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Saturday, June 19, 2010

MLB.com: Strasburg sets record for K’s to start career

WASHINGTON—Stephen Strasburg set a Major League record for strikeouts in a pitcher’s first three starts on Friday. But that didn’t mean a whole lot to him.

What meant more to the right-hander was the fact that the White Sox handed him and his teammates a tough 2-1 loss in 11 innings before a sellout crowd of 40,325 at Nationals Park.

Strasburg struck out 10 and didn’t walk any in seven innings—after walking five in his previous start—to give him 32 K’s in his first three starts. That erased the previous record of 29, set by J.R. Richard, but the loss tempered any enthusiasm Strasburg felt.

My Grate Friend Peason's pants are rankled Posted: June 19, 2010 at 03:21 PM | 83 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. McCoy Posted: June 19, 2010 at 04:18 PM (#3564186)
I'd say something sarcastic about my previous statements but I wouldn't want Esoteric to misunderstand them.
   2. Guapo Posted: June 19, 2010 at 04:24 PM (#3564189)
Rest assured we'll all be making some sarcastic comments about your previous statements. :)
   3. Depressoteric feels Royally blue these days Posted: June 19, 2010 at 04:25 PM (#3564192)
Don't worry, McCoy, you'll never live this down the way Dave Cameron will never live down Robbie Cano.
   4. McCoy Posted: June 19, 2010 at 04:41 PM (#3564204)
I don't need to worry because Strasburg will blow his arm out within a year or two.
   5. RJ in TO Posted: June 19, 2010 at 04:46 PM (#3564210)
Are you trying to get murdered by the entire population of Washington DC?
   6. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: June 19, 2010 at 04:59 PM (#3564218)
Baseball's statistical "holy trinity" has always been the most home runs in a career, the longest consecutive hitting streak, and the most strikeouts in the first three starts of a pitcher's rookie season. Congratulations to Stephen Strasburg for rewriting the pantheon.
   7. McCoy Posted: June 19, 2010 at 05:04 PM (#3564224)
Are you trying to get murdered by the entire population of Washington DC?

Nah, Redskin training camp has started, most of DC doesn't even know baseball is going on right now.
   8. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: June 19, 2010 at 05:14 PM (#3564241)
Re: 7

Right...it was hell on the train last night.
   9. Depressoteric feels Royally blue these days Posted: June 19, 2010 at 05:19 PM (#3564249)
Have the Cubs ended their season already, McCoy? Is that why you're pissing on Strasburg?

Oh yeah...it seems they have.
   10. McCoy Posted: June 19, 2010 at 05:27 PM (#3564264)
Has Washington even played a season that matters yet? When was the last time that happened? 1943?
   11. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: June 19, 2010 at 05:38 PM (#3564274)
I've got to say McCoy, from this corner it seems you harbor some ill will toward all things Nats baseball. Considering, as you say, the city's lack of baseball relevance for so long, this animosity seems bizarre.
   12. McCoy Posted: June 19, 2010 at 05:42 PM (#3564277)
Where is the ill will? I think tickets to their park are overpriced, a sentiment that many people believe including Nationals fans. I had a notion that maybe, just maybe, Strasburg could have stayed down in the minors for a handful of extra starts. For these two views I've got Esoteric up my arse.
   13. KronicFatigue Posted: June 19, 2010 at 05:49 PM (#3564283)
Why would Strasburg care more about the Nats losing than his own personal performance? He's playing on a team that's not currently going anywhere and with teamates he's just met. I'm all for the "rah rah, team spirit!" nonsense, but come on.
   14. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: June 19, 2010 at 05:54 PM (#3564293)
Where is the ill will? I think tickets to their park are overpriced, a sentiment that many people believe including Nationals fans. I had a notion that maybe, just maybe, Strasburg could have stayed down in the minors for a handful of extra starts. For these two views I've got Esoteric up my arse.


Didn't you also accuse the club of nefarious conduct in not pitching Strasburg on June 4th? Moreover, if you had phrased your objections as you did in the paragraph above, rather than in the manner and frequency you did, then your anus would probably be Esoteric free.
   15. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: June 19, 2010 at 05:57 PM (#3564300)
Yeah, that's handle-worthy.
   16. Depressoteric feels Royally blue these days Posted: June 19, 2010 at 05:58 PM (#3564302)
I'm going to repost this 'zop-style as much as I can.

EDIT: And it's your tone, McCoy. That's all. It's the same thing that bugs people about Cameron - it's not that he's wrong, it's that he can be churlish and nasty and recalcitrant after the fact.
   17. Depressoteric feels Royally blue these days Posted: June 19, 2010 at 06:00 PM (#3564306)
Yeah, that's handle-worthy.
I have very mixed feelings about this.
   18. RJ in TO Posted: June 19, 2010 at 06:02 PM (#3564311)
It's the same thing that bugs people about Cameron - it's not that he's wrong, it's that he can be churlish and nasty and recalcitrant after the fact.

Well, it's at least partially that he's wrong, but the other stuff does matter too.
   19. McCoy Posted: June 19, 2010 at 06:06 PM (#3564318)

Didn't you also accuse the club of nefarious conduct in not pitching Strasburg on June 4th? Moreover, if you had phrased your objections as you did in the paragraph above, rather than in the manner and frequency you did, then your anus would probably be Esoteric free.


You think they handled that well? They took their customer base for a ride. A buddy mine is also claiming that the Nationals have sold out for today's game because people thought Strasburg would pitch today instead of yesterday. I don't believe that is true since I think it was pretty common knowledge that Strasburg would pitch on Friday.

And I did say what I said originally in the same manner as I did above.

EDIT: And it's your tone

No, it's your own sensitivity to the issue that is the problem. My tone was fine until over sensitive freaks like you decided to climb up my anus for things I never said.
   20. Kurt Posted: June 19, 2010 at 06:07 PM (#3564319)
I don't need to worry because Strasburg will blow his arm out within a year or two.

Which makes it even more imperative that the innings he does pitch before then occur in the major leagues.
   21. Depressoteric feels Royally blue these days Posted: June 19, 2010 at 06:11 PM (#3564321)
Which makes it even more imperative that the innings he does pitch before then occur in the major leagues.
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BUT HE NEEDS TEH SEASONING!
   22. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: June 19, 2010 at 06:13 PM (#3564324)
You think they handled that well? They took their customer base for a ride. A buddy mine is also claiming that the Nationals have sold out for today's game because people thought Strasburg would pitch today instead of yesterday. I don't believe that is true since I think it was pretty common knowledge that Strasburg would pitch on Friday.


As far as I can tell, the Nats never suggested, hinted or outright said Strasburg would start on the fourth. Fans speculated that's when he'd start. I suppose they could have come out and said, 'No, he's definitely not starting on the fourth," after the buying frenzy began, but I don't think they had any obligation to.
   23. McCoy Posted: June 19, 2010 at 06:18 PM (#3564327)
As far as I can tell, the Nats never suggested, hinted or outright said Strasburg would start on the fourth. Fans speculated that's when he'd start. I suppose they could have come out and said, 'No, he's definitely not starting on the fourth," after the buying frenzy began, but I don't think they had any obligation to.

Do you think that is a good way to handle your customer base? If people call me up for reservations for an event I'm not even having at my restaurant I would think it would be basic business sense to inform my customers of what is actually happening. Why would you want to piss off your customers with a scam that can be easily avoided? Is 15,000 extra tickets really that big of a deal to the Washington Nationals? Are they having problems meeting payroll so that they need to suck up every penny now regardless of what it might cost them down the road?
   24. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: June 19, 2010 at 06:20 PM (#3564333)
I don't think this guy is a true Yankee just yet.
   25. phatj Posted: June 19, 2010 at 06:25 PM (#3564339)
I think Strasburgmania is totally overshadowing any lingering resentment over the June 4 fiasco.
   26. AndrewJ Posted: June 19, 2010 at 06:25 PM (#3564340)
Has Washington even played a season that matters yet? When was the last time that happened? 1943?

They were in contention until the final weekend in 1945. Example #9,367 of why WWII baseball was so diluted.
   27. rr Posted: June 19, 2010 at 06:25 PM (#3564341)
Weird thread. So far, it seems that the person handling the Strasburg hype the best is Strasburg himself.
   28. cardsfanboy Posted: June 19, 2010 at 06:26 PM (#3564343)
I don't think this guy is a true Yankee just yet.


he's got the hype of a true yankee pitching prospect, the difference is that it didn't take him 3 years to pitch a good game.
   29. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: June 19, 2010 at 06:30 PM (#3564352)
he's got the hype of a true yankee pitching prospect, the difference is that it didn't take him 3 years to pitch a good game.

Would love to know what this is referring to.
   30. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: June 19, 2010 at 06:30 PM (#3564353)
As far as I can tell, the Nats never suggested, hinted or outright said Strasburg would start on the fourth. Fans speculated that's when he'd start. I suppose they could have come out and said, 'No, he's definitely not starting on the fourth," after the buying frenzy began, but I don't think they had any obligation to.

For whatever reason, McCoy has the biggest bug up his ass of anyone on this site when it comes to the Nationals franchise, and that's saying something. If the Nationals do get a big crowd for today's game, the main reasons why are because there are a good number of White Sox fans in this area, and today is Ryan Zimmerman Bobblehead Day. This crap about the the team misleading people reagrding Strasburg's start is nothing but a bunch of bullsh1t that he made up.
   31. cardsfanboy Posted: June 19, 2010 at 06:33 PM (#3564357)
Would love to know what this is referring to.

hyperbole based on the fact that somehow hughes and joba are these out of the world prospects who really haven't until this season for Hughes, lived up to the hype. The sheer number of Joba articles we have read on here dwarves his realized talent and his potential. There are probably a dozen or two as young pitchers in other organizations who are better prospects who get 1/10th the press(yes I know it's New York and all)
   32. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: June 19, 2010 at 06:35 PM (#3564359)
Has everyone forgotten 2005 already? On the 4th of July, the Nats were 50-31, 5 1/2 games up. No, they weren't really that good, but .500 ball the rest of the year would've won them the division. T'was not to be, sadly...
   33. Kurt Posted: June 19, 2010 at 06:38 PM (#3564363)
Hughes no-hit Texas for 6 1/3 innings in his second major league appearance. By my admittedly lax standards, it was a good game.

Edit: And of course, Joba in his first season gave up 1 earned run in 24 innings while striking out 34 and walking six. I think there were a few good games mixed in there somewhere.
   34. McCoy Posted: June 19, 2010 at 06:40 PM (#3564366)
For whatever reason, McCoy has the biggest bug up his ass of anyone on this site when it comes to the Nationals franchise, and that's saying something. If the Nationals do get a big crowd for today's game, the main reasons why are because there are a good number of White Sox fans in this area, and today is Ryan Zimmerman Bobblehead Day. This crap about the the team misleading people reagrding Strasburg's start is nothing but a bunch of bullsh1t that he made up

I never realized that Washington fans were so sensitive to the merest hint of a slight. You guys need to grow a pair and realize your team is in the majors now.

If I truly am the poster who is the most annoyed by the Nationals that is saying something. It means nobody really cares about the Nationals because I'm not bothered by the Nationals. Again, I think their tickets are overpriced *gasp* the horror. Do I talk about Riggleman? Do I talk about Zimmerman or Dunn? No. I really don't care about the Nationals. I don't care if they bring back Bowden and his leather pants. As for Strasburg I simply said that I thought that Strasburg could have used some more games in the minors. Where did I say he was a bum or that he wasn't going to be good?

I made up the increase in ticket sales for the June 4th game? I wish I had that kind of money to be able to do that.
   35.     Hey Gurl Posted: June 19, 2010 at 06:41 PM (#3564368)
I'm going to repost this 'zop-style as much as I can.


Not really seeing the big deal here.

Strasburg is already looking to be the most rabidly-defended player since Jeter.
   36. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: June 19, 2010 at 06:45 PM (#3564370)
Just wait till the anti-smoking crew comes around to McCoy's restaurant and forces him to put up a giant poster of Strasburg telling the kiddies not to chew tobacco. Serenity now!
   37. PreservedFish Posted: June 19, 2010 at 06:46 PM (#3564373)
As for Strasburg I simply said that I thought that Strasburg could have used some more games in the minors.


And everyone else disagreed with you, rabidly.
   38. cardsfanboy Posted: June 19, 2010 at 06:47 PM (#3564377)
Hughes no-hit Texas for 6 1/3 innings in his second major league appearance. By my admittedly lax standards, it was a good game.

Edit: And of course, Joba in his first season gave up 1 run in 24 innings while striking out 34 and walking six. I think there were a few good games mixed in there somewhere.

the reason I said hyperbole is that I knew I was exaggerating it with the one game comment, the point still stands that their prospects receive way more air time than their talent represent. Good players with potential, but nearly every team has some players, the amount of ink used on say Tommy Hanson last year doesn't come remotely close to the amount of ink wasted on the Joba in a typical month. (again I realize it's New York, the media capital of the world or something like that so of course it's going to be distorted to their hometown bias)


Strasburg is already looking to be the most rabidly-defended player since Jeter.


I would think that so far the defense has been right. I thought they probably brought him up too soon but it seems like that isn't the case. I personally don't trust any first year player numbers/performance until about the eighth start onwards.
   39. McCoy Posted: June 19, 2010 at 06:49 PM (#3564379)
And everyone else disagreed with you, rabidly.

I can certainly understand people disagreeing with me what I don't understand is that why because I said that I somehow become Nationals public enemy #1 and have somehow been labeled as some life long hater of all things Nationals. It wasn't even a disparaging remark on Strasburg or the Nationals. It was an opinion that as of right now looks to have been wrong. Get over it Nationals' fans, you're in the majors now.
   40. McCoy Posted: June 19, 2010 at 06:52 PM (#3564385)
Just wait till the anti-smoking crew comes around to McCoy's restaurant and forces him to put up a giant poster of Strasburg telling the kiddies not to chew tobacco. Serenity now!

Actually the law requires us to post up god awful stickers and signs that inform people that you cannot smoke within our building even though they were never allowed to smoke in our building before the law was enacted. It is actually kind of stupid and pointless. We can get fined and penalized if we don't prominently display these notices even though we've never needed these notices before.
   41. Depressoteric feels Royally blue these days Posted: June 19, 2010 at 06:58 PM (#3564394)
You know what I think is petty? As in, really and truly petty? People who use their usernames to broadcast vulgar insults of other Primates. That's some amateur BS right there.
   42. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: June 19, 2010 at 07:05 PM (#3564402)
You know what I think is petty? As in, really and truly petty? People who use their usernames to broadcast vulgar insults of other Primates. That's some amateur BS right there.


I dunno, thinking about the logic of his handle, if you're in his ass, wouldn't that make him your #####?
   43. McCoy Posted: June 19, 2010 at 07:13 PM (#3564410)
You know what I think is petty? As in, really and truly petty? People who use their usernames to broadcast vulgar insults of other Primates. That's some amateur BS right there.

If you don't like it you should be more careful about the insults you throw around.

edit:
isn't "anus" the correct medical term? Wouldn't me saying "ass" be the vulgar term?
   44.     Hey Gurl Posted: June 19, 2010 at 07:32 PM (#3564443)

I would think that so far the defense has been right.


Did not intend to suggest otherwise.

Just saying, between the "zOMG the Indians fans booed when Strasburg came out" and the "Hitler AKA Dave Cameron suggested Strasburg might not be the best player of all time" and the "All-time spokesman for anti-Nats McCoy said that Nats might have benefited from leaving SS down," the panty-twist factor seems to be as high as I've seen.
   45. Depressoteric feels Royally blue these days Posted: June 19, 2010 at 07:48 PM (#3564453)
If you don't like it you should be more careful about the insults you throw around.
I didn't use that language. That was another poster. I'm not saying I've been a perfect angel either, but you're being strikingly immature.
   46. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 19, 2010 at 07:49 PM (#3564458)
hyperbole based on the fact that somehow hughes and joba are these out of the world prospects who really haven't until this season for Hughes, lived up to the hype. The sheer number of Joba articles we have read on here dwarves his realized talent and his potential. There are probably a dozen or two as young pitchers in other organizations who are better prospects who get 1/10th the press(yes I know it's New York and all)

Gee, sorry Phil Hughes isn't going to make his first All-Star game until his age 24 season. He's a late bloomer.

Seriously, Hughes was a consensus top-2 pitching prospect in baseball (with Buchholz). He was an awesome prospect who took a couple of years to develop, largely b/c he was hindered by injuries. He's also never posted a FIP above 4.35.
   47. Kurt Posted: June 19, 2010 at 07:59 PM (#3564463)
the reason I said hyperbole is that I knew I was exaggerating it with the one game comment

It's not exaggeration, it's the complete polar opposite of the truth when it comes to Hughes and Joba. If someone snarked about "true" Cardinal firstbasemen being all field-no hit and then cited Albert Pujols as an example you'd call them astoundlingly ignorant, and you'd be correct.
   48. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: June 19, 2010 at 08:05 PM (#3564467)
Strasburg is a werewolf.

Believe me, I'm the guy to ask.
   49. McCoy Posted: June 19, 2010 at 09:19 PM (#3564503)
re 45 I think starting a flame war and then calling the other side immature is the height of hypocrisy.
   50. Depressoteric feels Royally blue these days Posted: June 19, 2010 at 11:30 PM (#3564567)
re 45 I think starting a flame war and then calling the other side immature is the height of hypocrisy.
Not only did I not start a flamewar (I certainly wasn't the one who turned it 'hot'), you literally began this thread by parachuting in at random with an unsolicited insult against me. Subsequent to that, you changed your username into a weird coprophiliac attack on me.

Your behavior speaks entirely for itself.

This is the last time I'm going to comment on this. Just leave us all alone, please.
   51. Matt Welch Posted: June 20, 2010 at 12:10 AM (#3564584)
Wow. And here I was thinking that the arrival of the most exciting pitching prospect in recent memory would trigger some quality discussion at BTF.
   52. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: June 20, 2010 at 12:45 AM (#3564590)
I tried mocking Strasburg's new "record" (#6), but it didn't take.

Want to know what's in my anus?
   53. McCoy Posted: June 20, 2010 at 12:48 AM (#3564591)
you have short term memory problems. Now why would I make a remark about esoteric in my first post? Hmmm. . . .

you very first post on me in regards to strasburg wasyou insulting me. Then when I jokingly poked fun at my statement in another thread you called me a troll. Then in this thread you go the lets make fun of his team route even though my view on strasburg was not disparaging. Basically from the beginning you have acted childish, overly sensitive, and petulantly and now you are shocked, shocked.i tell you, when someone responds to you in similar manner.
   54. caprules Posted: June 20, 2010 at 01:02 AM (#3564594)
you go the lets make fun of his team route even though my view on strasburg was not disparaging.

I don't need to worry because Strasburg will blow his arm out within a year or two.
   55. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: June 20, 2010 at 01:13 AM (#3564595)
I also think Strasburg will encounter arm injuries, but it's not something to parade about and certainly Nationals fans deserve something to cheer about. I won't offer my two cents on this burgeoning feud suffice to say that McCoy's handle does seem needlessly disrespectful and inflammatory.
   56. PreservedFish Posted: June 20, 2010 at 01:15 AM (#3564596)
Any handle drawing attention to the contents of any primate's anus is unecessary.
   57. Mr. J. Penny Smoltzuzaka Posted: June 20, 2010 at 01:44 AM (#3564603)
Any handle drawing attention to the contents of any primate's anus is unecessary.


I thought it was kinda cute.
   58. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: June 20, 2010 at 01:51 AM (#3564604)
Hold on. Which of them hate the 'Burg more?
   59. bobm Posted: June 20, 2010 at 02:05 AM (#3564607)
After playing around with the "Pitching Game Finder" in BB-REF P-I, I think that Herb Score and Kerry Wood hold many of the upcoming records for Ks in a player's first X number of starts:


GS Player     Ks
 4 Herb Score 41
 5 Herb Score 51
 6 Score/Wood 58
 7 Herb Score 67
 8 Herb Score 78
 9 Kerry Wood 85
10 Kerry Wood 94


Mentioning Strasburg along with Kerry Wood and Herb Score would seem IMO to be either ironic or a cautionary tale.
   60. Steve Phillips' Hot Cougar (DrStankus) Posted: June 20, 2010 at 03:02 AM (#3564628)
Wow. And here I was thinking that the arrival of the most exciting pitching prospect in recent memory would trigger some quality discussion at BTF.


hahahahahahahahahahahahah
   61. McCoy Posted: June 20, 2010 at 05:17 AM (#3564671)
re 54 & 55

I've posted in 4 Strasburg threads. The first one I compared him favorable to one of the greatest pitchers of all time. The second one I repeated that statement and said that perhaps Strasburg would have benefitted from some more games in the minors. The third thread I joked about how my previous statement about him being in the minors looked to be wrong. This thread is the fourth. Esoteric jumped into the second thread to post that I was embarrassing myself. The third thread he called me a troll. In this thread I decided to respond. The Strasburg will hurt himself was a joke, it was gallows humor. It was definitely a taunt but a big boy should have been able to handle it. Almost anybody here who is a fan of any of the larger contingency teams hears something like that virtually everyday and it doesn't get their shorts in a bunch and really he deserved it after the venom he has sent my way needlessly. So in terms of this conversation we reached this point long long before I said a single thing negative about Strasburg and I still haven't said anything negative about Strasburg with any kind of serious tone to my words.


The username was also a joke based on JustinT's actions and SOSH's words. I don't change names and it wasn't meant to be anything other than a short time joke. When Esoteric took exception to it I decided to leave it up for awhile to give him a taste of his own medicine since he seemed to be blisfully unaware that his own actions were/are childish. You can certainly believe that it was disrespectful and inflammatory but I do not agree that it was needlessly either of those things. It was some out of the blue thing.
   62. cardsfanboy Posted: June 20, 2010 at 07:01 AM (#3564681)
Wow. And here I was thinking that the arrival of the most exciting pitching prospect in recent memory would trigger some quality discussion at BTF.


Mark Prior already came and went.
   63. cardsfanboy Posted: June 20, 2010 at 07:02 AM (#3564682)
I thought it was kinda cute.

I thought it was hilarious
   64. cardsfanboy Posted: June 20, 2010 at 07:04 AM (#3564683)

Mentioning Strasburg along with Kerry Wood and Herb Score would seem IMO to be either ironic or a cautionary tale.


oh no, it's not cautionary, because Strasburg is special and different.
   65. Jim Wisinski Posted: June 20, 2010 at 07:24 AM (#3564687)
Wow. And here I was thinking that the arrival of the most exciting pitching prospect in recent memory would trigger some quality discussion at BTF.


What the hell is wrong with you?
   66. McCoy Posted: June 20, 2010 at 07:26 AM (#3564688)
Supposed to be a wasn't in the last sentence.
   67. Lassus Posted: June 20, 2010 at 07:37 AM (#3564689)
coprophiliac

I just stopped in to applaud this great word. (I'm not sure it's entirely accurate in context as a description of what occurred, but nevertheless, a truly prize-winning piece of vocabulary.)
   68. whoisalhedges Posted: June 20, 2010 at 08:47 AM (#3564696)
Mentioning Strasburg along with Kerry Wood and Herb Score would seem IMO to be either ironic or a cautionary tale.

SS should count his lucky stars Gil McDougald is retired. And eighty.
   69. bobm Posted: June 20, 2010 at 12:12 PM (#3564736)
[68]

From BR bullpen:

Herb Score was famous for a blazing fastball and control problems with the great Cleveland Indians pitching staffs of the 1950s. On May 7, 1957, he was hit in the eye by a line drive off the bat of Gil McDougald, which many say ended his career. However, he has said many times that he was already on the road to a sore arm at the time. It didn't help, but it didn't ruin his career.


In other words, that's a common misperception :)
   70. BDC Posted: June 20, 2010 at 01:02 PM (#3564757)
I was just looking up Herb Score and Dizzy Dean and such on B-Ref, and I would just like to say for the record that I would prefer not to have a free social membership to the Lantana Golf Club. That is all.
   71. Andere Richtingen Posted: June 20, 2010 at 02:05 PM (#3564789)
The only cautionary tale that matters with respect to Strasburg is the one that applies to all pitchers.
   72. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: June 20, 2010 at 02:11 PM (#3564798)
Herb Score was famous for a blazing fastball and control problems with the great Cleveland Indians pitching staffs of the 1950s. On May 7, 1957, he was hit in the eye by a line drive off the bat of Gil McDougald, which many say ended his career. However, he has said many times that he was already on the road to a sore arm at the time. It didn't help, but it didn't ruin his career.


In other words, that's a common misperception :)

You can't say for sure where Score's career would have gone without the accident---it may well have been affected by overwork---but in his first three starts of 1957, he had game scores of 72, 74, and 82. He followed those with one so-so outing (a 49) before the McDougald game, but it's hardly a given that a sore arm would have been permanent, and it's not hard to imagine that psychological considerations didn't play a big part in Score's inability to make a comeback.

And as one of baseball more famous class acts, it's also entirely possible that Score just didn't want to appear to be making excuses. That's not an uncommon trait in ballplayers who get affected by injuries.

BTW one of the ironies of that Score tragedy was that McDougald himself was hit in the head by a line drive in batting practice two years before that, and gradually lost nearly all of his hearing as a result.
   73. Dan Szymborski Posted: June 20, 2010 at 02:28 PM (#3564826)
Come on guys, do I have to frigging close a Strasburg thread?
   74. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: June 20, 2010 at 02:55 PM (#3564862)
And as one of baseball more famous class acts, it's also entirely possible that Score just didn't want to appear to be making excuses.

Herbie always maintained that he blew a tendon in this game in 1958. It was apparently a cold damp night. He even used to claim he remembers the pitch where it happened. We've had this discussion before: it fits our model of Greek tragedy to have his career ended by the line drive instead of just another boring "he blew out his arm".
   75. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: June 20, 2010 at 03:50 PM (#3564919)
Herbie always maintained that he blew a tendon in this game in 1958. It was apparently a cold damp night. He even used to claim he remembers the pitch where it happened. We've had this discussion before: it fits our model of Greek tragedy to have his career ended by the line drive instead of just another boring "he blew out his arm".

Well, that explanation of Score's nosedive makes a lot more sense than "I was already coming down with a sore arm the night I got hit with the line drive," especially since he'd just pitched a 3-hit shutout in his previous start before that 1958 game. I've never said that any pitcher in his early 20's has a guarantee of an injury-free career.
   76. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: June 20, 2010 at 04:00 PM (#3564937)
Wow. And here I was thinking that the arrival of the most exciting pitching prospect in recent memory would trigger some quality discussion at BTF.

What the hell is wrong with you?


Yeah, no kidding. At this web site? Matt had to be joking, because he's been a member here way too long to believe something so funny.
   77. base ball chick Posted: June 20, 2010 at 04:08 PM (#3564957)
dan

well, it WOULD be a first. imagine strasburg creating the same sort of, uh, um, emotions that stuff like polit-icks and steroids/bonds/clemens create.

and too many guys are obsessed with certain body parts. you don't never hear them talking bout knees or spleens or kidneys or something
   78. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: June 20, 2010 at 04:11 PM (#3564961)
Joey, the problem is that there's nobody to argue with about Strasburg, other than the silly idea that he should have been kept down in the minors for another few starts, a notion which only one Primate has argued. We all agree he's the best pitching prospect that's come along in many years, and none of us knows whether or not he might blow a rotator cuff. So what else is there?
   79. base ball chick Posted: June 20, 2010 at 04:30 PM (#3564981)
sorry double post
   80. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: June 20, 2010 at 04:40 PM (#3564995)
Joey, the problem is that there's nobody to argue with about Strasburg, other than the silly idea that he should have been kept down in the minors for another few starts, a notion which only one Primate has argued. We all agree he's the best pitching prospect that's come along in many years, and none of us knows whether or not he might blow a rotator cuff. So what else is there?

Sure, but I have to admit that I am somewhat curious as to what the reasons are that McCoy hates the team so vehemently that he's hoping that Strasburg blows his arm out. The Lerners are hardly what I would call ideal owners, but he's now resorting to fabricating nonsensical stories to try to make them seem even worse than they are. I suppose I could understand it if he was a Montrealer or former Expos fan, but he's not; he's a Cubs fan for crying out loud.

I'll readily admit that I enjoy tweaking Billy Beane and his fans on here, but I don't hate the guy so much that I'm hoping his players suffer injuries. Frankly, that borders on pathological.
   81. McCoy Posted: June 20, 2010 at 04:54 PM (#3564999)
So is "McCoy" the new word for strawman? Nationals fans need to grow a pair because you guys are beginning to look like the biggest pansies out there.
   82. joker24 Posted: June 20, 2010 at 04:55 PM (#3565001)
Mark Prior already came and went.


You think Prior was more exciting that Strasburg? Are you out of your mind?
   83. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: June 20, 2010 at 05:03 PM (#3565004)
Joey, the problem is that there's nobody to argue with about Strasburg, other than the silly idea that he should have been kept down in the minors for another few starts, a notion which only one Primate has argued. We all agree he's the best pitching prospect that's come along in many years, and none of us knows whether or not he might blow a rotator cuff. So what else is there?

Sure, but I have to admit that I am somewhat curious as to what the reasons are that McCoy hates the team so vehemently that he's hoping that Strasburg blows his arm out.


JFTR, I don't think any such thing. All I wrote about McCoy was that I thought his notion that Strasburg should have been held back was silly.

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