 12:08 PM (#4068522)
It may not mean that Braun did nothing wrong, but I just think it's a basic fairness issue. If the stakes are so high (suspension, millions of dollars, reputation, Hall of Fame chances), and the agreement has to be abided to by the players (particularly strict liability), then the agreement should be abided to by MLB. And so if they don't follow protocol, the test should be thrown out. Is it too much to ask that they follow protocol when so much is at stake for the player? Why bother having the collection rules if they can just be ignored while some guy whose job it is to follow the rules takes the sample home with him instead of driving to FedEx? Why should a player have to show that the sample was actually tampered with in that case? Again, what's the point of having the rules, then?

According to an article in today's Times, the excuse for the delay in dropoff was precedent, and the fact that the dropoff deadline for overnight FedEx shipments had already passed by the time the sample left the ballpark. I mention this only as a point of reference, and not to dispute any of the issues you raise above.

The collector left Miller Park in Milwaukee around 5 p.m. that day and, according to Braun, could have stopped at one of at least five FedEx locations within five miles of the stadium that were open until 9 p.m. The collector could have also dropped off the sample at one of the nearly 20 FedEx locations between the ballpark and his house.

Had the sample been dropped off the day of the game, Braun said, its chain of custody would have been better established..

But although there are several FedEx locations near Miller Park and they were indeed open late that Saturday, the samples would have had to have been dropped off at one of two locations by 5 p.m. to make it onto the last FedEx flight from Milwaukee. Even then, the sample would not have arrived in Montreal until noon on Monday, according to Scott Fiedler, a spokesman for FedEx.

In cases like Braun’s where the sample would have sat in a store or drop-off box over the weekend, collectors have been told by the test administrator to keep possession of the sample until it can be shipped. The collector told the three-person arbitration panel that he kept the sample in his possession the entire weekend, according to a person in baseball familiar with his testimony.

Drug test administrators have struggled with this problem for years. On the one hand, they know that samples taken during a weekend or on a holiday may sit for a day or two before being sent to a laboratory. On the other hand, they want to continue testing on weekends and holidays.
   56. calhounite Posted: February 25, 2012 at 12:26 PM (#4068534)
Braun is absolutely innocent.

The piss's seal was unbroken and both A and B samples independently tested positive for artificial testerone, causing Braun to be SUSPECTED of injecing, ingesting the stuff, seeing's how that's appears to be the only way something artificial can get into one's body.. a CLEAR case of suspicion.

SUSPECTED PRIOR TO CONVICTION.

That is, if Braun HAD been convicted, he'd had been suspected prior.

a rush to judgement.

therefore, innocent.

The legal reality is that none of this ever happened.

Braun doesn't exist.
   57. calhounite Posted: February 25, 2012 at 12:29 PM (#4068537)
Braun is absolutely innocent.

The piss's seal was unbroken and both A and B samples independently tested positive for artificial testerone, causing Braun to be SUSPECTED of injecting, ingesting the stuff, seeing's how that's appears to be the only way something artificial can get into one's body.. a CLEAR case of suspicion.

SUSPECTED PRIOR TO CONVICTION.

That is, if Braun HAD been convicted, he'd had been suspected prior.

a rush to judgement.

therefore, innocent.

The legal reality is that none of this ever happened.

Braun doesn't exist.
   58. Bug Selig Posted: February 25, 2012 at 04:39 PM (#4068691)
I have what is admittedly quite possibly a dumb question:

Is 5x the normal limit of testosterone a good thing? Is it even a healthy thing? It seems to me that 5x the normal amount of most things in your body will make you sick if not kill you.

Medical types - what's the deal?

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