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1. Gamingboy Posted: December 20, 2012 at 05:51 PM (#4329607)Whatever you say Brett, er Roger. I mean Bud.
Generlissimo Francisco Franco eventually did, so yeah.
MLB hasn't missed a game, not even a preseason one since 1995. I think that is worth more than a few postseason format changes. Plus he was a big part in starting the World Baseball classic, which is totally awesome.
Hello, Bitter Selective Endpoints Instructor.
We went back & forth over whether it would be a former player or not. It was agreed that Joe Torre would have a shot if he were younger and/or wanted a new job.
But an ownership guy is a much more likely outcome, so we came up with Nolan Ryan (actually, Steve T did & we others agreed). Well respected ownership guy and Hall of Fame player known even by casual fans, he was our top choice, but of course it's pretty damned hard to game this bet.
True. MLB has performed better economically than the NFL, NBA and NHL in the past decade - and done so without individual and team salary caps and collars. Once Bud and his hardliners and Don Fehr stopped fighting earlier battles and let Rob Manfred and Michael Weiner do the heavy lifting in negotiations, significant progress was made. (Your opinion of progress may vary)
Bud Selig, currently the best commissioner of a major sports league.....wow!
He's bad as in evil. He masterminds political deals that forcibly confiscate money from taxpayers (us) for the private enrichment of his cartel cronies.
But that's his job and what the owners employ him to do. He has indeed performed pretty damn well for them. It's not Bud's job to care about whatever traditions he's ruining, as long as it makes money.
I think that in the absence of a heart, you can cut the head off, fill the neck stump with garlic, pound nails into the soles of his feet, and re-bury him upside-down.
And isn't every team pulling like 500 trillion dollars a year in TV money now? Everyone wins there.
head splode.
dave, do you do that regularly? i might be in s.f. sometime in january.
I like Bud Selig as a commissioner, if you grade him on post 1995. He isn't perfect, the Expos thing was downright criminal, beyond that, almost every move he has made as commissioner, I have agreed with.
Loria or Bush Jr.?
I'd have to go with the later.
I'd have been fine with the Expos thing if it ended with Loria teamless. Applauded it, even.
may he rot in he!!
selig has learned that working with the players union is better for the money side of the game, and has managed to get the owners on board with that. otherwise, i think he's a real weasel.
dave: thanks, i will.
Mostly agree, the thing that I like about him, is he realizes that things are inevitable and that being either overly aggressive or passive is not the way to go. He's letting things happen naturally.
So I guess he won't be put on the Executives ballot and voted into the HOF?
mlb has done a solid job connecting with fans via the new mediums available
i know bud cannot even handle his own email but he has not gotten in the way of that progress
...so, I was writing this, and then I refreshed and saw that Jose made the same point. Coke to Jose.
That's a great point. I think MLB's use of new media is leaps and bounds better than what I see in other sports. I'm a big hockey fan (ugh) and MLB's online and app options are roughly eleventy billion times better than what the NHL has to offer.
The other former owner that comes to mind is George W Bush. I would imagine he's one of the few guys who would consider baseball commissioner a step up from the presidency.
Have any of the four major sports had a former player as commissioner? The one example I can think of is George Mikan in the ABA.
Everybody? I ain't seen a dime yet.
Selig was a prime mover-and-shaker in all the taxpayer stadium scams. Just because he was working for the owners doesn't absolve him of those actions.
Until this offseason when they have started integrating with some Grantland knockoff that displays football stories most of the time.
But I also don't celebrate his retirement or hope for its imminence, because his replacement will be a lot worse.
If his replacement will be a lot worse, that means that the commish isn't just a stooge of the owners (because otherwise there wouldn't be much of a change with a new commish). And that means that we should attribute more of the praise/blame for the good/bad things to Selig.
On the plus side:
1) There hasn't been a work stoppage since '95.
On the minus side:
1) Cancelling the '94 World Series
2) The "Steroid Era"
3) The systematic, deliberate destruction of the Expos, and then letting Loria have the Marlins after that.
4) Systematically bullying the public into paying for new stadiums
5) The introduction of wild cards and the corresponding devaluing of the regular season.
please note, had expanded playoffs resulted from an expansion to 32 teams and 8 4-team divisions I wouldn't have had a problem with it.
6) The dismantling of the AL and NL as individual entities, including the introduction of inter-league play.
(I don't know if I can really blame Selig for this completely, as free agency made it kind of inevitable as players changed leagues more,
but I'm still not thrilled with it, as it's very much made the World Series and All-Star game feel less special.)
I'm sure there's more, but that's just my "off the top of my head" list... and I know there are a lot of people who will see 5 & 6 as positives, but I'm one of those pesky traditionalists who doesn't.
Oh, and while I was mostly kidding about the Loria as commish thing, it wouldn't completely stun me... I mean, who's the owner that's probably been Selig's closest ally/pawn? Who's the one who's been at the heart of so many of Selig's schemes?
Implemented instant replay in the most time consuming and illogical way possible. It not only hurts the game but makes actual near-immediate replay a much harder sell.
Trying to enforce "suggestions" on team's spending in the draft.
The massive conflict of interest resulting from an owner making decisions that affect the team that he owns, which went on for what felt like forever. The incredibly jackass divisional setup that had six teams in one and four teams in another... which was a direct result of the aforementioned conflict of interest. Bald-faced lying to Congress about the financial state of the game. The sale of TV rights to the highest bidder, regardless of the manner in which the game would be presented or the broadcasts prioritized on the network level. Illegal collusion among ownership to hold down player salaries in 2003. "This Time It Counts!" Bases with ads on them. This memorable moment of decisive leadership. And that's just off the top of MY head...
If wanting to see Bud Selig tied up in a sack and vigorously beaten with a rake is wrong, I don't want to be right.
Dave DeBusschere (former MLB pitcher as well!) was the ABA's final commish.
Unacceptable ... unless the sack is in flames at the time.
I could get on board with that, as long as you're willing to risk damaging the rake.
unsure who the kingmaker will be this time around. what are the perceived interest groups within the ownership population?
Isn't that one of the strengths of Bud's tenure, is that he got rid of the factions to make it basically 29 owners jointly committed and the Yankees.
I do imagine at some point in time, the Yankees/Los Angeles/and a few other teams will form their own faction.
that cohesion always fractures when the guy/gal holding it together leaves/dies
that's the nature of corporate politics. they were all beholden to bud because he made most of them even richer but if he leaves well now it's scr8w the other guys how do i get mine?
I would also add to negative side the feet dragging on the decision of the A's new ballpark
DeWitt possibly is someone to look out for.
thanks God that doesn't happen in other sports...oh, wait...
The only two guys I can think if who would be worse than Bud Light are that #%^*+ Loria or Fred Wilpon.
If either one of them gets it I'm defecting to soccer.
Which is weird because who the hell is Jerry Reinsdorf and why should anyone listen to him?
Sports On Earth is tremendous. It is better than Grantland, and had Joe Posnanski writing every day about the pennant races and playoffs when it started.
Disregarding their ages, suggesting yourself for the job would be more realistic.
In a moral sense, Selig deserves blame for everything that's been listed. Even if his choices are constrained, he's still taken those actions. But in a practical sense, we can't reasonably expect a commissioner to be better than Selig, and we can (I argue) reasonably expect him to be worse.
Are you just trolling? You're going to loooove the guys who run soccer organizations around the world.
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