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Sunday, August 29, 2010
Manny Ramirez will be sent to the Chicago White Sox on a waiver deal Monday, according to a baseball source who spoke on the condition of anonymity.
The Dodgers aren’t expected to get any players in return, but are likely to unburden themselves of the $4 million or so that Ramirez is due to earn over the remainder of his two-year, $45-million contract.
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MLB.com: Manny ejected one pitch into pinch-hit at-bat Manny Ramirez not only has trouble getting in games, he has trouble staying in them.
Ramirez, out of the Dodgers’ starting lineup for a fourth consecutive game Sunday, was ejected by plate umpire Gary Cederstrom one pitch into a pinch-hitting appearance in the sixth inning.
Ramirez, sent up with the bases loaded and one out to bat for reliever Ronald Belisario, took a fastball from Matt Reynolds that appeared to be outside but was called a strike. Ramirez immediately turned to complain and was quickly ejected by Cederstrom.
That would be one heck of a way to end his Dodgers career.
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Posted: August 29, 2010 at 10:31 PM | 54 comment(s)
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1. My Grate Friend, Peason's pants are rankled Posted: August 29, 2010 at 10:52 PM (#3629343)Anyhow, if you think that ejecting less people will do anything but INCREASE the whining and disagreement over pitches from players and managers, good luck with that.
How 'bout if players start acting like grown ups? Without knowing what was said I can't leap to the conclusion that the umpire was wrong. Players know what they can and cannot get away with and most ejections seem appropriate.
http://twitter.com/dylanohernandez
From the article in the thread.
This is what I am talking about.
I wish MLB would take away from umpires the ability to toss players. It's a complete joke that they go out ejecting guys because they decide they want to make a name for themselves. #### umpires. #### them all and replace them with robots.
But what happens when we learn that robots have dreams?
That should be fun.
Also, Ozzie started out to argue a play at first base but then turned around well before crossing the foul line and started back while waving his hands at the umps in a what's the use way. Bob Davidson tossed him. This is a travesty that seems to be picking up steam. New umps, new technology, whatever but they should try something. This sucks.
2010: .417/.462/.667 (13 PA)
2009: ---
2008: .303/.408/.503 (206 PA)
2007: .303/.403/.488 (290 PA)
2006: .355/.469/.659 (277 PA)
Career: .316/.423/.583
Just for laffs, Manny's career numbers in Comiskey Park, where he did not bat against the Yankees while the Dodgers slowly deliberated over what they wanted to do:
.338/.448/.601 (261 PA)
The White Sox have 7 games left to play against Boston, 0 against New York, and 0 against Tampa Bay.
The penalty for arguing doesn't have to be an ejection. Maybe it's another strike or even an out, but the fact that an umpire can completely remove a player from the game if that player looks at him funny is far overreaching in my opinion. They don't need to have that much power and I'm tired of watching umpires get pleasure from ruining games.
Just go the main control panel page, choose the entry on the list of your 10 most recent entries, and choose to edit the entry.
That's exactly what the strike call on Ramirez was - a "penalty" for the earlier riding of the ump by the L.A. bench. Notice how long the umpire waits before calling the strike. He's making a point. (I take back my earlier accusation against Manny, by the way - on further review, the call was absolutely brutal, and doubly so for the long pause.)
This sort of "vigilante justice" by the umpires is nothing new, of course. Here's an anecdote from a recent Philadelphia Daily News article:
He was probably rambling on about out-of-body experiences, people from Pluto, or some other weirdo stuff... and who wants to listen to that?
I saw Gilmore play today. He looks to me like he can play, with the main question that I see being whether he will hit for power consistently (he did go deep in the 6th but he's never reached double-digits in a season). He was originally drafted by the Braves as a supplemental 1st rounder in '07 and went to the White Sox in the Javier Vasquez trade. BA is down on him, though, largely because of the lack of power.
I think I'd take him, anyway. But I suspect LA will take the cash.
-- MWE
That's exactly what happened to Ryan Howard in the 14th inning last week: The strike-three call, on which he clearly didn't swing, was obviously his punishment for whining about the strike-two call. The umpire followed it up by giving Howard a look that seemed to say, "What are you gonna do about it?"
That kind of thing is really, really, really bad for baseball in many ways. It needs to stop.
Hadn't thought about that. I guess Selig will veto the deal.
Players know you can't argue balls and strikes and they know you can't try and show up the umpire.
The problem is that umpires go out of their way to show up players all the time.
The penalty for arguing doesn't have to be an ejection. Maybe it's another strike or even an out, but the fact that an umpire can completely remove a player from the game if that player looks at him funny is far overreaching in my opinion. They don't need to have that much power and I'm tired of watching umpires get pleasure from ruining games.
Well, I'm tired of watching umps get their jollies from being the show too, but they miss enough calls as it is. I don't need to see more calls intentionally missed as a penalty. And as was already noted, if umps couldn't run guys, arguments would dramatically increase in both frequency and length.
Daulton's point, I assume.
No, it didn't. The Dodgers are out of the pennant race and wanted to save $4 mil. That's the long and the short of it.
Doesn't it make more sense that the Dodgers are pushing his carcass overboard as fast as they can (eleven-twelfths of the way into his contract) because Youk yelled at him that time?
Well, it depends how much cash. What if the White Sox were insisting on the Dodgers throwing $4 million into the deal? I don't know if that's worth it for a 22 year old 3b in his fourth minor league season, still in high A ball, who has never hit more than 5 hrs in a season. He has some pluses, but doesn't walk a ton, strikes out a decent amount, and has little power. I'd eat some salary I suppose to get him, but $4.3 million is enough to sign multiple draftees who fell for signability reasons, for instance, as well as an international signing or two.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2010/08/29/2010-08-29_joe_girardi_negotiates_indirectly_with_new_york_yankees_brass_in_answers_to_chic.html?page=2
What was great, though, was the reaction of the Rockie fans...a couple of choruses of
Na na na na,
na na na na
Hey, hey,
Goodbye!!!
Goodbye to Manny, and goodbye to the Dodger season.
Am I missing something, or has the Daily News disabled comments only for Lupica's articles?
The umps are approaching that level of arrogance again.
CHB does. Or used to.
This. In both games, the situations were key - perhaps less so in Manny's, given that the score was 8-2 (though the bases were loaded), but in each the umpire knew that he could get a rise out of the player, and thus make his point, because of the gravity of the situation. At least in the Wendelstedt/Daulton/Schilling example, it was the first batter of the game, so the point of that call arguably was more establishing control than simply seeking revenge.
The Howard situation is still by far the worst of these, since the umpire had to be cognizant of the game situation (ending a rally in the 14th inning and ejecting a star player with no position players remaining on the Phils' bench). The league won't openly discipline him, but I would certainly hope Barry's phone stops ringing permanently for MLB call-ups shortly.
No sympathy. At all. Ozzie came out to be a dick, argued a call that was clearly correct (Hawk himself said so with no doubt), and then was definitely being a disrespectful ass by waving his arms around with his back to the umpire like a 13-year-old because he HAD no argument that he could look the ump in the face with. Not only is that ejection not a travesty, it's not even notable. He deserved to get tossed.
We make sure that they have something to dream about. Say electric sheep.
In both you generally only get ejected for throwing a punch or intentional(hostile) contact with a ref.
EDIT: Not quite the same, but NBA players are frequently "ejected" from games due to fouls. Also, many ejections occur from a player arguing calls and getting technical fouls, 2 of which result in an ejection.
As Randy says, usually players get ejected only for violence. Usually is the correct word because only MLB tolerates players/coaches going nose to nose with officials; when was the last time a NFL or NBA player/coach argued a call the way calls are argued every single game in baseball?
As Randy says, usually players get ejected only for violence. Usually is the correct word because only MLB tolerates players/coaches going nose to nose with officials; when was the last time a NFL or NBA player/coach argued a call the way calls are argued every single game in baseball?
Players, sure. But coaches in NFL and NBA pretty much keep up a running argument with the officials. But they're close enough to do so without entering the field or making a spectacle. If MLB managers could really argue for the dugout, I suspect most would.
As Randy says, usually players get ejected only for violence. Usually is the correct word because only MLB tolerates players/coaches going nose to nose with officials; when was the last time a NFL or NBA player/coach argued a call the way calls are argued every single game in baseball
I think a key difference is the rules don't allow for a middle ground penalty, which encourages more obvious ######## and moaning in baseball.
In basketball, if a guy starts mouthing off, you T him up. One free throw. No big deal, though another one gets you run. In football, if a guy ####### too long, you throw a 15-yard unsportsmanlike flag (which will undoubtedly piss off his coach as much as anything else).
Baseball offers none of these mid-level penalties. The umpire either lets the guy mouth off or he tosses him from the contest. Since the only available penalty is so punative, umpires have likely allowed worse behavior than in those other sports before resorting to it.
Rasheed Wallace was infamous for getting ejected all the time due to technical fouls. I can't think of any baseball player with that kind of reputation.
The NBA also a monetary fine that the player has to pay for flagrant fouls, and occasionally for technical fouls. I don't think that's true in MLB, although the player loses money if he's suspended from future games.
The obvious solution is to give umpires paintball guns.
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