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1. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: October 01, 2012 at 11:32 PM (#4250610)Trout 3-3, .324 (still playing)
Mauer 1-5, .322
Should be a fun couple of days.
This. I do not care for the Tigers, but Cabrera is a delight to watch when he has a bat in his hands. But the stupid, "I'LL NEVER WATCH BASEBALL AGAIN IF CABRERA DOESN'T WIN MVP!" outbursts I've been seeing more and more of just makes me root for someone, anyone, to c-block Miggy's Triple Crown hopes.
Finish it off, Miggy.
This seems equally silly. If you like a guy, root for him to do well. The other stuff -- Facebook, sportswriters, awards -- we should be able to look past that by now.
Maybe it's just me, but I'm actually interested in hearing stories about the guys who garner votes in the 3 thru 10 spots on the MVP ballots. There are a lot of great stories in 2012. No, I'm not saying vote Soriano, Jim Johnson, Hamilton, Beltre, Jeter, Butler, etc, etc, etc, in top couple spots, but with so many teams sort of in contention this late in the season there are probably 20 different guys who will get at least a 10th place vote.
He hasn't established a mean yet.
If you can, you're better at it than me. I'm irritated too easily, and people being just so terribly, awfully wrong drives me absolutely batty.
To be clear, all I'm feel is a little bit conflicted, it's not actually changing my rooting interests. I still want Miggy to get the Triple Crown, and I still think it's incredibly cool. There's just a little twinge in the back of my head that thinks, "oh boy, here come the idiots in force now".
best 20 year old seasons--yes all regressed (slightly) the next season except Mantle & Griffey (and neither went up that much). But it's quite a list--all HOFers except Pinson and those not yet eligible
Doesn't it often turn out that most players who are THIS GOOD at 20 have already peaked, or never get much better? They definitely don't usually follow the typical aging curve. First, for the obvious reason that it's nearly impossible to get any better. Second, because it probably means this was already their "everything came together" season and they can't count on everything breaking their way again. Although in Trout's case, he can expect to play 25 more games in the future.
Al Kaline arguably peaked at 20. By WAR, Alex Rodriguez only had one season (age 24) that was better than his age 20 season. Dwight Gooden's best season, BY FAR, was at age 20.
You figure with Peter Bourjos likely the everyday CF next season for the Angels that Trout'll be in right field. What would that do to his WAR? Anything?
In theory nothing. He would receive a substantially negative positional adjustment but, if he's an above-average CF, he should be a dynamite RF and gain the positional adjustment back in Rfield. That's the point of dWAR, it's supposedly position-independent (well, except for lefty throwers obviously). In WAR terms, an OF is an OF -- what you lose by positional adjustment you gain by being compared to crappier fielders. OK, I suppose he'd drop some because RF get fewer chances than CF.
But yeah, you expect him to regress to the mean. (1) as noted, he can't really get better; (2) as noted, this is likely one of his "everything came together seasons"; (3) in support of #2, a lot of his value is coming from the most variable bits -- Rfield and BABIP (375). He could be a +10 CF with a 350 BABIP (still pretty awesome) and everything else the same and he loses 19 points of BA (so about 19 points of OBP and 25 points of SLG) and over 1 win less in Rfield. That's probably 2-2.5 wins off his total, gaining some back with more playing time.
Not that there's anything wrong with being an 8-9 WAR player.
Based on his physique, I could see Trout developing (even more) power as he gets older, but we may have already seen the best of his base-stealing/defensive seasons. He's built like an NFL running back (6'1", 210 lb), and with all that muscle moving that quickly all the time, I worry that he's going to wear down or have a serious injury. In baseball, it seems that the flabbier, slower guys stay healthier than the Trout types.
Prince Fielder: never hurt
Darin Erstad: hurt all the time
It's over. It's always been over.
Everybody certainly seemed ungrateful on the post-game show, though. You'd think this was the 1927 Yankees who came out and limped to a division title they should have won going away. That's exactly what the Detroit media seems to think it was. Should they have been 3 games back with 16 to play? No. But the way the White Sox played this year, unexpected though it may have been, Detroit should have been maybe 2 games up at that point, not 10.
The local media talked about this team exactly that way. Avila and Peralta were going to repeat their career years, Delmon was going to become what was forecast for him when he was a teenager, Miggy and Prince were going to hit 100 HR's and drive in 350 runs. Valverde was going to convert 125% of his save chances. Mentioning the comically bad defense was forbidden.
I can't think of anyone besides Austin Jackson and Andy Dirks that surprised to the good side. Scherzer, I guess, but that wasn't out of the blue.
I don't know, but he'll make a nice keeper in fantasy.
He was pretty mean to opposing pitchers this season, that's for sure.
As opposed to every other facet of everday existence?
(bonus note: Giancarlo Stanton is going ot finish 2nd in the NL in home runs, despite missing almost a quarter of the season)
It's the perceived under-performance. For sure. Tigers fans were not a happy bunch all season long. I'm stunned at how miserable Tigers fans are. Maybe it's not specific to Detroit, but they're the only team I am around enough to be able to base this on.
I was helping clean out my grandmother's house over the weekend and came across a fantasy baseball magazine of mine from 2003. I looked up the Tigers blurb in there. It was all doom and gloom and the season managed to end up worse than the prediction.
I think some of the miserable Tigers fans may want to do that from time-to-time when they get unhappy about the team not winning 95 games.
Leyland's contract is up, that's the genesis of all the stories.
However, there's also a sense that the Tigers should have done better since Leyland took the Tigers to the World Series in 2006. That 2006 was a bit of a surprise, and was followed by:
2007: 88-74 behind a 96-win Cleveland team that went 12-6 against the Tigers.
2008: Let's not talk about 2008.
2009: Lose one-game playoff to Twins.
2010: 81-81 with a team apparently improved on 2009, but whose starting pitching didn't get the memo.
2011: ALCS exit as AL Central champions, which was fair return.
And Mr Ilitch doesn't keep his wallet tightly closed if he thinks he can get value for overpayment.
Leyland seems to have some kind of frustration with the pitching staff. He's on his third pitching coach (Chuck Hernandez, Rick Knapp and now Jeff Jones) during his time in Detroit, and I suspect they've been made the scapegoat for issues elsewhere.
Neither Miggy nor Hamilton is going to homer again this season, while Adam Dunn will finish the year 4-8 with 4 HRs and 4 Ks and a couple of walks. This gives him the home run title to complete the Three True Outcomes triple crown, and also gives him the single season strikeout record.
I'd probably do it the other way. Take tonight off, and play Wednesday if Hamilton homers tonight. Couldn't an 0-4 tonight for Cabrera and another awesome game by Trout cause the batting title to switch hands just like that?
No one would think Miggy or the Tigers are sissies if they rest Cabrera the last two games to preserve the TC, would they?
Hang on. What? I don't follow the Angels all that close but a) everyone talks up how great Trout is in CF (and he certainly looks it to me) and b) Who?
Do the Angles really have a guy who is a better CF than Trout? Can he hit at all?
If I'm Cabrera, I play. I see this a lot: we clinched, now rest everyone. But if you suggest the play-in be a 3 game series, the wailing begins that you can't expect the division winners to sit out for three days.
Which is it? Is rest good or is rest bad? To me, with the playoffs starting in a few days, I keep playing.
Who on earth did you trade them for?
Co-signed.
If Cabrera sits the next 2 games and Trout gets 4 AB in each game, Trout would need to go 5-8 to win the title.
If Cabrera goes 0-4 tonight, Trout needs to go 4-8 to pass him.
In keeping with this hilarity, I traded Mike Trout for Miguel Cabrera last year in my keeper league.
If not for the ruling making Melkey ineligible, the three NL rate stats "titles" would have gone to 3 different players who all required the 0 fer exception to qualify: Melkey, Votto OBP, and Stanton SLP.
Unless Hamilton passes him in HR's tonight, I don't see any reason why Miggy wouldn't sit before he reached 0-8.
If I were you, I wouldn't trust your feelings ever again. Your man Yaz is probably about to share the stage.
I don't even remember and don't feel like looking it up. Thought I had a chance at winning the league this year and went all in since I (stupidly) assumed that players so young wouldn't contribute as much as veterans. My 5th place finish was sobering.
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