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Saturday, July 12, 2014

MLB: Brewers heartbroken by death of Jean Segura’s 9-month-old son

Just awful. Nothing else to say.

MILWAUKEE—Sometimes life trumps losing streaks. Saturday was one of those sometimes for the Milwaukee Brewers.

Players spent the morning trying to focus on an ostensibly big game against the rival Cardinals while hurting inside for shortstop Jean Segura, who was informed following Friday’s series-opening loss that his nine-month-old son, Janniel, had died suddenly in the Dominican Republic. [...]

Segura’s return to the team is open-ended. A player can remain on the bereavement list for a minimum of three games and a maximum of seven.

“He’s emotional, he’s young,” said Roenicke, who fought his own emotion while breaking the news to reporters. “That’s why when I tell you I don’t know what’s going to happen with him, I worry about him.

“He’ll just have to make a decision where he’s at and what he feels like. It’s different with everybody. Some guys might feel like, ‘Hey, I need to get back and I need to play,’ and some other guys just can’t do it.” [...]

Gomez and other Brewers players planned to reach out to Segura during the All-Star break to remind him he was in their thoughts.

“If it was my kids, I probably would stay home. I’m not coming back,” Gomez said. “I don’t know how he’s going to react to coming back. If he’s coming back, we’re going to take care of him and help him to relax and enjoy life again.”

Esoteric Posted: July 12, 2014 at 10:10 PM | 45 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: July 13, 2014 at 04:21 AM (#4749675)
Sad news, my condolences to Segura and his family.
   2. tshipman Posted: July 13, 2014 at 02:36 PM (#4749702)
Segura’s return to the team is open-ended. A player can remain on the bereavement list for a minimum of three games and a maximum of seven.


Seems like seven games wouldn't be enough in this situation (OTOH a lifetime might not be enough either).

Hope that Segura and his family are okay.
   3. Arbitol Dijaler Posted: July 13, 2014 at 08:49 PM (#4749811)
Sad news, my condolences to Segura and his family.


I don't know if the Seguras read this site.
   4. Random Transaction Generator Posted: July 13, 2014 at 09:27 PM (#4749815)
As a recent father, I can't imagine doing anything that involves concentration or focus for a few months if the same thing happened to my family.
   5. Mr2bits Posted: July 13, 2014 at 10:24 PM (#4749830)
I'm pretty sure Segura has team options available, and that in theory there would be nothing stopping the Brewers from exercising one while still paying him as though he's on the active roster. The only issue would be if there was some close call regarding his service time come arbitration and/or free agency.
   6. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: July 13, 2014 at 10:32 PM (#4749834)

I don't know if the Seguras read this site.


Well, yeah. Meatwas should've just said, "Who gives a ####? Never saw the baby die" or something like that, & I guess you'd be happy as hell, you prick.
   7. McCoy Posted: July 13, 2014 at 10:40 PM (#4749837)
Well, he could have said nothing and so could have you.
   8. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: July 13, 2014 at 11:00 PM (#4749842)
And none of us could say anything about anything. What a delightful, bustling place this would be.
   9. Scott Lange Posted: July 14, 2014 at 06:58 AM (#4749873)
3 and 7 are kind of sociopathic, no?
   10. Arbitol Dijaler Posted: July 14, 2014 at 07:27 AM (#4749875)
No, there are plenty of expressions of grief or sympathy that would be less weird than offering condolences to a family to whom you're not actually communicating.
   11. Scott Lange Posted: July 14, 2014 at 07:40 AM (#4749876)
Even if you are right that its weird to express condolences to a grieving family that may not actually read them (and I don't think you are), what goal are you serving by taking the time to pedantically attack someone expressing grief? Its like walking past a funeral, hearing the widow say "I miss you so much, husband," and shouting "hey lady, he can't hear you when he's rotting in the ground!" That's sociopathic.
   12. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: July 14, 2014 at 07:49 AM (#4749877)
No, there are plenty of expressions of grief or sympathy that would be less weird than offering condolences to a family to whom you're not actually communicating.


And yet expressions like "my condolences" or "RIP" are commonplace here whenever baseball players, past & present, experience death or tragedy. What a bunch of weirdos you choose to consort with.

Of course, with any luck we'll all strive to emulate your supreme dickishness from now on. Thank you for sharing it with us & thereby stepping forward to serve as an example for us all.
   13. McCoy Posted: July 14, 2014 at 08:30 AM (#4749878)
How is it sociopathic to tell people that they don't need to have stupid arguments? I mean if you think the death is a tragedy why spend your time instead arguing over something like this on a baseball forum? Read the statement, think to yourself, "what a dick", and move on with your life. If you think post #3 is rude how isn't it rude to then argue about it?
   14. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: July 14, 2014 at 09:02 AM (#4749884)
I just want to add my condolences to the Segura family. I can't imagine losing a child let alone one so young.
   15. Arbitol Dijaler Posted: July 14, 2014 at 09:08 AM (#4749887)
Its like walking past a funeral, hearing the widow say "I miss you so much, husband," and shouting "hey lady, he can't hear you when he's rotting in the ground!"


It is?

To me it seems more like buying a funeral floral arrangement and then sending it to Repoz instead of the Seguras.
   16. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: July 14, 2014 at 09:14 AM (#4749888)
How is it sociopathic to tell people that they don't need to have stupid arguments? I mean if you think the death is a tragedy why spend your time instead arguing over something like this on a baseball forum? Read the statement, think to yourself, "what a dick", and move on with your life. If you think post #3 is rude how isn't it rude to then argue about it?


*Thinks "what a dick," then moves on with life*
   17. An Athletic in Powderhorn™ Posted: July 14, 2014 at 09:22 AM (#4749890)
To me it seems more like buying a funeral floral arrangement and then sending it to Repoz instead of the Seguras.
I think it's just a thing that people say to express "This is horrific. I feel sympathy for these people and wish them the best in dealing with this tragedy." I cosign that statement. I'm sure Meat doesn't think the Seguras are going to read what he wrote, and I don't think the phrase implies that.
   18. Scoriano Flitcraft Posted: July 14, 2014 at 09:30 AM (#4749895)
I cosign that statement.
You're credit is no good here. I am going to need a legitimate guarantor of your obligations.
   19. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: July 14, 2014 at 09:33 AM (#4749896)
You're credit is no good here. I am going to need a legitimate guarantor of your obligations.


Even my reality checks bounce, man.
   20. Scott Lange Posted: July 14, 2014 at 09:36 AM (#4749897)
I just want to add my condolences to the Segura family. I can't imagine losing a child let alone one so young.


Agreed.
   21. McCoy Posted: July 14, 2014 at 09:41 AM (#4749899)

*Thinks "what a dick," then moves on with life*



And yet you clearly haven't.
   22. Bitter Mouse Posted: July 14, 2014 at 09:52 AM (#4749904)
And yet you clearly haven't.


Speaking of unable to move on.

And yes I agree with gef (and others). But most importantly, horrible story and I feel bad for the friends and family, even if they never read about my thoughts. Even then I feel bad for them and wish them the best.
   23. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: July 14, 2014 at 09:55 AM (#4749906)
And yet you clearly haven't.


Of course, in my case, "moves on with life" means coming back to work after 10 days off (counting the weekends & July 4), during which time I accomplished maybe 5 percent of what I really, really needed to (& that was before the washing machine decided to quit in the middle of the load ... please, please, please just be the pump), & I can't blame anyone but myself. And maybe the cats.

*sigh*
   24. Martin Hemner Posted: July 14, 2014 at 10:21 AM (#4749923)
I'm pretty sure Segura has team options available, and that in theory there would be nothing stopping the Brewers from exercising one while still paying him as though he's on the active roster. The only issue would be if there was some close call regarding his service time come arbitration and/or free agency.

I assume he can be placed on the DL if he is gone longer. The point of the bereavement list is so that the team doesn't have to play shorthanded if there is a death in someone's family, not to set a maximum limit on the grief of the individual.
   25. Rusty Priske Posted: July 14, 2014 at 11:05 AM (#4749960)
Here is a thread that should just be deleted, starting with post 3.
   26. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 14, 2014 at 11:25 AM (#4749972)
Segura’s return to the team is open-ended. A player can remain on the bereavement list for a minimum of three games and a maximum of seven.


You'd like to think that under the circumstances, the league could make some kind of exception here if Segura needs more time.

I mean, it's Bud we're talking about, but even he has a kid. Right?
   27. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: July 14, 2014 at 11:41 AM (#4749982)
I wish Jean Segura and his family the best and quickest mental recovery possible. I can't imagine what I would do in his shoes. I would probably either be on the field the day after the funeral just to give myself something to do, or give into other temptations to deal with the infinite heartache.
   28. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: July 14, 2014 at 11:49 AM (#4749991)
You'd like to think that under the circumstances, the league could make some kind of exception here if Segura needs more time.


I'm pretty sure Martin is right that Segura could still go on the DL. The idea behind the bereavement list is for short term situations like a parent passing away where you just need a few days to go home for a funeral then come back to work. I would think the Brewers can put Segura on the traditional 15 day or even 60 day DL if he is going to need more time.
   29. An Athletic in Powderhorn™ Posted: July 14, 2014 at 11:52 AM (#4749996)
You're credit is no good here. I am going to need a legitimate guarantor of your obligations.
It's true, my empathy account has a low limit. But I think I currently have a small surplus. If I am mistaken, please accept AJM's currency in place of my own.
   30. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: July 14, 2014 at 12:22 PM (#4750038)
You gonna pay for those books or what?
   31. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: July 14, 2014 at 12:27 PM (#4750044)
It's true, my empathy account has a low limit. But I think I currently have a small surplus. If I am mistaken, please accept AJM's currency in place of my own.


Well, what about the money you owe for Gold Star's books?
   32. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: July 14, 2014 at 12:39 PM (#4750054)
Srsly.
   33. jayjay Posted: July 14, 2014 at 01:10 PM (#4750067)
This is horrific. I feel sympathy for these people and wish them the best in dealing with this tragedy.
   34. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: July 14, 2014 at 01:29 PM (#4750071)
This is horrific. I feel sympathy for these people and wish them the best in dealing with this tragedy.


It's just some old Bill James Abstracts.
   35. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: July 14, 2014 at 01:33 PM (#4750073)
It's just some old Bill James Abstracts.
Some? Hardly! It was the 82-88 Abstracts, plus the three Baseball Books AND the three Player Ratings Books!
   36. chemdoc Posted: July 14, 2014 at 01:41 PM (#4750078)
Never read those books.
   37. Howie Menckel Posted: July 14, 2014 at 01:50 PM (#4750079)
I don't think well-intentioned expressions of sympathy have to be defended, parsed, or adjudicated as to 'guilty' or not guilty.'

Meanwhile, I work with a woman whose teenage son died a couple of weeks ago of cancer. And she is fighting cancer herself (around age 50), recently finished some rounds of chemo and all. An unspeakable 1-2 punch.

She's already come back to work, and she is still a vibrant, funny woman in the office. We are all more than just a little happy to provide a daily environment of perhaps slightly relative normalcy at this time. Maybe it ain't much, but it's all we've collectively got - and that's a little something, we guess and we hope.

And no, haven't heard anybody question whether she came back too soon. It's her focking decision how to deal with this. I wouldn't guess she badly needs the money or anything, but she does love her job.

I won't get mad, either, if someone expresses any sentiment for a woman they've never met who works with someone else they've never met (assuming you missed the BBTF softball game last month).


   38. Bitter Mouse Posted: July 14, 2014 at 01:56 PM (#4750083)
And no, haven't heard anybody question whether she came back too soon. It's her focking decision how to deal with this.


Yes. People should deal with things as they want.
   39. billyshears Posted: July 14, 2014 at 02:08 PM (#4750091)
This is the best argument in the history of BBTF.
   40. Davo Dozier Posted: July 14, 2014 at 02:24 PM (#4750098)
Empathy: For or Against?
   41. Greg K Posted: July 14, 2014 at 02:38 PM (#4750115)
Empathy: For or Against?

I'd have to go with "for", provided I can reserve the right to abhor Betazoid/Human miscegenation.

Also, there were three Baseball Books? I only have the 1990 one, which I dearly love.

Thirdly, poor Jean Segura.
   42. Batman Posted: July 14, 2014 at 04:05 PM (#4750182)
You'd like to think that under the circumstances, the league could make some kind of exception here if Segura needs more time.
I would think so. I haven't been able to find the actual rule about the bereavement list, but mentions of bereavement before Segura say it's 3-7 days, not games. If no extension is available, does the all-star break count?
   43. Ron J2 Posted: July 14, 2014 at 04:23 PM (#4750193)
#16 I've always felt that the most important thing I got from reading Ball Four was the introduction to, "Consider the source"

It's McCoy. What did you expect?
   44. Zach Posted: July 14, 2014 at 04:27 PM (#4750196)
Who bends not his ear to any bell which upon any occasion rings? but who can remove it from that bell which is passing a piece of himself out of this world? No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were: any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. Neither can we call this a begging of misery, or a borrowing of misery, as though we were not miserable enough of ourselves, but must fetch in more from the next house, in taking upon us the misery of our neighbours. Truly it were an excusable covetousness if we did, for affliction is a treasure, and scarce any man hath enough of it. No man hath affliction enough that is not matured and ripened by it, and made fit for God by that affliction. If a man carry treasure in bullion, or in a wedge of gold, and have none coined into current money, his treasure will not defray him as he travels.

If only John Donne had had internet discussion boards, he would never have needed to covet other people's misery.
   45. Willie Mayspedester Posted: July 14, 2014 at 04:49 PM (#4750218)
Man what a bad piece of news and thread...

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