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Thursday, April 18, 2013

MLB: Bryce Harper tallies four hits despite suffering from flu

Four for five, despite being on an IV drip right up until the first pitch and vomiting in the 2nd inning.  Yeah, he’s a gamer.

[M]ake no mistake about it: Bryce Harper was still sick.

The 20-year-old phenom went 4-for-5 with a double and an RBI and recorded three hits off Marlins starter Ricky Nolasco in the Nationals’ 6-1 win over the Marlins after sitting out the previous game due to a stomach flu that kept him up all night.

But Harper deemed himself well enough to play after a pregame IV, and he said he felt “solid as a rock” afterward. He simply wasn’t going to sit out Wednesday, even as bad as he felt on the field.

“I was still struggling. The biggest thing was trying to keep everything down and fluids down,” Harper said afterward. “I think getting in the box and swinging made my head spin a little bit. It was just a matter of trying to have good ABs and trying to get some knocks and trying to help the team out.”

Believe it or not, Harper said his worst moment wasn’t when he left the dugout to vomit in the second inning. He felt the worst after a sixth-inning double off Nolasco. He was bending over, sick and worn out, but he kept playing.

“I thought he was going to die every time he went up there and he got a hit,” Nationals manager Davey Johnson said.

His last hit (shown in the video at the link) was the most impressive.  Top of the 9th, two outs, already up 5-1, he hits an infield grounder…and beats the throw to first base, allowing another run to score.

Esoteric Posted: April 18, 2013 at 11:52 AM | 49 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Anonymous Observer Posted: April 18, 2013 at 01:03 PM (#4417995)
But Harper deemed himself well enough to play after a pregame IV, and he said he felt “solid as a rock” afterward.


I guess some PEDs are fine afterall.
   2. McCoy Posted: April 18, 2013 at 01:06 PM (#4418000)
Bryce Harper the new Matt Wieters.
   3. Esoteric Posted: April 18, 2013 at 01:16 PM (#4418021)
Except he's doing the things that we were only promised from Matt Wieters.
   4. bigglou115 Posted: April 18, 2013 at 01:51 PM (#4418094)
I'm just throwing this out there, but what in the world would posses the Nationals to let him on the field if he's so sick he has to throw up in the dugout between innings. If we buy the notion that injuries are more common when player's are tired, isn't this just asking for trouble? More importantly, what if he got even sicker because he didn't rest? is the one game worth losing him for a week for want of one day off?

I get that the kid is almost supernaturally talented, but if the Nationals are going to let the 20 year old kid call the shots then something is going to go mighty wrong before Harper's tenure in DC is over.
   5. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 18, 2013 at 01:57 PM (#4418099)
I'm just throwing this out there, but what in the world would posses the Nationals to let him on the field if he's so sick he has to throw up in the dugout between innings. If we buy the notion that injuries are more common when player's are tired, isn't this just asking for trouble? More importantly, what if he got even sicker because he didn't rest? is the one game worth losing him for a week for want of one day off?

But are his muscles tired? I would think not. He just feels crappy b/c of the virus.

Feeling crappy probably makes you less likely to overexert yourself and cause injury. I think the real danger is when someone is physically hurt and they take pain killers to mask the pain and get out there anyway.
   6. boteman is not here 'til October Posted: April 18, 2013 at 02:02 PM (#4418108)
What could possibly go wrong???
   7. The Good Face Posted: April 18, 2013 at 02:04 PM (#4418112)
I'm just throwing this out there, but what in the world would posses the Nationals to let him on the field if he's so sick he has to throw up in the dugout between innings. If we buy the notion that injuries are more common when player's are tired, isn't this just asking for trouble? More importantly, what if he got even sicker because he didn't rest? is the one game worth losing him for a week for want of one day off?

I get that the kid is almost supernaturally talented, but if the Nationals are going to let the 20 year old kid call the shots then something is going to go mighty wrong before Harper's tenure in DC is over.


He's 20 years old, in great physical shape, and has an off day today. It's the flu, not like he's gutting things out on a bad hamstring or something.
   8. bigglou115 Posted: April 18, 2013 at 02:07 PM (#4418115)
Feeling crappy probably makes you less likely to overexert yourself and cause injury. I think the real danger is when someone is physically hurt and they take pain killers to mask the pain and get out there anyway.


Ordinarily I'd agree with you, and I certainly think your spot on about pain killers. But mental exhaustion and loss of equilibrium would probably make this a pretty dangerous situation in its own right. If he loses focus while chasing down a fly ball and twists his ankle he's still hurt, and that's entirely the kind of thing I'd expect from a situation like this.

BTW, I can't speak for everyone, but the times I've had the flu muscle fatigue has been a severe symptom. Weakness in the knees is actually indicative of the flu, isn't it?
   9. bigglou115 Posted: April 18, 2013 at 02:09 PM (#4418119)
He's 20 years old, in great physical shape, and has an off day today. It's the flu, not like he's gutting things out on a bad hamstring or something.


Well, leaving aside what I think is an increased chance of injury, I think letting Harper decide to play sets a bad precedent. But then again, I think the other way can lead to bad stuff too, i.e. Freeman will probably hide his next muscle sprain from the Braves.
   10. zack Posted: April 18, 2013 at 02:33 PM (#4418156)
I have the flu right now, and walking two blocks leaves me feeling like I just ran a marathon and ready to heave.

Harper is cray-cray.
   11. DA Baracus Posted: April 18, 2013 at 02:42 PM (#4418177)
Meh. He was playing the Marlins.
   12. Tuque Posted: April 18, 2013 at 02:50 PM (#4418189)
Did he walk around the dugout in a bubble suit? If he infects the rest of the team then that's certainly not going to help their win total. Unless they start intentionally infecting the opposition too.
   13. Esoteric Posted: April 18, 2013 at 02:54 PM (#4418198)
Unless they start intentionally infecting the opposition too.
Huh. You know, I was wondering why the Nationals drafted Typhoid Mary with their 2nd-round pick last year, but now I'm beginning to see the outlines of a strategy.
   14. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 18, 2013 at 03:03 PM (#4418212)
I have the flu right now, and walking two blocks leaves me feeling like I just ran a marathon and ready to heave.

Harper is cray-cray.


He went 4 for 5. He must have been feeling better than you.
   15. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: April 18, 2013 at 03:07 PM (#4418219)
Never saw him get shut down.
   16. dlf Posted: April 18, 2013 at 03:22 PM (#4418241)
Was it the flu or the Mickey Mantle / Whitey Ford "flu-like symptoms"?
   17. Esoteric Posted: April 18, 2013 at 04:03 PM (#4418292)
Was it the flu or the Mickey Mantle / Whitey Ford "flu-like symptoms"?
Seeing as how 1.) Harper doesn't drink as he is both underage and a Mormon; 2.) He and Denard Span were both out of the prior game because of the flu (and Span sat last night as well), I'm pretty confident the answer is no.

I mean, unless that was one *hell* of a bender the two of them went on together.
   18. Joey B.: posting for the kids of northeast Ohio Posted: April 18, 2013 at 04:11 PM (#4418304)
Was it the flu or the Mickey Mantle / Whitey Ford "flu-like symptoms"?

That's a clown question, bro.
   19. Chris Needham Posted: April 18, 2013 at 04:19 PM (#4418311)
He's underage? Oh, well CLEARLY he's not drinking then.
   20. zack Posted: April 18, 2013 at 04:47 PM (#4418345)
You don't get hungover when you're 20, unless you've been an alcoholic since you were 12.
   21. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 18, 2013 at 04:49 PM (#4418349)
You don't get hungover when you're 20, unless you've been an alcoholic since you were 12.

BS. I got hungover in college.

Dehydration does not spare the young.
   22. The Yankee Clapper Posted: April 18, 2013 at 04:51 PM (#4418353)
I have the flu right now, and walking two blocks leaves me feeling like I just ran a marathon and ready to heave.

Harper is cray-cray.


The kid is made of sterner stuff than your typical Primate.
   23. Walt Davis Posted: April 18, 2013 at 05:24 PM (#4418392)
Dehydration does not spare the young.

Hence the IV.

I wouldn't have let him play but I suppose, yeah, one of the main reasons you feel so crappy is the dehydration and once you get that sorted, you'll feel a lot better. A hydrated Harper shouldn't be feeling woozy, etc so I guess maybe there's not much added risk. Re-dehydrating by puking between innings is not recommended though. :-)

I once played a full IM basketball game with the flu (or an exceptionally bad cold ... not the stomach variety). I was "fine" as long as I was moving but I did nothing but violently hack and wheeze during halftime and after the game. Not one of the smarter things I've ever done but not as dumb as playing basketball about 10 hours after giving blood. Can you do that Mr. Baseball Superstar? Huh?
   24. deputydrew Posted: April 18, 2013 at 05:55 PM (#4418438)
4-5 is impressive, but two were groundballs-with-eyes through the infield and one was a broken-bat that he beat out with some good hustle. The double wasn't particularly hard hit, but was a solid line-drive down the line. A good day, but it's not like he was hitting lasers all over the field.
   25. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili(Teddy F. Ballgame) Posted: April 18, 2013 at 06:18 PM (#4418475)
BTW, I can't speak for everyone, but the times I've had the flu muscle fatigue has been a severe symptom. Weakness in the knees is actually indicative of the flu, isn't it?


Yes, but that's really the flu. The "stomach flu" that people talk about all the time just means that they're puking their guts out for what could be any number of reasons that have nothing to do with influenza.
   26. RMc's desperate, often sordid world Posted: April 18, 2013 at 07:36 PM (#4418560)
My wife said that they shouldn't have let him play with the flu. "He's just a baby!" she says.

My wife is awesome.
   27. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 18, 2013 at 08:24 PM (#4418587)
4-5 is impressive, but two were groundballs-with-eyes through the infield and one was a broken-bat that he beat out with some good hustle. The double wasn't particularly hard hit, but was a solid line-drive down the line. A good day, but it's not like he was hitting lasers all over the field.

Tough crowd.
   28. Esoteric Posted: April 18, 2013 at 08:30 PM (#4418598)
and one was a broken-bat that he beat out with some good hustle.
Yeah, but that's precisely what's so impressive. Take a look again at his last hit of the day (it's in the link) -- that was an infield grounder, in the ninth inning, with two outs and the Nats already up four runs against the least threatening team in baseball (Giancarlo Stanton = not in the lineup). And yet he still was busting his ass like a madman to beat out the throw by a split second, allowing the runner on third to score. All this despite being violently ill the day before and on an IV drip (and puking!) during the game.

That's just some damn impressive heart right there.

Also, his beard is veering dangerously close to Werthian proportions at this point. It's beginning to look kinda cool on him, actually.
   29. cardsfanboy Posted: April 18, 2013 at 09:05 PM (#4418632)
one was a broken-bat that he beat out with some good hustle.


As Esoteric points out, that has to be considered impressive.

Mind you I don't get people getting excited over someone with the flu having a good day. It's the flu, man up. But it's impressive on this guy because of all the bs that he took about his attitude and it shows his character that he is willing to tough it out even though the team would have been perfectly willing to let him rest.

Well, leaving aside what I think is an increased chance of injury, I think letting Harper decide to play sets a bad precedent. But then again, I think the other way can lead to bad stuff too, i.e. Freeman will probably hide his next muscle sprain from the Braves.


The story in St Louis was that JD Drew tried to play through some pain and TLR convinced him to take days off if he was hurt...somehow he missed the point that there is a difference between taking a day off because you can't perform, and that it is acceptable to play at less than 100%.
   30. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: April 19, 2013 at 02:04 AM (#4418885)
You don't get hungover when you're 20, unless you've been an alcoholic since you were 12.


Where do you come up with this crap? I can remember being hungover many times in my late teens and very early 20's and I didn't start drinking until I was 17.

Snapper is right, dehydration does not discriminate.
   31. McCoy Posted: April 19, 2013 at 10:28 AM (#4419198)
I think I got my first hangover around 32, I remember drinking and getting drunk in my teens and 20's and thinking what was the big deal about hangovers. Hell, I still think that as I've never had the stereotypical hangover.
   32. The Good Face Posted: April 19, 2013 at 10:33 AM (#4419204)
I think I got my first hangover around 32, I remember drinking and getting drunk in my teens and 20's and thinking what was the big deal about hangovers. Hell, I still think that as I've never had the stereotypical hangover.


Getting drunk. You're doing it wrong.
   33. Ron J2 Posted: April 19, 2013 at 12:13 PM (#4419352)
#31 I've never had a hangover. Maybe because I'm a sleepy drunk.

Mind you, now I can't get drunk. My body reacts badly to more than about two beers (or similar amount of alcohol in other forms). Joys of aging.
   34. dlf Posted: April 19, 2013 at 12:25 PM (#4419365)
Seeing as how 1.) Harper doesn't drink as he is both underage and a Mormon ...


Wait, what? No Catholic ever uses birth control? No Jew enjoys a bacon double cheeseburger? No Jane ever slaps a mosquito? No Southern Baptist ever dances? No twenty-year old ever drinks to excess? I'm thinking that the above quote evidences the greatest degree of naivete since learning that the Easter Bunny isn't real.
   35. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: April 19, 2013 at 01:15 PM (#4419422)
So supposedly the Nationals took Bryce Harper's Opening Day jersey and sold it at auction, without his permission or telling him they were going to do that. He was not thrilled. Considering it was his first Opening Day, I'm sure he had designs on keeping it.

Though I'm sure the jersey is technically the Nationals property and they can do what they want with it, etc., this wasn't very cool of the Nats.
   36. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: April 19, 2013 at 01:17 PM (#4419429)
I think I got my first hangover around 32, I remember drinking and getting drunk in my teens and 20's and thinking what was the big deal about hangovers. Hell, I still think that as I've never had the stereotypical hangover.

I'm with you, McCoy. I'm still waiting for my first true hangover, whatever that is.
   37. bunyon Posted: April 19, 2013 at 02:27 PM (#4419519)
Dock and McCoy, you have to stop drinking at some point to get the hangover. Carry on.
   38. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 19, 2013 at 02:43 PM (#4419541)
Man you people who don't get hungover, #### you. From the time I started drinking when I was 19 right through college and to today I have always gotten massive, god awful hangovers. One of my best friends was one of you ######## who didn't get hangovers. He'd visit me at school, we'd get smashed and the next morning he'd be up and at 'em and I'd be wondering if stabbing myself in the eyeball with a butter knife would be preferable to the headache/stomachache/general misery that was my hangover.

the Easter Bunny isn't real.


Wait. What? ####.
   39. McCoy Posted: April 19, 2013 at 02:45 PM (#4419546)
So supposedly the Nationals took Bryce Harper's Opening Day jersey and sold it at auction, without his permission or telling him they were going to do that. He was not thrilled. Considering it was his first Opening Day, I'm sure he had designs on keeping it.

Though I'm sure the jersey is technically the Nationals property and they can do what they want with it, etc., this wasn't very cool of the Nats.


I'm surprised he didn't realize that as they were promoting at the ballpark for awhile. It wasn't Harper's jersey that got auctioned but a bunch of game used opening day stuff. Bases, balls, bats, hats, and so on.
   40. PreservedFish Posted: April 19, 2013 at 02:53 PM (#4419554)
I've never heard of anyone that doesn't get hangovers. I'm guessing you people don't drink enough.
   41. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 19, 2013 at 03:02 PM (#4419565)
I've never heard of anyone that doesn't get hangovers. I'm guessing you people don't drink enough.

Or drink a metric #### ton of water when you drink.

If you have enough alcohol to get you good and drunk, it's very, very hard not to get dehydrated.
   42. PreservedFish Posted: April 19, 2013 at 03:16 PM (#4419585)
The water only helps so much. I've had quarts of water before bed, after a hard drinking night. It ameliorates hangovers but does not prevent them.
   43. McCoy Posted: April 19, 2013 at 03:30 PM (#4419591)
Somehow I don't think my problem is that I didn't drink enough.
   44. The Good Face Posted: April 19, 2013 at 04:03 PM (#4419632)
Somehow I don't think my problem is that I didn't drink enough.


It's where all the evidence is pointing right now...
   45. PreservedFish Posted: April 19, 2013 at 08:31 PM (#4419922)
Seriously, this is a phenomenon I have never heard of. You can drink 15 beers and feel perfect the next day?
   46. McCoy Posted: April 19, 2013 at 09:22 PM (#4420008)
It takes you 15 beers to get so drunk that you have a hangover the next day?
   47. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 19, 2013 at 10:30 PM (#4420092)
It takes you 15 beers to get so drunk that you have a hangover the next day?

For a hangover just from beer? You're talking double digit beers, unless it's some crazy Belgian 8% alcohol beer.
   48. boteman is not here 'til October Posted: April 20, 2013 at 01:11 AM (#4420191)
A paramedic friend of mine told me that you feel drained, dazed, and confused because you piss away all your electrolytes, so drink your Gatorade or other tonics to restore your electrolytes. That's your real Hangover Helper.
   49. bigglou115 Posted: April 20, 2013 at 01:29 AM (#4420194)
The water only helps so much. I've had quarts of water before bed, after a hard drinking night. It ameliorates hangovers but does not prevent them.


You can't drink it all at once, your body can't absorb enough in one go to rehydrate you. You've got to drink as you drink. I generally have cup of water between every drink and I never get hung over.

Although, I was also one of those weirdos who didn't ever worry about getting hung over in my teens and early 20s. I turned 25 and went out with friends and got the worst hangover of my life. (Not counting the 3 days I was so hungover I couldn't eat after I passed the bar exam last year, that was a special occasion and no man should ever drink 2 bottles of champagne and wash it down with with his cousin's homemade apple pie)

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