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Sunday, February 24, 2013

Mitch Williams: Lohse still looking for a club

Mitch Williams offers up his John Deere Letter.

Why is Kyle Lohse still not signed by a club?

When free agents declared this year, Zack Greinke got all the attention. From a stuff perspective, I believe Greinke had the best stuff of all the free agent pitchers on the market, and he was given a huge contract by the Dodgers. I will never say a player isn’t worth what he is paid, because I learned a long time ago that worth is subjective.

When I bought my ranch, the man I bought it from said that he had $40,000 worth of equipment on the premises. I told him that he should then haul it up on the highway and sell it, because it is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it, and I wasn’t paying $40,000 for it. In the end, I got it all for free. So Greinke got what he was worth because someone was willing to pay him that.

I still feel the same way today that I felt when free agency started: Lohse doesn’t have the best stuff, but he is the best pitcher available. The problem here is that he is 34 years old and is represented by Scott Boras. I’m sure Boras feels that his client is worth three or four years at probably around $16 million a year. (I’m guessing on the years and money.)

Repoz Posted: February 24, 2013 at 08:58 AM | 23 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. JJ1986 Posted: February 24, 2013 at 09:41 AM (#4375093)
I felt when free agency started: Lohse...is the best pitcher available.


So, Mitch Williams is insane.
   2. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 24, 2013 at 09:57 AM (#4375100)
The problem here is that he is 34 years old and is represented by Scott Boras


You don't follow baseball much do you?
   3. SoSH U at work Posted: February 24, 2013 at 10:13 AM (#4375106)
It is kind of bizarre that a guy who pitched as well as Loshe did last year is still unemployed as the Spring Training schedule starts.
   4. cardsfanboy Posted: February 24, 2013 at 10:42 AM (#4375117)
It is kind of bizarre that a guy who pitched as well as Loshe did last year is still unemployed as the Spring Training schedule starts.


He turned down a one year 13.3 mil qualifying deal from the Cardinals, so he's clearly looking for more than that.

He had a "free agent to be year" that has got to be scaring off some suitors. He's 34 years old, has posted 3 good years in his career and had two horrible seasons in 2010 and 2009. I imagine he would have no problem finding a two year contract in the $30mil range, but I have a feeling he is looking for more than that, both in years and dollar amount.
   5. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: February 24, 2013 at 10:46 AM (#4375121)
He's this year's Edwin Jackson.
   6. SoSH U at work Posted: February 24, 2013 at 10:48 AM (#4375123)
He had a "free agent to be year" that has got to be scaring off some suitors. He's 34 years old, has posted 3 good years in his career and had two horrible seasons in 2010 and 2009. I imagine he would have no problem finding a two year contract in the $30mil range, but I have a feeling he is looking for more than that, both in years and dollar amount.


I'm not saying clubs should cave on him or that he should just take any offer. Just that it's kind of odd that he's still out there at this point in time (though I guess Jackson was in a similar boat last year).

   7. Eddie Gaedel Posted: February 24, 2013 at 12:09 PM (#4375165)
How reasonable would it be for the Cards to work a sign-and-trade with a team to build competent SS depth since Furcal still seems hurt? Yes, a first rounder would be better, but if Lohse sits out until the June draft, I think the compensation requirement goes away, and a team could sign him to a 3-year deal and the Cards would get bupkus. Not looking for a star, but if a team has a $10M league-average SS on a short contract, it seems a solid move for the Cards.
   8. Eddie Gaedel Posted: February 24, 2013 at 01:10 PM (#4375218)
Double post
   9. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: February 24, 2013 at 01:15 PM (#4375221)
If I'm Lohse, I'm content to sit tight until after the draft. By then, the contenders and pretenders will have sorted themselves out, the signing team won't lose a pick and the media will have hyped Lohse into a "Can he save the...?" narrative.
   10. Eddie Gaedel Posted: February 24, 2013 at 01:28 PM (#4375226)
If given the choice of a one-year deal with a crappy team now (protected pick) or a 3-year deal (2 1/2 years, I guess) with a first place team at the all-star break, seems almost in no-brainer territory. The only question is... does he stay in shape privately, or risk injury/exposure by signing with an independent league team?
   11. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: February 24, 2013 at 01:53 PM (#4375231)
The Angels have said they're not interested in Lohse, but I wish they'd reconsider. Vargas, Hanson and Blanton at the back end of the rotation doesn't fill me with confidence.
   12. cardsfanboy Posted: February 24, 2013 at 02:19 PM (#4375243)
Vargas, Hanson and Blanton at the back end of the rotation doesn't fill me with confidence.


You're good with Blanton, all my Phillies friends swore up and down that not only is he better than Lohse, but that he is an All Star pitcher with bad luck. My Philly friends be crazy.
   13. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: February 24, 2013 at 02:20 PM (#4375244)
Adding Lohse to the Angels SOUNDS like a good idea until you realize he's Kyle Lohse. He's awful.

Hanson and Blanton suck too, I get your point, but adding Lohse doesn't help, I don't think.
   14. cardsfanboy Posted: February 24, 2013 at 02:37 PM (#4375249)
Adding Lohse to the Angels SOUNDS like a good idea until you realize he's Kyle Lohse. He's awful.


Isn't that a stretch? 7th in Cy Young last year career 97 era+, usually good for about 180ip. He's more or less the definition of a number 3 pitcher, if you can slot him in the fourth spot, you should have a very strong rotation.
   15. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: February 24, 2013 at 02:40 PM (#4375250)
If someone like Kyle Lohse, who has had two very good seasons in a row, is "awful", just imagine how bad Joe Blanton is.
   16. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: February 24, 2013 at 02:50 PM (#4375252)
Weaver aside, the Angels rotation has a chance to be awful this year. Lohse would help. To what degree I think is a different question.
   17. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: February 24, 2013 at 03:15 PM (#4375267)
dupe
   18. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: February 24, 2013 at 05:18 PM (#4375305)
You're good with Blanton, all my Phillies friends swore up and down that not only is he better than Lohse, but that he is an All Star pitcher with bad luck. My Philly friends be crazy.

Huh? Your "Philly friends" must not be from Philly. The best you'll hear about Blanton around here is that he was okay. Generally, the assessment is much lower than that.
   19. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 24, 2013 at 05:26 PM (#4375312)

If given the choice of a one-year deal with a crappy team now (protected pick)


The Indians and Jays both have protected picks, although the Jays don't need any more pitchers. The Red Sox might not be terrible either and could probably use another SP, and they have a protected pick.

Cleveland makes the most sense. They've already come this far. Go all in and be 2012-2013 Winter MLB Free Agent Bargain Champion.
   20. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: February 24, 2013 at 07:22 PM (#4375375)
Weaver aside, the Angels rotation has a chance to be awful this year. Lohse would help. To what degree I think is a different question.
I don't see C.J. Wilson being awful, but Lohse is at least as good as any of the last three, and his contract is looking more and more reasonable by the day. Between the questionable starting pitching and the still-questionable relief pitching, my optimism going into this season is... questionable.
   21. Walt Davis Posted: February 24, 2013 at 10:40 PM (#4375437)
In the end, I got it all for free.

Because it turned out I paid $80,000 more for the ranch than I could have.
   22. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: February 24, 2013 at 10:56 PM (#4375440)
Ok. On a one year deal, maybe. My comment was more about not wanting him to get a 3-year deal and be a #4 starter at $12 million per year.

He is 34 and I don't trust Mike Butcher to do anything but make him worse.

I'd prefer they keep the $ and put Brad Mills and Garret Richards out there when Blanton/Hanson blow up. Lohse isn't worth the years.
   23. Athletic Supporter is trying to remember your name Posted: February 24, 2013 at 11:36 PM (#4375449)
He had a "free agent to be year" that has got to be scaring off some suitors. He's 34 years old, has posted 3 good years in his career and had two horrible seasons in 2010 and 2009. I imagine he would have no problem finding a two year contract in the $30mil range, but I have a feeling he is looking for more than that, both in years and dollar amount.


2/30? Blech. You're probably right, but if I rooted for a team that wanted to spend any money, I wouldn't want him at that price. He seems like a prime candidate to regress.

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