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Monday, March 18, 2013

MLB: Blue-collar Colletti at helm of new-look Dodgers

Ned Colletti entertains…questions from MLB.

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“People talk about the payroll, ‘Oh, gee, the payroll’s over $200 million,’” Colletti said Sunday in an interview with MLB.com at Camelback Ranch. “You know, we were at $90 million last year. You’re the Dodgers and you play in Los Angeles at Dodger Stadium, and you’ve got a chance to draw almost four million people a year. And you’ve got two great baseball cities in Boston and Philly, and their payrolls have been in the $170-$180 [million] range, with two smaller ballparks, too, two smaller areas. If that’s where they’re at and the Yankees are way up there, too, shouldn’t we be somewhere between the Yankees and those two clubs with our payroll, $190-$200[million]?

“If that’s where we were, if that’s where we should have been, is [an increase to over $200 million] a big deal? No, it’s not a big deal. The big deal to me is not that we’re at $200 [million] it’s that we were at $90 [million]. That’s the big deal. If it was $190 last year and we signed [Zack] Greinke and we went up to $210, is it a big deal? No.”

...“Some people like to learn only when it’s convenient,” Colletti says. “But what is important is what you learn when it’s inconvenient, when you have to fight through and deal with adversity. That’s when you really learn, I think.

“That’s really also when you learn about other people. I think our staff did great. Our people stayed in there. [Manager Don Mattingly] kept everybody focused on winning games. Even though our payroll kept shrinking, shrinking, shrinking and the Giants kept winning and their payroll kept going higher while ours kept going lower. We never complained about it, we just said, ‘Hey, our job is to figure out how to win today’s game.’

“We did the best we could. You can’t control results. The only thing you can control, and I ask this of everybody that works in baseball ops, is your own effort. If that’s pure, it that’s everything that everybody’s got, we’ll let the results come however they come.”

Repoz Posted: March 18, 2013 at 05:47 AM | 16 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. RollingWave Posted: March 18, 2013 at 06:06 AM (#4390350)
The Dodgers are now an unholy incarnation of all that's bad of the Red Sox and Yankees aren't they. and it's not like their roster is THAT good for a 200 M one.

   2. RMc's Got a Lot of Trouble at Stake Posted: March 18, 2013 at 08:14 AM (#4390357)
The guy playing the piano is actually Suggsy from Madness.
   3. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: March 18, 2013 at 08:40 AM (#4390364)
That party was swingin' enough even before Jerry Colonna got there!
   4. Dale Sams Posted: March 18, 2013 at 10:08 AM (#4390412)
and it's not like their roster is THAT good for a 200 M one.


I'll bet they win more games than the Phillies, Yankees and Red Sox.

   5. Justin T drives a crooked hoss Posted: March 18, 2013 at 12:31 PM (#4390513)
You're not supposed to be so-so when you get to $200M. It's only once you get to the back-side of the bloated contracts.
   6. RMc's Got a Lot of Trouble at Stake Posted: March 18, 2013 at 12:37 PM (#4390520)
Jerry Colonna makes everything better!
   7. The Pequod Posted: March 18, 2013 at 12:42 PM (#4390528)
Yeah, you can't really compare them to the Phillies, Yankees, and Red Sox because all three of those teams are in the "hangover" period after runs of success.
   8. STIGGLES is more humble than you would understand Posted: March 18, 2013 at 12:58 PM (#4390546)
I'll bet they win more games than the Phillies, Yankees and Red Sox.
combined? i'll take that bet.

The Dodgers are now an unholy incarnation of all that's bad of the Red Sox and Yankees aren't they. and it's not like their roster is THAT good for a 200 M one.
yeah, they kind of did a thing where they purposely traded for players whose teams thought they had no chance at being worth their salary because their performance had declined precipitously, and as a result the dodgers are now paying $75 million to carl crawford, hanley ramirez, adrian gonzalez and josh beckett and expecting those players to shoulder a large burden of the teams' offense/defense/pitching.


the issue here is that the dodgers will be lucky if these players perform at 80% of their peak, but even if they get that. they'll be paying them to perform at 120% of their peak.
   9. There's a bustle in Misirlou's hedgerow Posted: March 18, 2013 at 01:12 PM (#4390553)
the issue here is that the dodgers will be lucky if these players perform at 80% of their peak, but even if they get that. they'll be paying them to perform at 120% of their peak


Hanley and Beckett are being paid $15 mil. They don't need to be 7-8 WAR players to justify that. 80% of their peak (4-5 WAR) will do quite nicely. Crawford is an albatross absolutely, and Gonzalez may prove to be also. But Hanley and Josh are among the least of their worries.
   10. Dale Sams Posted: March 18, 2013 at 01:15 PM (#4390559)
Yeah, you can't really compare them to the Phillies, Yankees, and Red Sox because all three of those teams are in the "hangover" period after runs of success.


That is not accurate of the Red Sox. Exactly which mega-contract are they paying right now thats on the back-end of success?
   11. Walt Davis Posted: March 18, 2013 at 05:38 PM (#4390712)
But Hanley and Josh are among the least of their worries.

But Hanley hasn't been anywhere close to his peak in ages. By b-r, he's been below average for the last 3 years (esp the last 2) but he's one of the players where bWAR and fWAR disagree most strongly. He's not a major worry because he's only got 2/$31 left but he's likely to be a waste of money while he's there. Gonzalez meanwhile was worth 3.2 WAR last year and is just one year removed from his peak. It remains to be seen if last year was just a fluke down year but even if he just repeats 2012, he's no bigger a waste than Hanley is likely to be. He's not (likely) a 2013 problem, he's a problem because he's got another 6 years to go.
   12. The Yankee Clapper Posted: March 18, 2013 at 06:08 PM (#4390727)
The Dodgers are now an unholy incarnation of all that's bad . . .

Guess I'm going to have to make some adjustments, as a fan of the team that now has the 2nd highest payroll in MLB. I'm OK with my favorite team spending more than 28 other MLB teams, but I believe I'm supposed to be OUTRAGED that one team spends more. Do I have that right, Red Sox fans?
   13. Darren Posted: March 18, 2013 at 10:38 PM (#4390878)
Adorable, isn't that what MC called your persecution complex?
   14. Cooper Nielson Posted: March 18, 2013 at 11:06 PM (#4390906)
That party was swingin' enough even before Jerry Colonna got there!

Wow, I love that album cover so much I actually want to marry it. Was there really a time in American history when it was normal for party guests to break out the trombone and trumpet in the middle of the living room? I was born too late!
   15. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: March 18, 2013 at 11:22 PM (#4390924)
and it's not like their roster is THAT good for a 200 M one


Looks pretty meh for a 100M roster even. Lots of dead weight and no bargains (unless 2012 reflects AJ Ellis' talents, but quality seasons out of career minor leaguers rarely repeat).
   16. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: March 19, 2013 at 12:29 AM (#4390965)
Luis Cruz seems to be in the starting lineup. A name that it's hard to say without expecting the response "THE Luis Cruz?"

I always preferred A Lineup? For Screaming!!!

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