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Monday, October 03, 2011

MLB.com: Lee lets lead slip away as Cards even NLDS

The Phillies entered the 2011 postseason with high hopes behind the strength of their four aces.

The Cardinals got to one of them Sunday in Game 2 of the National League Division Series. Cliff Lee, who was a postseason hero for the Phils in 2009, tied a career high by allowing 12 hits and gave up five runs in six-plus innings in a 5-4 loss to St. Louis, evening the best-of-five series at 1.
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The Phils’ offense went into hibernation after the second. Carpenter retired the last four batters he faced and the bullpen retired 11 consecutive batters until Rollins singled to left in the seventh. He was caught stealing to end the inning.

NTNgod Posted: October 03, 2011 at 04:06 AM | 34 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. phredbird Posted: October 03, 2011 at 04:09 AM (#3949249)
these guys are gonna kill me ... but i'll take it.
   2. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 03, 2011 at 04:15 AM (#3949254)
Looked ugly early. That's about as crummy as I've seen Carp in the early going. But give it to the Cards for battling back against a lot of odds.

A good throw nails Craig at home right? I was surprised they sent him until I saw it was Raul in left.
   3. Shock Posted: October 03, 2011 at 04:16 AM (#3949256)
the Cardinals only needed 16 pitchers to finish the Phillies -- impressive.
   4. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: October 03, 2011 at 04:24 AM (#3949261)
TBS, if you need someone to stammer, trail off, and mess up player names, I am available for considerably less money than Dick Stockon.
   5. Sleepy's still holding up that little wild bouquet Posted: October 03, 2011 at 04:26 AM (#3949263)
A good throw nails Craig at home right? I was surprised they sent him until I saw it was Raul in left.


Think you're thinking about theriot, who is incredibly slow? I can't see Craig getting thrown out from second on a roller like that. He's faster than he looks.

Earlier in the game, jay should have been safe, but he decided to try to knock Ruiz down instead of slide. Point to Ibanez on that one, though probably undeserved.
   6. phredbird Posted: October 03, 2011 at 04:28 AM (#3949264)
Earlier in the game, jay should have been safe, but he decided to try to knock Ruiz down instead of slide.


my thoughts exactly. he couldn't go head first on the first base side and reach for it?
   7. Tripon Posted: October 03, 2011 at 04:31 AM (#3949268)
You must admit, if you have a chance to clock Carlos Ruiz, you should usually take it.
   8. Dr. Vaux Posted: October 03, 2011 at 04:31 AM (#3949269)
The playoffs aren't indicative of team quality, but they are fun
   9. Justin T drives a crooked hoss Posted: October 03, 2011 at 04:32 AM (#3949270)
I thought Stockton was pretty sharp this evening. Not even by his standards, just objectively good. And he had a couple understated zingers like about the kid's sign and how tomorrow would have been the spelling lesson, and not taking the strikeout-to-walk stat description seriously. Rare signs of brain activity. Good on him.
   10. Justin T drives a crooked hoss Posted: October 03, 2011 at 04:35 AM (#3949271)
And I don't think you can get on Jay for plowing Ruiz. He had to make a call on what to do, and quickly. If you think that was an easy decision to make in the moment, you're just wrong.
   11. Dr. Vaux Posted: October 03, 2011 at 04:36 AM (#3949273)
I agree--Stockton was very good tonight.
   12. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: October 03, 2011 at 04:38 AM (#3949274)
Other series: I enjoyed Smoltz after Miguel Cabrera stole second with all the grace and speed of three dwarves moving a refrigerator: "Unleashed! Now the Tigers have a new weapon."
   13. Sleepy's still holding up that little wild bouquet Posted: October 03, 2011 at 04:42 AM (#3949276)
And I don't think you can get on Jay for plowing Ruiz. He had to make a call on what to do, and quickly. If you think that was an easy decision to make in the moment, you're just wrong.


Yeah, good point.

OTOH, he should have had someone from the on-deck circle gesticulating madly at him to "Slide, JJ, Slide!" And, WAY Over THERE -----> .
   14. Shock Posted: October 03, 2011 at 04:58 AM (#3949283)

TBS, if you need someone to stammer, trail off, and mess up player names, I am available for considerably less money than Dick Stockon.


I cringed at "Ryan Pujols"

Honestly though I'll take Stockton/Brenly over just about anyone else likely to call these games, to be honest.
   15. Gold Star for Robothal Posted: October 03, 2011 at 05:45 AM (#3949292)
Honestly though I'll take Stockton/Brenly over just about anyone else likely to call these games, to be honest.


Lies.
   16. Bhaakon Posted: October 03, 2011 at 05:49 AM (#3949294)
Three straight losses, Lee is garbage under postseason pressure.


/sarcasm
   17. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: October 03, 2011 at 06:05 AM (#3949299)
I was in and out all night, so I only heard fragments of what Stockon had to say, but I did catch "Ryan Pujols."

I like Brenly, however, even though it could be a result of listening to him all season for the last seven seasons. He still gets a lot of #### for being a bad manager, but he's improved a lot as a commentator.
   18. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: October 03, 2011 at 06:43 AM (#3949306)
with all the grace and speed of three dwarves moving a refrigerator

This is brilliant.

He still gets a lot of #### for being a bad manager, but he's improved a lot as a commentator.

I agree with this completely. In particular, I think Brenly and Kasper are outstanding together.

Intense game and an excellent performance by the STL bullpen. They've got a shot.
   19. Walt Davis Posted: October 03, 2011 at 06:48 AM (#3949307)
Yeah when I saw the Cabrera SB in the box score, I wondered if the Yanks had Berra behind the plate. I could throw out Miguel Cabrera ... from New Zealand!
   20. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: October 03, 2011 at 10:29 AM (#3949321)
I didn't watch the game, so I can' comment on the quality of his work yesterday. That said, I just want to note that the simple fact that he did a game last yesterday is pretty amazing. I mean, this side of Vin Scully, how many other guys announcing today could say they were doing national TV, much less the World Series, in 1975?
   21. Gone Fishing Posted: October 03, 2011 at 10:38 AM (#3949322)
I didn't watch the game, so I can' comment on the quality of his work yesterday. That said, I just want to note that the simple fact that he did a game last yesterday is pretty amazing. I mean, this side of Vin Scully, how many other guys announcing today could say they were doing national TV, much less the World Series, in 1975?

I can carbon-date him back to 1970, when he did the halftime "show" for CBS from the Cotton Bowl field at the Lions/Cowboys playoff game.
   22. JoeHova Posted: October 03, 2011 at 05:02 PM (#3949577)
It's not quite the 75 World Series but Bob Uecker did the 76 ALCS and All-Star Game and he's still the radio voice of the Brewers.
   23. JJ1986 Posted: October 03, 2011 at 05:07 PM (#3949583)
I liked how Stockton was clearly happy about pronouncing "Rzepczynski" correctly (if you type "Zepchinski" into google he comes up first which is useful for people like me who can't spell his name) and kept repeating it. Too bad he got "Delscaco" out at the same time.
   24. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: October 03, 2011 at 05:10 PM (#3949586)
You must admit, if you have a chance to clock Carlos Ruiz, you should usually take it.

A Chooch-hater? Sir, you must be a very, very bitter man. I can see hating Victorino, Utley, Rollins, heck even Howard. But Ruiz????
   25. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: October 03, 2011 at 05:12 PM (#3949588)
Honestly though I'll take Stockton/Brenly over just about anyone else likely to call these games, to be honest.
Other than Brenly's out and out ass-kissing lie to Tony LaWhiner about 2 strike zones, he was fine. Brenly didn't say boo during the broadcast; when talking to TLR he said that he had observed an unfair strike zone. Weak sauce on Brenly's part.
   26. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: October 03, 2011 at 05:15 PM (#3949594)
Brenly made up for it any time Ryan Theriot came to the plate. It's delightful to hear him assess Theriot now that Theriot is no longer with the Cubs.
   27. Bob T Posted: October 03, 2011 at 05:27 PM (#3949608)
Generally, Dodgers fans have no use for Carlos Ruiz. None what so ever.
   28. altavista Posted: October 03, 2011 at 05:51 PM (#3949632)
TBS, if you need someone to stammer, trail off, and mess up player names, I am available for considerably less money than Dick Stockon.

I, on the other hand, am only available during the regular year.*



* Note that I, too, thought he did a good job yesterday. And he actually called it the regular season twice that I heard.
   29. Spahn Insane, stimulus-funded BurlyMan™ Posted: October 03, 2011 at 07:01 PM (#3949693)
Brenly made up for it any time Ryan Theriot came to the plate. It's delightful to hear him assess Theriot now that Theriot is no longer with the Cubs.

I wasn't watching; what'd he say?
   30. All In The Guetterman, Looking Up At The Stargell Posted: October 03, 2011 at 07:11 PM (#3949705)
when talking to TLR he said that he had observed an unfair strike zone.


I'm no LaRussa fan but in that case he was right and Brenly was right to agree. Lee was getting the low inside corner called strike; Carpenter wasn't.
   31. All In The Guetterman, Looking Up At The Stargell Posted: October 03, 2011 at 07:22 PM (#3949716)
Also, also, too: There's something wrong with Rzepczynski. I think his arm is just as dead as McClellan's. Usually it takes Tony over a year to overwork-to-destruction a decent non-LOOGY LH reliever (Steve Kline, Burger King); in this case it's only taken a couple of months, or Rzep was already worn out in Toronto.
   32. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: October 03, 2011 at 07:57 PM (#3949758)
RETARDO, while I don't agree with your analysis -- Carpenter was missing by plenty enough; Brenly didn't say squat during the game but acted like he did when TLR was whining. That was my beef with Brenly.
   33. Gary Truth Serum Posted: October 03, 2011 at 08:08 PM (#3949774)
Agreed on Stockton, in his play by play call he would immediately pick up on details like whether a batter was out in front on a swing. Not necessarily an amazing insight, but not what you would expect if you thought he hadn't watched a baseball game all year.

It reminded me of the 2010 Orange Bowl (Iowa-Georgia Tech) where I thought he would stumble all over the place but instead was quite good. In that game he did screw up and say that Iowa had last won one of the BCS bowl games in 1991 (it was actually 1959) but that bit of errata was probably fed to him by someone else. I guess if you give him a lot of time to prepare for one game in a sport he still has it.
   34. Padraic Posted: October 03, 2011 at 08:42 PM (#3949807)
Brenly didn't say squat during the game


Yep, this is the key point. There was a pause after LaRussa said it where it felt like Brenly was thinking "huh?", but then just ended up agreeing with him out of general wussiness.

LaRussa is a real jerk. It's one thing to work the umpires; it's another to tell a national audience that you think the other team is winning only because of the umpires. Show some respect for your opponent in a public forum, and then ##### from the dugout.
   35. All In The Guetterman, Looking Up At The Stargell Posted: October 04, 2011 at 01:30 AM (#3950140)
Carpenter was missing by plenty enough


He was but his command is irrelevant. Whether he wanted to or not, he put several pitches at the knees and on the black that were called balls; Lee's pitches at the same location were called strikes. Fair enough on Brenly being chickenshit, but then again he didn't just drop it, either. Once he agreed with LaRussa he didn't get wishy-washy about it later.

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