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Thursday, April 25, 2013

Minnesota Twins join ‘Moneyball’ era behind mystery man - TwinCities.com

And you thought the Twins were living under a rock.

Twins general manager Terry Ryan, who signs off on every major baseball decision the organization faces, leans back in his chair recently in the Target Field press dining room and tells a packed table of media that it was “just happenstance” that led to those ground-ball machines landing here.

“If you look at that statistical stuff, historically those guys throw ground balls,” Ryan says. “It’s part of the equation. You could talk to Jack a little more about it than Twins general manager Terry Ryan me.”
Jack Goin, who has the unwieldy title of manager, major league administration and baseball research for the Twins, is seated across the table from Ryan.

Jim Furtado Posted: April 25, 2013 at 09:11 AM | 19 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: sabermetrics, twins

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   1. DL from MN Posted: April 25, 2013 at 09:43 AM (#4425417)
I'm pretty sure he didn't say "Twins general manager Terry Ryan me".
   2. Eric Ferguson Posted: April 25, 2013 at 10:10 AM (#4425447)
BTF poster Eric Ferguson me doesn't find it that unlikely.
   3. Fancy Pants with a clinging marmoset on his Handle Posted: April 25, 2013 at 11:16 AM (#4425527)
Twins general manager Terry Ryan, who signs off on every major baseball decision the organization faces, leans back in his chair recently in the Target Field press dining room

They moved his chair? Bastards!

If you look at that statistical stuff, historically those guys throw ground balls,

I see your problem right there. May I suggest your guys aim slightly closer to the strike zone?
   4. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: April 25, 2013 at 11:19 AM (#4425529)
Ryan is known to stand naked in front of a mirror before games, practicing his general managing and declaring "Twins general manager Terry Ryan me is the best! Twins general manager Terry Ryan me is the best!"
   5. aberg Posted: April 25, 2013 at 11:21 AM (#4425530)
I'm pretty sure he didn't say "Twins general manager Terry Ryan me".


It just says "than me" in the article. I think the copy-paste process got part of a caption under a photo mixed into the body.
   6. The Fallen Reputation of Billy Jo Robidoux Posted: April 25, 2013 at 11:48 AM (#4425549)
Twins general manager Terry Ryan me rubs the lotion on the skin or gets the hose again.
   7. spike Posted: April 25, 2013 at 11:53 AM (#4425554)
Somebody set us up the bomb
   8. valuearbitrageur Posted: April 25, 2013 at 11:56 AM (#4425561)
The irony is that best-selling author Michael Lewis first approached the Twins about doing the "Moneyball" project but was rejected.


Thus costing Billy Beane at least two championships.

Goins obsessive refusal to be quoted and his one comment, "Gardy makes the lineup" when Gardenhire was trying to give him credit for the lineup changes, spells future GM to me.
   9. DL from MN Posted: April 25, 2013 at 12:20 PM (#4425574)
Goin seems pretty media-phobic to be future GM material.
   10. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: April 25, 2013 at 12:31 PM (#4425581)
Sweet, I am now envisioning Terry Ryan, naked, in front of a full length mirror, rubbing lotion on himself, talking in 3rd person about how he'd do himself.
   11. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 25, 2013 at 12:59 PM (#4425599)

They moved his chair? Bastards!


In his old office, he could see the squirrels. And they were merry.
   12. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 25, 2013 at 02:06 PM (#4425665)
You're supposed to throw the chair, not lean back in it.
   13. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 25, 2013 at 04:08 PM (#4425775)
Sweet, I am now envisioning
You bastard. I can't unread that.
   14. Mike Emeigh Posted: April 25, 2013 at 04:52 PM (#4425822)
From TFA:

An average BABIP is about .300, which means Worley's 2012 figure of .341 suggests he was pitching in bad luck as much as bad health (bone chips in his elbow).


Or rather, as Goin suggests, that his bad health was a key reason behind his high BABIP.

I've heard Gleeman and Bonnes talk about Goin and read Hageman's interview, and I think the Twins low-key Goin's involvement by design - the point being that your analytics guy doesn't have to be visible to be effective.

-- MWE
   15. Walt Davis Posted: April 25, 2013 at 05:29 PM (#4425859)
your analytics guy doesn't have to be visible to be effective.

And the sight of them frightens the children.
   16. valuearbitrageur Posted: April 25, 2013 at 07:06 PM (#4425920)
Goin seems pretty media-phobic to be future GM material


I think it's usually the mediocre performers (KT, cough) who travel to the top by loudly and insistently telling anyone who will listen about their accomplishments and how valuable they are.

Goin is successfully working to get one of the most saber resistant organizations in baseball to incorporate statistical analysis. He continuously deflects attention, refuses to take credit for accomplishments, and defers to and credits the key decision makers in his organization for accomplishments. Yet those leaders also clearly seem to know and value his contributions.

He seems like a textbook example of how to be an outstanding team member, and eventually organizational leader. I wouldn't doubt he's well liked and appreciated throughout the organization by people who appreciate his team orientation and don't have to worry about him claiming credit for their accomplishments.

And I seriously doubt he's going to have any trouble doing any silly little interviews when his job requires it.
   17. DL from MN Posted: April 25, 2013 at 08:46 PM (#4425985)
I seriously doubt he's going to have any trouble doing any silly little interviews when his job requires it.


A reporter sat down and wanted to interview him and he walked off. He agreed to answer questions only by e-mail. That strikes me as if he has some trouble with silly little interviews.
   18. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: April 26, 2013 at 01:19 AM (#4426060)
Or some trouble with a silly little reporter. Just saying.

I've dealt with interviewers on subjects I knew were over their heads, and the only way to get it reasonably right and not be misquoted or misconstrued was to plead time constraints and answer via email. It's also effective with people you know are prone to misquoting. It's no reflection at all on Goin
   19. valuearbitrageur Posted: April 26, 2013 at 01:00 PM (#4426326)
A reporter sat down and wanted to interview him and he walked off. He agreed to answer questions only by e-mail. That strikes me as if he has some trouble with silly little interviews.


He's not the GM, he's not the President, and he's not the Manager. Why should he consent to an interview? To piss off his equally hard working peers who aren't getting the same recognition? How does this interview help him do his job better? Apparently he thought using that time ,o actually do his job was going to benefit the organisation more.

In some organizations (Apple) it's rare for any employee to grant interviews except the CEO and a few select vice-presidents. In Apples case it's because they want to have a consistent message, and don't want to accidentally disclose product and technology strategies or roadmaps.

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