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MLB Endcaps: Who was the first player younger than you to play in MLB, and the last player older than you to play in the MLB?
Older Player Endcap: This is not just the oldest active player ever. For example, Jason Giambi is not the oldest player to ever play a game. He played until he was 43. He was born on January 8, 1971. But, if you were born on June 6, 1971, Giambi was the last player older than you to play in the majors.
If there are still active players older than you, we just tell you who the oldest one is (Hi Bartolo).Younger Player Endcap: This is not the youngest player to ever play. This is the first player to get in a game who was younger than you were on that day.
For example: Josh Beckett is younger than CC Sabathia. But CC made it to the majors before Beckett did, so if you were born on March 22, 1980, CC is your Endcap, not Beckett.
I ended up with Ivan Rodriguez and Jason Giambi. Not a bad combination…
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Doing it the hard way, I think el Guapo, Rich Garces was the first. He was born 5-18-71 and first played as a 19 year old in 1990. I would not have guessed that, I thought Pudge might be the guy. Garces didn't complete his 10th MLB inning until he was 24, so at the time I probably had no idea who he was. There are a few players born later than me in my birth year of 1970, but none made the majors that quickly.
Darren Oliver is the last player older than me to play, in 2013. His last game was a few days after Mariano's last game.
At least until Rafael Palmeiro, Julio Franco, or Jamie Moyer makes a comeback.
sadly, Big Sexy is a couple months younger than I am.
I'd like to see this for managers and GMs ... actually, thinking about that take that back, I'd hate to see that.
This makes a huge different if you were born on January 30, 1947 like my dad, as that is the diviiding line between Tommy John (1989) and Nolan Ryan (1993).
Greer went 0-for-4 in his entire major-league career, but by his early 20s, he was putting up some Mark-Reynolds-like numbers in the minors. 1982 in A-ball, .200 25 89 with 106 walks and 183 strikeouts. 1983 in AA/AAA, .252 31 99 with 103 walks and 202 strikeouts. I think in the 2010s he'd have come up to the majors for an extended tryout. Greer was a fast outfielder, too, not just some big galoot. But in 1983 nobody wanted a guy who struck out that much.
Last player older, Julio Franco. Those are less interesting. Last player older than my father was Minnie Minoso, but that's a technicality. Minoso must be the last player older than millions of people.
I remember that Jose Rijo made a comeback after many years away, but he was only 37 in his last game.
But that made me wonder if there were any birthdates that would be "endcapped" by the same player. Of course, I soon realized that was logically impossible.
However, I can still ask: Are there any players who appear on both of these lists? That is, when they debuted, they were the youngest player (latest born) in major league history, and after their last game, no one older (born earlier) ever played in the majors again?
B-Ref has leaderboards for oldest and youngest players. I guess such players would have to appear on both, unless logic is failing me :) I can't spot any offhand who are on both. Some great players are on the "youngest" list and played a very long time (Ty Cobb, Eddie Collins) but there was someone older in their last years (in their case, Jack Quinn).
You could be born between two twin brothers, and one of them could be the first player younger than you and the other could be the last player older than you.
I have the same two players. Are you my sock puppet or am I yours?
Todd Van Poppel and Jason Giambi for me.
This is me, exactly. I could have sworn it was Pudge, but it's Garces. If you were born after May 18, then it's Pudge. Obviously Pudge was the first player that I knew of that was younger than me, so he's the one I remember.
And Giambi's the last for me. I did not know that.
Ha. Mine too.
Keep on playin', Big Sexy, you're making me feel young.
Younger: Jose Rijo
Older: Jamie Moyer, of course.
Jeez, it would have been nice to have had a Hall of Famer as one of them.
Beltre could make it.
Julio Franco- yes, I remember when he retired, and I admitted I was too old to play MLB :)
He certainly could. I wouldn't have thought that 39 was exceptionally old, but right now there appear to be only five players older. Chase Utley and Victor Martinez are the position players, and they are slowing down even quicker than Beltre. The problem will be the pitchers, of course. Colon could outlast the entire human race. Peter Moylan seems like a completely fungible pitcher, but those are precisely the guys who never quit. And Fernando Rodney, though two years older than Beltre, is pitching as well as he ever has (well, except for that one goofy year he had a 0.60 ERA; but basically Rodney is the one player older than Beltre who is not in any sort of decline).
eta: That Tigers team won five out of six to close out the year and avoid losing as many games as the 1962 Mets.
ACTUALLY I was going to recount an interesting anecdote about Fred Manrique, but it turns out I'm thinking of Al Pedrique.
Same. Betemit played like 5 games as a 19 year old and then didn't come back until he was 22. Meh.
My dad's is Mike Morgan and Julio Franco. I don't know why I'm surprised, but as ancient as Franco is, I figured he was still younger than my dad. I remember Mike Morgan as one of those guys you always got in baseball card packs that you never really wanted. Him and Mike Gallego. The filler Mikes. Interestingly, Morgan played until he was 42...I wonder if he could also be the oldest guy on someone's list.
Edit: Of course not, that will always be Julio Franco. That was a silly thought.
I was surprised that Ed Nunez was just 18 when he started - he's the first one younger than me.
-- MWE
Which facility? I might be able to swing by and watch.
-- MWE
Per B-R, there are 2 players in the NL older than me: Peter Moylan and Chase Utley. And 5 in the AL: Colon, Ichiro, Rodney, VMart, and Beltre. One of those has already retired, another is on a retirement tour. VMart is likely to retire after the season whether he wants to or not. Beltre is considering. But the pitchers could go on forever. Rodney is probably the most likely.
Same here.
He could, but I don't think he will. The differences between this year and the last two are pretty stark, and I suspect he will be toast in a year, maybe two at most.
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Last year we played at the Angels for our stadium game (Tempe Diablo) but it could also be Rockies (Talking Stick). Somewhere in that area.
(I see TomH has my guys as well)
If the CIA was wondering about me ;)
Whereas #19 with TVP as his first youngest is in a window of less than two weeks (older than TVP but younger than I-Rod).
I just hope Adrian lasts long enough to get to the new Rangers ballpark in 2020 and become a four-decade player.
And that might be enough. Colon isn't likely to go much longer. Utley is done after this year. Martinez has less in the tank than AB. It just comes down to the two relievers, Moylan (who isn't very good this year) and the surprising Rodney. Odds are Rodney outlasts him, but he's the only one that would seem to be likely to hang them up after Adrian.
My last older was another guy who broke in with the Padres, a couple of years after Franklin. Had a somewhat better career than Franklin. Actually, somewhat better than most of the 10,000+ players who debuted before him. Fella name of Winfield.
Interestingly, Franklin's page at BRef still shows a sponsor; I thought they'd all lapsed by now.
I was born in 1974, and it looks like R.A. Dickey will be the last active player who was born that year. Two players (Ichiro and Colon) born in 1973 have played this year, but nobody born in 1974, 1975, or 1976 has made a major league appearance in 2018.
Yep, count me in.
Guess that means we're days-to-a couple months younger than Rally and Man O' Schwar (the Darren Oliver endcap case, which begins if you were born ON Jason's birthday), and 4-8.5 months older than Cooper Nielson.....
Bartolo Colon, who retired today, was the last active Major League Home Run Derby player to play for the Texas Rangers. The Rangers, who played in the American League in MLHRD's predecessor Major League Baseball, relocated to Inuvik, Northwest Territories 15 years ago after the Dallas area became an uninhabitable desert. Colon pitched for the Fairbanks (formerly Tampa Bay) Rays since 2228, although he had seen decreased duty as a member of the team's 48-man bullpen in recent years. Colon was ineffective this year, allowing 15 home runs in 17 innings pitched while striking out only 48.
The problem, if he can maintain even that level for a while, is finding a role for him. "Very good 3B can play about half a season, DH'ing part of the time, very modest power, can't run, can bat .280, doesn't walk much." But heck, guys like Gary Gaetti and Graig Nettles played into their 40s hitting worse than Beltre. I think if he makes up his mind to it, he can probably play till he's 41-42 by accepting less money and an intentionally part-time role. Whether he wants that is an open question.
"Rays since 2228, although he had seen deceased duty"
I mean, he's over 260 years old. Surely somewhere along the way science figured out a way to allow the dead to keep pitching.
Of course, he helped us win in 09 and had some cromulent seasons around that, so that's pretty good for a ballplayer.
But that was way back before the days of 3 and 4-man benches. It's harder to slot a player with Beltre's remaining strengths into a bench with tightly-controlled roles of "backup catcher," "backup infielder," "backup outfielder," and "backup IF/OF." What's the point of making room for fun legends like Beltre when you can keep 2 more anonymous relievers in the back of the bullpen?
I have Benji Gil and the inevitable Jason Giambi.
New and hot DH argument: Yankee pitchers shouldn't have to run the basezzz!!! (Unrelated: The Mets suck for not trading deGrom!)
Jamie Moyer on the other end was much more obvious.
Because the ageless Bartolo was just put on the DL and might be done for the year.
The site looks like it has a bug, in that the output is a day early on the birthday it lists for every player. For example, it says Colon was born on May 23, but he was actually born May 24. (The players it gives you are correct for any given birthday you input, it just lists the wrong birthdays for the players in the output.)
So, then, we're about the same age, since that's my pair.
wouldn't that be to ensure that the player in question was born before you?
if you go by the birthday, maybe you were born at 10 am and he was born at noon - so he's not older. the guy born a day before you HAS to be older.
wait, that's not what you're saying.
either way, the "bug" is that you'd need time of birth for you and the player to know for sure.
and now I feel like the guy who liked the butterfly so much that he squashed it, flattened it, and put it in a scrapbook.
They take up almost all of 1969, and only leak a little into 1968.
So, if you have Ken and Omar, this one's for us.
My youngest player is Rick Ankiel. IF he can successfully come back as a LOOGY, I have an outside chance of having the youngest and oldest player be the same. He'd have to outlast Colon, Fernando Rodney, Brad Zeigler, Peter Moylan, Beltre, Chase Utley, and Victor Martinez (who I had no idea was still playing).
I am now Rick Ankiel's biggest fan.
Also--I feel old now--that guy who already had TWO baseball careers and is crazily seeking a third act......
Charley O'Leary, who went 1-1 with a run scored at age 58, is kind of amazing-- 3581 PA and 0.2 WAR at BBRef. He's one of the ten most replacementish batters ever, by BBRef's ratings. 3000+ PA, and between 0.2 and -0.2 WAR:
Player WAR/pos PA From ToSki Melillo 0.2 5537 1926 1937
Heinie Sand 0.2 3529 1923 1928
Gene Michael 0.2 3092 1966 1975
Charley OLeary 0.2 3580 1904 1934
Otto Miller 0.1 3050 1910 1922
Jorge Cantu -0.1 3395 2004 2011
Henry Blanco -0.1 3087 1997 2013
Gerald Perry -0.1 3527 1983 1995
Walter Holke -0.1 4831 1914 1925
Marty Perez -0.1 3463 1969 1978
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 8/24/2018.
Perry, Cantu, and Blanco are the ones I saw play. If you'd told me that they were among the most replacementish batters in history, I would have absolutely believed you.
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