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Wednesday, February 01, 2012

MLB 2K12: Games Should Be More Than Their Covers

In the game of baseball and in any other competitive sports for that matter, we see tireless and ambitious athletes keep on coming back. They still have the spirit to keep on going if they have been losing or are about to lose. In some cases, though, it is much harder to keep your hopes up.

This is the problem with MLB 2K12. Although the game has an awesome-looking cover, the franchise has not shown the pure determination that athletes such as Justin Verlander has shown. In the video game industry, pure ambition is apparently not enough. In 2006, 2K Sports hired Ben Brinkman. Brinkman came from Electronic Arts’ MVP Baseball series. In a way, he was MLB 2K7’s executive producer and savior. 2K7 has made a lot of improvement in terms of game visuals but MLB 2K8 was plagued with all sorts of bugs and gameplay glitches. MLB 2K9 did not improve things. Rather, it even dragged the franchise down further. Brinkman was fired as producer and MLB 2K9 continued to become a sinking ship. At this point, the developers were already thinking of the franchise as a liability. Strauss Zelnick, who serves as chairman of Take-Two Interactive, 2K Sports’ parent company considers the franchise a “losing proposition and we don’t have any interest in pursuing losing propositions.”

Video Games thrad.

Tripon Posted: February 01, 2012 at 02:48 AM | 20 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. MikeTorrez Posted: February 01, 2012 at 09:36 PM (#4051690)
MVP Baseball 2005 remains the best baseball game ever made.
   2. hokieneer Posted: February 01, 2012 at 10:29 PM (#4051718)
#1 is correct.
   3. Tripon Posted: February 01, 2012 at 10:37 PM (#4051721)
Soul Caliber 5 is one short game.
   4. KronicFatigue Posted: February 01, 2012 at 10:50 PM (#4051726)
Owned a 360 but bought a ps3 for MLB: The Show '09. It was so good that I STILL haven't caught up on my other games. Role call at yankee stadium, Mo's entrance, oh man, so perfect. Even added "enter sandman" to the game.

Of course, there were some glitches. AJ Burnett won the Cy Young.
   5. Juan V Posted: February 01, 2012 at 11:06 PM (#4051731)
Paradox just gave me a very nice birthday present
   6. Jick Posted: February 01, 2012 at 11:09 PM (#4051733)
Of course, there were some glitches. AJ Burnett won the Cy Young.


Adam Dunn won the 2011 AL MVP in a game of OOTP I was playing last week.
   7. Random Transaction Generator Posted: February 01, 2012 at 11:21 PM (#4051743)
I can't remember which baseball game I was playing on the original Playstation, but it brought me endless laughter for two reasons:

1) It had such a limited commentator vocabulary, it said the same thing EVERY time a player struck out swinging: "The whiff!"
My friend and I probably repeated that every time we watched a baseball game for the next 5 years.

2) The game had some sort of memory bug, so that it would, for no particular reason, start saying player names out loud. The player names weren't involved in the game we were playing, or on the rosters, or even in the same league. So you'd be up to bat and the announcer would suddenly blurt out "Tony Gwynn!". Another minute later, as an outfielder would settle under a fly ball, he'd suddenly yell "David Justice!". The funniest moment was when it started to say a name and then crashed. A ground ball to the pitcher, and then we were serenaded with "Maaaaaaaaaatt Luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuke!"

To this day, whenever my friend or I draft anyone with a similar name, we say it that way.
"Luuuuuuuuuuuuke Scoooooooooott"
   8. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: February 01, 2012 at 11:43 PM (#4051754)
My all-time favorite baseball video game glitch is the one in a couple of the MLB 2Kx games (2K6 and 2K7, I think) that allows players to leap over the Green Monster to rob home runs. Who knew that Jason Bay has a 32-foot vertical leap?
   9. Dan Posted: February 02, 2012 at 12:26 AM (#4051772)
MLB the Show crushes the 2Kx franchise. Very excited for this year's version.
   10. Tuque Posted: February 02, 2012 at 12:59 AM (#4051786)
The MLB 2Kxx franchise gargles balls. There are such huge problems with it - for example, on a ground ball to the first baseman, it is literally impossible for the pitcher to make it to first base before the batter does. So hitting a ball in between first and second is a guaranteed hit. Also, hitting a ground ball up the middle is a guaranteed hit, as the second baseman and shortstop are both incapable of making it to the middle of the infield in any reasonable amount of time. It's like the infield is three times the size it is in real life. As a result, players would have insanely high BABIPs and you'd get games where you pitched 5.2 innings, struck out ten, walked nobody, gave up 12 bullshit ground-ball hits and lost 6-4.

Of course that didn't stop me from playing it enough to get good at it eventually - but then that led to even weirder stats, like the season where I pitched 260+ innings with 150 Ks, 4 BBs, approximately 8 HRs and an ERA of 1.60. I did that pretty much entirely by getting a really sweet two-seam fastball and just throwing it, over and over, across the very bottom of the strike zone, to every batter, for an entire season.

MLB the Show is way better, by virtue of actually resembling a real baseball game. I don't have a PS3 though.
   11. Der_K is feeling better now. Posted: February 02, 2012 at 01:19 AM (#4051791)
8: Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. That clip was way more amusing than that had any right to be. I particularly liked Jon Miller's nonchalance.
   12. Bruce Chen's Huge Panamanian Robot Posted: February 02, 2012 at 04:11 AM (#4051811)
#7: Might it have been one of the games from the terrible VR Baseball series?
   13. Greg (U)K Posted: February 02, 2012 at 05:28 AM (#4051816)
MVP Baseball 2005 remains the best baseball game ever made.

I'd say the hitting was just about perfect. The pitching was way way way way too easy. If they could incorporate the stick swinging motion of the present day pitching into MVP 2005 there'd be no reason to ever make another baseball game.
   14. AROM Posted: February 02, 2012 at 09:04 AM (#4051835)
"The MLB 2Kxx franchise gargles balls. There are such huge problems with it - for example, on a ground ball to the first baseman, it is literally impossible for the pitcher to make it to first base before the batter does. "

I was once pondering relative speed and the ability of pitchers to cover the bag against speedy hitters when Ichiro chopped one to first against David Wells. Wells covered and the play was relatively easy. From that I conclude it is humanly impossible to beat a pitcher to first, no matter how fast you are, as long as the pitcher does what he's supposed to do.
   15. Social media assassin (Templeusox) Posted: February 02, 2012 at 09:29 AM (#4051840)
#1 is correct.
In a world filled with hipster nostalgia, perhaps. The Show becomes the new best game of all-time every year it is put out.
   16. Greg (U)K Posted: February 02, 2012 at 11:06 AM (#4051893)
In a world filled with hipster nostalgia, perhaps. The Show becomes the new best game of all-time every year it is put out.

The hipster nostalgia choice would be Baseball Stars I assume (if we're going console). I'm sure the graphics are a lot better in the Show, and the pitching as well. But hitting attained scientific perfection in MVP 2005. That's just a straight up fact!
   17. Old Man James Posted: February 02, 2012 at 11:42 AM (#4051925)
I thought the hitting was perfect in MVP 2006, too bad they lost the license by then. The park creator was just what the doctor ordered too (with the addition of a fully customizable wall).
   18. zack Posted: February 02, 2012 at 12:54 PM (#4051987)
High Heat 2001 is still the best baseball game I've ever played. The simulator had enough depth to rival pure sims like OOTP, and the actual games played like baseball. You would walk inadvertently batters, and be walked inadvertently while batting. Still the best pitching interface I've used, despite being incredibly simple. Select the target quadrant with the numpad (so nine divisions like up-away, up-middle, up-in, etc), one button for an attempted strike and another for an attempted ball. Late swings resulted in flies the other way or pulled grounders, like they should. And literally everything was tweakable in a simple configuration file, so you could fix the type of problems mentioned in #10 by say, changing the global running speed of batters. The instruction manual was even a basic treatise on sabermetrics and baseball strategy, explaining things like K/BB being by far the most effective way of judging pitching talent. I believe the head of 3DO was a huge strat fan.

The only downsides were that it was based on baseball in 2000 (peak of the peak of the hitting era), and it was too easy to hit the ball hard the other way (so it may have been entirely realistic as a steroid sim, heh). Only 6 batting stances was a bit of a drag. Sadly the later versions were buggy. 2004 should have restored the series to its former glory, but they didn't bother to write a PC interface for it, instead just porting the PS2 version directly to the computer, with an awful console interface. 3D0 when bankrupt shortly after.

I bet The Show is better in a lot of ways, but I've never played it because of lack of PS3ituity. I've considered buying a PS3 just for it, though.

Baseball Stars 2 for the Neo-Geo remains the basball game I've played the most in my life, though. None of the customization that people love about Baseball Stars NES, but it is just so damn gorgeous, and whacking the ball is so satisfying. All kinds of problems with the pitching and outfield defense, though.
   19. Random Transaction Generator Posted: February 02, 2012 at 01:16 PM (#4052012)
#12 It think it had an ESPN branding on it, but I can't seem to find it.
   20. Dan Posted: February 02, 2012 at 01:29 PM (#4052029)
If you are a big baseball fan and like games it is worth buying a PS3 just for MLB The Show.

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