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Friday, August 07, 2009

MLB | Brian Bannister: “If Bill James had a 90-mph fastball, he’d be me.”

Okay, so the real headline is “For Bannister, the secret is in the numbers,” but sometimes you just have to go with the juicy pull-quote.

Bannister recalls Rick Peterson, the Mets’ pitching coach at the time, talking about pitch counts. It was simple math—“If you get ahead of a guy in an 0-2 count, his batting average goes down,” Bannister says—but the message stuck.

“It got me intrigued into how different things affect my future success in this game,” Bannister says. “It’s been a process, because nobody is out there using sabermetrics as a tool in player development.

“I kind of feel like I’m a pioneer in that aspect of the game. That every fifth day when I go out there, the Major Leagues is kind of my way to apply this stuff and see if it can be used in the future for developing players.”

Bannister sees flaws in the traditional way pitchers are judged. An ERA is a good measurement of success, but it’s limited, he says.

To get a real indication of his effectiveness, Bannister looks at other stats. He looks at BABIP—batting average of balls in play—and FIP, which takes fielding out of the equation and measures pitchers based on homers allowed, walks, hit batters and strikeouts.

“I think people universally agree—in the sabermetric community and the fan community and in the media community—that sabermetrics are effective at identifying successful baseball players and ways to win this game,” Bannister says.

[...]

Bannister knows that other players might not be as easily convinced. But if any player—or any person—wants to talk numbers or advanced stats or Pitch f/x ratios, Bannister is always up for it.

“I think it’ll be a tool used for player development as soon as somebody can explain how it can be used,” he said. “I don’t think guys are going to risk their careers trying to follow something they don’t understand. That’s why I think what I’m doing is fairly unique. I’m pretty much doing it on my own as a way to get better.”

Esoteric Posted: August 07, 2009 at 04:24 PM | 23 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: royals, sabermetrics

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   1. regfairfield Posted: August 07, 2009 at 06:03 PM (#3284379)
Bannister is definitely the league leader in wedgies received.
   2. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 07, 2009 at 06:06 PM (#3284388)
This guy is going to be a top pitching coach some day.
   3. Jon T. Posted: August 07, 2009 at 06:10 PM (#3284395)
Nice article.
   4. Repoz Posted: August 07, 2009 at 06:12 PM (#3284398)
This guy is going to be a top pitching coach some day.

MAD SCIENTIST!

(guzzles endless diet cokes)
   5. Zach Posted: August 07, 2009 at 06:14 PM (#3284405)
Only if they threw the radar gun the other way, Brian.
   6. konaforever Posted: August 07, 2009 at 06:21 PM (#3284420)
If I had Brad Pitts looks, I'd be Brad Pitt.
   7. Tripon Posted: August 07, 2009 at 06:23 PM (#3284424)
Why can't Bannister do it the old fashioned way, with copious amounts of steroid usage?
   8. I Am Not a Number Posted: August 07, 2009 at 06:45 PM (#3284464)
Bannister is definitely the league leader in wedgies received.

Him or Ross Ohlendorf.
   9. Baseball Mogul 2003 Posted: August 07, 2009 at 06:52 PM (#3284476)
Only because (pitcher) Chris Young is big enough to beat up the entire team.

edit: Dammit, this account is only supposed to post in Pavano threads. Baseball needs more pitchers like Carl Pavano.
   10. Dirty Tom Rackham Posted: August 07, 2009 at 06:57 PM (#3284482)
Sounds like Bannister is overqualified to be the Royals GM.
   11. Tuque Posted: August 07, 2009 at 07:14 PM (#3284517)
If I had the given name "Bill" and the surname "James," I'd be Bill James.
   12. CraigK Posted: August 07, 2009 at 07:28 PM (#3284538)
Someone at one of the sabermetric sites like Baseball Prospectus, Hardball Times, or Fangraphs needs to extend a guest writing spot to Banny or Ohlendorf. I'm sure they'd accept.
   13. Swoboda is freedom Posted: August 07, 2009 at 07:55 PM (#3284566)
Baseball needs more pitchers like Carl Pavano.

If there were more pitchers like Carl Pavano, there would be a lot less pitchers like Carl Pavano.
   14. Designated Sitter (GGC) Posted: August 07, 2009 at 08:14 PM (#3284605)
If Bill James spent most of his workday shirking his assignments and posting here, he'd be me.
   15. Sleepy supports unauthorized rambling Posted: August 07, 2009 at 08:17 PM (#3284609)
The clear follow-up question that didn't get asked was: "so, if you (bannister) had a 90-mph fastball, who would YOU be?"

(I know, he hits 90 sometimes, but not usually)
   16. The Marksist Posted: August 07, 2009 at 08:22 PM (#3284620)
This thread delivers.
   17. AROM Posted: August 07, 2009 at 08:37 PM (#3284643)
If I had the given name "Bill" and the surname "James," I'd be Bill James.


Not me. I'd be Willie James.
   18. Brandon in MO (Yunitility Infielder) Posted: August 07, 2009 at 09:48 PM (#3284752)
Billy Mays: "If Bill James pitched products and used drugs, he'd be me"
   19. JE Posted: August 07, 2009 at 10:07 PM (#3284774)
If there were more pitchers like Carl Pavano, there would be a lot less pitchers like Carl Pavano.


Originally said by Hawkeye about Colonel Flagg, right?
   20. Matthew E Posted: August 08, 2009 at 12:50 AM (#3284924)
If I had some ham, I'd have ham and eggs, if I had eggs.
   21. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: August 08, 2009 at 01:59 AM (#3285047)
Billy Mays: "If I was a pitcher, I would pitch for the Royals...and yes, that accounts for the fact that I am dead."
   22. Mike Emeigh Posted: August 08, 2009 at 04:56 AM (#3285760)
because nobody is out there using sabermetrics as a tool in player development.


Well, it depends on what you mean by "sabermetrics". Most teams do use some form of statistical analysis to evaluate players (their own and others).

-- MWE
   23. KJOK Posted: August 08, 2009 at 05:07 AM (#3285779)
I don't think he's talking about evaluation, but instead about teaching/coaching/improving performance thru "sabermetrics".

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