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Friday, June 08, 2012

Mitch Williams: The right ‘stuff’

Mitch Williams set the pace for a new breed of hero. Those that had just one thing in common…(uhh, I forget the rest)

I can say this: the closer role is not just about “stuff.” It is a combination of stuff and a mentality to make that stuff useful and effective. I have argued with so-called numbers experts who claim anyone can close. That could not be further from the truth.

...I was told by my idol, Goose Gossage, that too much control in the ninth can be a dangerous thing. He couldn’t have been more right. You get ahead with strikes, you get outs with balls. I have seen more 0-2 and 1-2 base hits given up this year than I think I ever have. Pitchers are afraid that if they waste a pitch to set up another pitch, then that will count against them and that might make them unavailable for tomorrow’s game. The mission of the closer is to get three outs before the other team scores a run. I don’t care if it takes 50 pitches to do it. So what? In my 16 years as a professional pitcher, I never once went to a manager and said I wasn’t available that day. I figured if I could pull my pants on, I could pitch.

That is my take on why there has been so much inconsistancy at the closer role this year. The role is not just about stuff. It is about understanding the hitters you are facing, their egos, also the situation you are in. The pressure is on the hitter!

Repoz Posted: June 08, 2012 at 05:39 AM | 8 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Neutral Milk Dotel (Dan Lee) Posted: June 08, 2012 at 06:06 AM (#4151436)
2012 League Averages: .140 on 0-2 counts, .164 on 1-2.
2011: .152/.167
2010: .156/.163
2009: .156/.171
   2. adenzeno Posted: June 08, 2012 at 07:03 AM (#4151438)
FACTS? FACTS!!??? WE DONT NEED NO STINKING FACTS!!! Of course we COULD already have had a higher number of 2 strike counts this year than we had all last year....but I dont think that is very likely...
   3. bigglou115 Posted: June 08, 2012 at 08:03 AM (#4151449)
Doesn't he mean "so-called baseball experts"? He doesn't attack their credibility as numbers experts, only the validity of their claim about baseball. In other words, I'm really not a Mitch Williams fan.


Edit: also, I love when this site has more replies than the original.
   4. bobm Posted: June 08, 2012 at 08:34 AM (#4151460)
All of MLB: 2007-2012, H/AB during 9th Inning and 0-2 Count

2007: 213 / 1410 = .151
2008: 210 / 1359 = .155
2009: 200 / 1405 = .142
2010: 191 / 1412 = .135
2011: 194 / 1513 = .128
2012: 51 / 514 = .099

All of MLB: 2007-2012, H/AB during 9th Inning and 1-2 Count

2007: 347 / 2345 = .148
2008: 362 / 2335 = .155
2009: 367 / 2370 = .155
2010: 365 / 2398 = .152
2011: 391 / 2480 = .158
2012: 145 / 900 = .161

During the 9th inning: 0-2 avg way down, 1-2 avg up slightly
   5. JE (Jason Epstein) Posted: June 08, 2012 at 10:05 AM (#4151507)
How is the Mitch Williams post above materially different from this one, published barely two weeks ago?
   6. The District Attorney Posted: June 08, 2012 at 10:56 AM (#4151558)
I was told by my idol, Goose Gossage, that too much control in the ninth can be a dangerous thing.
You took that advice pretty far, Mitch.
   7. Sean Forman Posted: June 08, 2012 at 01:21 PM (#4151729)
I was told by my idol, Goose Gossage, that too much control in the ninth can be a dangerous thing.


I'm sure Quiz, Eck, Hoffman, Rivera and Doug Jones agree.
   8. Dale Sams Posted: June 08, 2012 at 02:16 PM (#4151815)
Of course *anyone* can close. And the difference between Aceves and Papelbon at the end of the year will be about five-six blown saves.

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