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MLB Endcaps: Who was the first player younger than you to play in MLB, and the last player older than you to play in the MLB?

Older Player Endcap: This is not just the oldest active player ever. For example, Jason Giambi is not the oldest player to ever play a game. He played until he was 43. He was born on January 8, 1971. But, if you were born on June 6, 1971, Giambi was the last player older than you to play in the majors.
If there are still active players older than you, we just tell you who the oldest one is (Hi Bartolo).

Younger Player Endcap: This is not the youngest player to ever play. This is the first player to get in a game who was younger than you were on that day.
For example: Josh Beckett is younger than CC Sabathia. But CC made it to the majors before Beckett did, so if you were born on March 22, 1980, CC is your Endcap, not Beckett.

I ended up with Ivan Rodriguez and Jason Giambi.  Not a bad combination…

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   1. Rally Posted: August 24, 2018 at 08:30 AM (#5732783)
The endcap finder in the linked page didn't work for me.

Doing it the hard way, I think el Guapo, Rich Garces was the first. He was born 5-18-71 and first played as a 19 year old in 1990. I would not have guessed that, I thought Pudge might be the guy. Garces didn't complete his 10th MLB inning until he was 24, so at the time I probably had no idea who he was. There are a few players born later than me in my birth year of 1970, but none made the majors that quickly.

Darren Oliver is the last player older than me to play, in 2013. His last game was a few days after Mariano's last game.

At least until Rafael Palmeiro, Julio Franco, or Jamie Moyer makes a comeback.
   2. Mefisto Posted: August 24, 2018 at 08:40 AM (#5732784)
Hm. Larry Christenson and Dave Winfield.
   3. Greg K Posted: August 24, 2018 at 08:47 AM (#5732787)
Jose Reyes - Bartolo Colon (though I guess that just means there are a bunch of active players older than me).
   4. Cooper Nielson Posted: August 24, 2018 at 08:52 AM (#5732790)
Benji Gil - Jason Giambi
   5. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: August 24, 2018 at 08:55 AM (#5732791)
Julian Tavarez - LaTroy Hawkins

sadly, Big Sexy is a couple months younger than I am.
   6. dlf Posted: August 24, 2018 at 08:57 AM (#5732792)
I have at least an outside chance of having HOFers at both ends: Robbie Alomar and Omar Vizquel.

I'd like to see this for managers and GMs ... actually, thinking about that take that back, I'd hate to see that.
   7. RMc Has Bizarre Ideas to Fix Baseball Posted: August 24, 2018 at 08:58 AM (#5732794)
Blame it on Rijo.
   8. . . . . . . Posted: August 24, 2018 at 09:00 AM (#5732795)
Stupidly, the code eliminates players born on the same date as you rather than offering them and the alternative as options.

This makes a huge different if you were born on January 30, 1947 like my dad, as that is the diviiding line between Tommy John (1989) and Nolan Ryan (1993).
   9. BDC Posted: August 24, 2018 at 09:03 AM (#5732797)
First player younger, for me, is a guy named Brian Greer. I'd known his name as the answer to this meaningless question for some time, but never looked at his B-Ref page before. He was a first-round draft pick out of high school in 1977, and the Padres brought him up for a single at-bat that same year even though he'd batted .188 at Walla Walla.

Greer went 0-for-4 in his entire major-league career, but by his early 20s, he was putting up some Mark-Reynolds-like numbers in the minors. 1982 in A-ball, .200 25 89 with 106 walks and 183 strikeouts. 1983 in AA/AAA, .252 31 99 with 103 walks and 202 strikeouts. I think in the 2010s he'd have come up to the majors for an extended tryout. Greer was a fast outfielder, too, not just some big galoot. But in 1983 nobody wanted a guy who struck out that much.

Last player older, Julio Franco. Those are less interesting. Last player older than my father was Minnie Minoso, but that's a technicality. Minoso must be the last player older than millions of people.
   10. Gary Truth Serum Posted: August 24, 2018 at 09:03 AM (#5732799)
I seemed to remember that mine were Ken Griffey Jr. and Omar Vizquel, and the site confirmed it for me.
   11. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: August 24, 2018 at 09:18 AM (#5732804)
I was keeping careful track around that time and the first player younger than me was Edgar Gonzalez on the Diamondbacks. And this website... agrees!
   12. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 24, 2018 at 09:31 AM (#5732810)
Jose Oquendo and Jamie Moyer.
   13. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 24, 2018 at 09:33 AM (#5732812)
I knew this already, but my endpoints were Ed Kirkpatrick and Tommy John. Kirkpatrick made his debut at 17 while I was on the bus to Durham to begin my first year of college. John made his last appearance at 46 in 1989, two months before my 45th birthday. My wife's endcaps were Mike Morgan and Julio Franco.
   14. Cooper Nielson Posted: August 24, 2018 at 09:35 AM (#5732814)
Blame it on Rijo.

I remember that Jose Rijo made a comeback after many years away, but he was only 37 in his last game.

But that made me wonder if there were any birthdates that would be "endcapped" by the same player. Of course, I soon realized that was logically impossible.

However, I can still ask: Are there any players who appear on both of these lists? That is, when they debuted, they were the youngest player (latest born) in major league history, and after their last game, no one older (born earlier) ever played in the majors again?
   15. BDC Posted: August 24, 2018 at 09:46 AM (#5732820)
Are there any players who appear on both of these lists?


B-Ref has leaderboards for oldest and youngest players. I guess such players would have to appear on both, unless logic is failing me :) I can't spot any offhand who are on both. Some great players are on the "youngest" list and played a very long time (Ty Cobb, Eddie Collins) but there was someone older in their last years (in their case, Jack Quinn).
   16. villageidiom Posted: August 24, 2018 at 09:57 AM (#5732827)
Wilson Alvarez and Mariano Rivera.
   17. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: August 24, 2018 at 10:00 AM (#5732828)
But that made me wonder if there were any birthdates that would be "endcapped" by the same player. Of course, I soon realized that was logically impossible.


You could be born between two twin brothers, and one of them could be the first player younger than you and the other could be the last player older than you.
   18. Cleveland (need new name) fan Posted: August 24, 2018 at 10:01 AM (#5732831)
First player younger, for me, is a guy named Brian Greer. I'd known his name as the answer to this meaningless question for some time, but never looked at his B-Ref page before. He was a first-round draft pick out of high school in 1977, and the Padres brought him up for a single at-bat that same year even though he'd batted .188 at Walla Walla.

Greer went 0-for-4 in his entire major-league career, but by his early 20s, he was putting up some Mark-Reynolds-like numbers in the minors. 1982 in A-ball, .200 25 89 with 106 walks and 183 strikeouts. 1983 in AA/AAA, .252 31 99 with 103 walks and 202 strikeouts. I think in the 2010s he'd have come up to the majors for an extended tryout. Greer was a fast outfielder, too, not just some big galoot. But in 1983 nobody wanted a guy who struck out that much.

Last player older, Julio Franco.


I have the same two players. Are you my sock puppet or am I yours?


   19. Spahn Insane Posted: August 24, 2018 at 10:02 AM (#5732832)
Heh--I love threads like this.

Todd Van Poppel and Jason Giambi for me.
   20. PreservedFish Posted: August 24, 2018 at 10:15 AM (#5732837)
Wilson Betemit and not applicable. I think I've got a few years left before that cruel reminder of mortality.
   21. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: August 24, 2018 at 10:31 AM (#5732848)
With over 1600 games of pitching between them, Terry Forster and Goose Gossage.
   22. Greg Pope Posted: August 24, 2018 at 10:35 AM (#5732850)
el Guapo, Rich Garces was the first. He was born 5-18-71 and first played as a 19 year old in 1990. I would not have guessed that, I thought Pudge might be the guy. Garces didn't complete his 10th MLB inning until he was 24, so at the time I probably had no idea who he was.

This is me, exactly. I could have sworn it was Pudge, but it's Garces. If you were born after May 18, then it's Pudge. Obviously Pudge was the first player that I knew of that was younger than me, so he's the one I remember.

And Giambi's the last for me. I did not know that.
   23. bunyon Posted: August 24, 2018 at 10:41 AM (#5732853)
So how many Rich Garces-Jason Giambi pairs are we going to generate?
   24. RoyalFlush Posted: August 24, 2018 at 10:47 AM (#5732862)
Julian Tavarez - LaTroy Hawkins

sadly, Big Sexy is a couple months younger than I am.


Ha. Mine too.
   25. Lassus Posted: August 24, 2018 at 10:49 AM (#5732863)
16. villageidiom Posted: August 24, 2018 at 09:57 AM (#5732827)
Wilson Alvarez and Mariano Rivera.
Bingo.
   26. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 24, 2018 at 10:49 AM (#5732864)
Edgar Renteria and Bartolo Colon.

Keep on playin', Big Sexy, you're making me feel young.
   27. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 24, 2018 at 10:59 AM (#5732866)
I got the long-and-short of a good pitching staff.

Younger: Jose Rijo
Older: Jamie Moyer, of course.
   28. JL72 Posted: August 24, 2018 at 10:59 AM (#5732867)
Cooper and I are close in age, as my answer is also Benji Gil and Jason Giambi.
   29. oscar madisox Posted: August 24, 2018 at 11:07 AM (#5732874)
For me it's Seattle pitcher Ed Nunez and some guy named Clemens, who hung around til he was 45.

Jeez, it would have been nice to have had a Hall of Famer as one of them.

   30. SoSH U at work Posted: August 24, 2018 at 11:08 AM (#5732876)
B-Ref has leaderboards for oldest and youngest players. I guess such players would have to appear on both, unless logic is failing me :) I can't spot any offhand who are on both. Some great players are on the "youngest" list and played a very long time (Ty Cobb, Eddie Collins) but there was someone older in their last years (in their case, Jack Quinn).


Beltre could make it.
   31. Khrushin it bro Posted: August 24, 2018 at 11:12 AM (#5732881)
Carlos Zambrano and Big Sexy.
   32. JJ1986 Posted: August 24, 2018 at 11:16 AM (#5732899)
I'm pretty sure the younger one is Justin Upton. I will predict that Tony Watson ends up as the last older.
   33. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: August 24, 2018 at 11:18 AM (#5732904)
Ivan Rodriguez, Mariano Rivera.
   34. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 24, 2018 at 11:19 AM (#5732909)
The younger one is Andruw Jones, which I think I knew at some point in my life, and I'm still clinging to one older active player. Long may you run, Big Sexy. Well, not actually run, because that might give you a heart attack, but you know what I mean.
   35. Man o' Schwar Posted: August 24, 2018 at 11:22 AM (#5732919)
Rich Garces and Darren Oliver. Not a great pairing.
   36. TomH Posted: August 24, 2018 at 11:29 AM (#5732937)
Fred Manrique? I never even hearsd of him!
Julio Franco- yes, I remember when he retired, and I admitted I was too old to play MLB :)
   37. BDC Posted: August 24, 2018 at 11:32 AM (#5732946)
Beltre could make it


He certainly could. I wouldn't have thought that 39 was exceptionally old, but right now there appear to be only five players older. Chase Utley and Victor Martinez are the position players, and they are slowing down even quicker than Beltre. The problem will be the pitchers, of course. Colon could outlast the entire human race. Peter Moylan seems like a completely fungible pitcher, but those are precisely the guys who never quit. And Fernando Rodney, though two years older than Beltre, is pitching as well as he ever has (well, except for that one goofy year he had a 0.60 ERA; but basically Rodney is the one player older than Beltre who is not in any sort of decline).
   38. mathesond Posted: August 24, 2018 at 11:37 AM (#5732953)
I wound up with a starter & a closer - Steve Avery & Mariano Rivera.
   39. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: August 24, 2018 at 11:51 AM (#5732981)
Jeremy Bonderman and Bartolo. Bonderman was on that 119 loss Tigers team... and never managed to be much of a pitcher. One decent season in 2006 and then injuries more or less ended his career.

eta: That Tigers team won five out of six to close out the year and avoid losing as many games as the 1962 Mets.
   40. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: August 24, 2018 at 11:54 AM (#5732984)
Fred Manrique? I never even hearsd of him!

ACTUALLY I was going to recount an interesting anecdote about Fred Manrique, but it turns out I'm thinking of Al Pedrique.
   41. perros Posted: August 24, 2018 at 12:33 PM (#5733026)
Pete Smith and Moyer.
   42. Khrushin it bro Posted: August 24, 2018 at 12:39 PM (#5733029)
I'm heading to Arizona to play a 35 and older wood bat tournament in the spring training fields in a month, I will outlast them all! Muaahahahaha!
   43. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: August 24, 2018 at 12:39 PM (#5733030)
Gary Sheffield and Omar Vizquel
   44. Baldrick Posted: August 24, 2018 at 12:43 PM (#5733034)
Wilson Betemit and not applicable. I think I've got a few years left before that cruel reminder of mortality.

Same. Betemit played like 5 games as a 19 year old and then didn't come back until he was 22. Meh.
   45. JAHV Posted: August 24, 2018 at 12:47 PM (#5733036)
Jeremy Bonderman as the young end. I'll always associate him with those terrible Tiger teams of the early aughts, even though he pitched fairly well that one year when the Tigers made the World Series. He was even decent in the playoffs. But then he was mediocre to bad every other season, including that comeback three years after everyone thought he was retired. I've got a few years to go before the old end becomes applicable. Hopefully it's Pujols.

My dad's is Mike Morgan and Julio Franco. I don't know why I'm surprised, but as ancient as Franco is, I figured he was still younger than my dad. I remember Mike Morgan as one of those guys you always got in baseball card packs that you never really wanted. Him and Mike Gallego. The filler Mikes. Interestingly, Morgan played until he was 42...I wonder if he could also be the oldest guy on someone's list.

Edit: Of course not, that will always be Julio Franco. That was a silly thought.
   46. KJOK Posted: August 24, 2018 at 12:50 PM (#5733038)
I knew Julio Franco was my last player older than, as he kept coming back until he was 49.
I was surprised that Ed Nunez was just 18 when he started - he's the first one younger than me.
   47. slothinator Posted: August 24, 2018 at 12:52 PM (#5733043)
Ismael Valdez and Bartolo Colon
   48. Mike Emeigh Posted: August 24, 2018 at 12:58 PM (#5733051)
Butch Wynegar and Dennis Martinez. Which I already knew.

-- MWE
   49. Mike Emeigh Posted: August 24, 2018 at 01:04 PM (#5733055)
I'm heading to Arizona to play a 35 and older wood bat tournament in the spring training fields in a month, I will outlast them all! Muaahahahaha!


Which facility? I might be able to swing by and watch.

-- MWE
   50. DCA Posted: August 24, 2018 at 01:10 PM (#5733061)
Rick Ankiel for the first younger. Last time I remember this coming up, it was pretty common, so I'm surprised I'm the first one to get him.

Per B-R, there are 2 players in the NL older than me: Peter Moylan and Chase Utley. And 5 in the AL: Colon, Ichiro, Rodney, VMart, and Beltre. One of those has already retired, another is on a retirement tour. VMart is likely to retire after the season whether he wants to or not. Beltre is considering. But the pitchers could go on forever. Rodney is probably the most likely.
   51. Endless Trash Posted: August 24, 2018 at 01:11 PM (#5733062)
Justin Upton and lots of players are older than me.
   52. Yonder Alonso in misguided trousers (cardinal) Posted: August 24, 2018 at 01:12 PM (#5733063)
Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 24, 2018 at 10:49 AM (#5732864)
Edgar Renteria and Bartolo Colon.


Same here.
   53. Mike Emeigh Posted: August 24, 2018 at 01:15 PM (#5733066)
Beltre could make it.


He could, but I don't think he will. The differences between this year and the last two are pretty stark, and I suspect he will be toast in a year, maybe two at most.

-- MWE
   54. Kiko Sakata Posted: August 24, 2018 at 01:19 PM (#5733070)
I already knew both of these without checking at the link (although I checked it to confirm it). Apparently, I'm very close in age to Pat Rapper's Delight, because my answers are the same as his in #43: Gary Sheffield and Omar Vizquel. Seems pretty good.
   55. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: August 24, 2018 at 01:32 PM (#5733085)
Happy 50th, Kiko!
   56. Kiko Sakata Posted: August 24, 2018 at 01:35 PM (#5733087)
Happy 50th, Kiko!


Thanks! Same to you!
   57. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 24, 2018 at 01:44 PM (#5733091)
Oscar Gamble & Charlie Hough. I retain memories of both, so not that old!
   58. RickA. Posted: August 24, 2018 at 01:55 PM (#5733100)
Ken Griffey Jr. and Omar Vizquel
   59. Khrushin it bro Posted: August 24, 2018 at 01:56 PM (#5733103)
#49

Schedule

This is the division, they haven't announced the schedule yet.

35 Wood Rookie
Sunday, September 30 – Wednesday, October 3, 2018
Championships: Wednesday, October 3, 2018
Please be prepared to play Championship at either: 8:30 AM, 12:00 PM, 3:30PM, or 7:00PM

Last year we played at the Angels for our stadium game (Tempe Diablo) but it could also be Rockies (Talking Stick). Somewhere in that area.
   60. Howie Menckel Posted: August 24, 2018 at 02:00 PM (#5733107)
I got Fred Manrique and - like millions of others - Julio Franco. If I was 3 years older, I'd still get Julio Franco.

(I see TomH has my guys as well)
   61. BrianBrianson Posted: August 24, 2018 at 02:02 PM (#5733110)
Yeah, I'm another Bonderman & Colon. Which puts us between 24th January, 1982, and 28th October, 1982.

If the CIA was wondering about me ;)
   62. For the Turnstiles (andeux) Posted: August 24, 2018 at 02:30 PM (#5733142)
Gil/Giambi for me as well. It looks like that combination covers a little more than five months of birth dates. (Younger than Melvin Nieves, older than Raul Ibanez).
Whereas #19 with TVP as his first youngest is in a window of less than two weeks (older than TVP but younger than I-Rod).
   63. ajnrules Posted: August 24, 2018 at 02:42 PM (#5733153)
Bartolo - Felix

He could, but I don't think he will. The differences between this year and the last two are pretty stark, and I suspect he will be toast in a year, maybe two at most.

I just hope Adrian lasts long enough to get to the new Rangers ballpark in 2020 and become a four-decade player.
   64. SoSH U at work Posted: August 24, 2018 at 02:43 PM (#5733154)
He could, but I don't think he will. The differences between this year and the last two are pretty stark, and I suspect he will be toast in a year, maybe two at most.


And that might be enough. Colon isn't likely to go much longer. Utley is done after this year. Martinez has less in the tank than AB. It just comes down to the two relievers, Moylan (who isn't very good this year) and the surprising Rodney. Odds are Rodney outlasts him, but he's the only one that would seem to be likely to hang them up after Adrian.
   65. Stormy JE Posted: August 24, 2018 at 02:47 PM (#5733159)
Wilson Alvarez and Mariano Rivera.
Me too. :(((
   66. Hysterical & Useless Posted: August 24, 2018 at 02:48 PM (#5733161)
My 1st younger is Jay Franklin, of whom I'd never heard, who got into 3 games with the Padres in September of '71; he was 18. Kept trying until 1977, but never made it back to the majors.

My last older was another guy who broke in with the Padres, a couple of years after Franklin. Had a somewhat better career than Franklin. Actually, somewhat better than most of the 10,000+ players who debuted before him. Fella name of Winfield.

Interestingly, Franklin's page at BRef still shows a sponsor; I thought they'd all lapsed by now.
   67. Nasty Nate Posted: August 24, 2018 at 02:48 PM (#5733162)
It appears none of you bozos was born within a few months of me!
   68. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 24, 2018 at 03:03 PM (#5733174)
Colon isn't likely to go much longer.
...we all said in 2014.
   69. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: August 24, 2018 at 03:07 PM (#5733181)
In the various threads about "who will be the last Expo", there was always someone saying Colon, even though many younger players seemed like better bets (Jon Rauch, Maicer Izturis, Chad Cordero who is 9 years younger and retired in 2011).
   70. Batman Posted: August 24, 2018 at 03:15 PM (#5733188)
A-Rod and Bartolo Colon for me.

I was born in 1974, and it looks like R.A. Dickey will be the last active player who was born that year. Two players (Ichiro and Colon) born in 1973 have played this year, but nobody born in 1974, 1975, or 1976 has made a major league appearance in 2018.
   71. Tom T Posted: August 24, 2018 at 03:15 PM (#5733189)
So how many Rich Garces-Jason Giambi pairs are we going to generate?


Yep, count me in.

Guess that means we're days-to-a couple months younger than Rally and Man O' Schwar (the Darren Oliver endcap case, which begins if you were born ON Jason's birthday), and 4-8.5 months older than Cooper Nielson.....
   72. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 24, 2018 at 03:23 PM (#5733199)
In the various threads about "who will be the last Expo", there was always someone saying Colon,
Fairbanks, Alaska - July 20, 2235:

Bartolo Colon, who retired today, was the last active Major League Home Run Derby player to play for the Texas Rangers. The Rangers, who played in the American League in MLHRD's predecessor Major League Baseball, relocated to Inuvik, Northwest Territories 15 years ago after the Dallas area became an uninhabitable desert. Colon pitched for the Fairbanks (formerly Tampa Bay) Rays since 2228, although he had seen decreased duty as a member of the team's 48-man bullpen in recent years. Colon was ineffective this year, allowing 15 home runs in 17 innings pitched while striking out only 48.
   73. BDC Posted: August 24, 2018 at 03:24 PM (#5733200)
Beltre's power has diminished quite a bit, and he can't run the bases full out without pulling a hamstring. He's still pretty good at third base, though, and his approach to hitting, which was always focused on contact, is now geared at just putting the ball in play instead of driving it. The spectacle of a ball in play these days seems to perplex defenses quite a bit :) so he's got a BAbip of .336 this year, and that's not far above his BAbip over the last few years.

The problem, if he can maintain even that level for a while, is finding a role for him. "Very good 3B can play about half a season, DH'ing part of the time, very modest power, can't run, can bat .280, doesn't walk much." But heck, guys like Gary Gaetti and Graig Nettles played into their 40s hitting worse than Beltre. I think if he makes up his mind to it, he can probably play till he's 41-42 by accepting less money and an intentionally part-time role. Whether he wants that is an open question.
   74. Rally Posted: August 24, 2018 at 03:41 PM (#5733219)
#72 is hilarious. Even more so when I read this "Rays since 2228, although he had seen decreased duty" as

"Rays since 2228, although he had seen deceased duty"

I mean, he's over 260 years old. Surely somewhere along the way science figured out a way to allow the dead to keep pitching.
   75. Blastin Posted: August 24, 2018 at 03:45 PM (#5733223)
Phil Hughes is 13 days younger than I am, and I always wanted him and his slackjawed face to do well for us.

Of course, he helped us win in 09 and had some cromulent seasons around that, so that's pretty good for a ballplayer.
   76. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: August 24, 2018 at 03:45 PM (#5733225)
But heck, guys like Gary Gaetti and Graig Nettles played into their 40s hitting worse than Beltre.

But that was way back before the days of 3 and 4-man benches. It's harder to slot a player with Beltre's remaining strengths into a bench with tightly-controlled roles of "backup catcher," "backup infielder," "backup outfielder," and "backup IF/OF." What's the point of making room for fun legends like Beltre when you can keep 2 more anonymous relievers in the back of the bullpen?
   77. BDC Posted: August 24, 2018 at 03:56 PM (#5733231)
Good (if sad) point, Rapper.
   78. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: August 24, 2018 at 03:58 PM (#5733233)
Last player older, Julio Franco. Those are less interesting. Last player older than my father was Minnie Minoso, but that's a technicality. Minoso must be the last player older than millions of people.
My grandfather has (had) Satchel Paige as the last player older than him. If my grandfather had been 12 years younger than he was, he still would've had Satchel Paige. First player younger than grandpa was Mel Harder. Of the two, the guy with 38 fewer WAR is the obvious Hall of Famer.

I have Benji Gil and the inevitable Jason Giambi.
   79. Perry Posted: August 24, 2018 at 04:28 PM (#5733260)
Robin Yount and Dennis Eckersley.
   80. Stormy JE Posted: August 24, 2018 at 04:43 PM (#5733266)
But that was way back before the days of 3 and 4-man benches. It's harder to slot a player with Beltre's remaining strengths into a bench with tightly-controlled roles of "backup catcher," "backup infielder," "backup outfielder," and "backup IF/OF." What's the point of making room for fun legends like Beltre when you can keep 2 more anonymous relievers in the back of the bullpen?
Old and busted DH argument: Fans want to see Gaetti, Nettles, and Winfield play one or two more seasons.

New and hot DH argument: Yankee pitchers shouldn't have to run the basezzz!!! (Unrelated: The Mets suck for not trading deGrom!)
   81. phredbird Posted: August 24, 2018 at 05:30 PM (#5733313)
Robin Yount, which I knew, and Dennis Martinez, which I did not.
   82. Tree Posted: August 24, 2018 at 05:46 PM (#5733322)
The site said Jose Rijo, but to me it will always be Dwight Gooden. Gooden debuted 3 days later than Rijo in 1984.

Jamie Moyer on the other end was much more obvious.
   83. Walt Davis Posted: August 24, 2018 at 06:25 PM (#5733341)
The first player younger than me is a nobody. The last player older than me is obvious.
   84. Greg Pope Posted: August 24, 2018 at 06:51 PM (#5733347)
Debuts are pretty self-explanatory, but does the site count the last appearance, or is it last time on a roster?

Because the ageless Bartolo was just put on the DL and might be done for the year.
   85. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: August 24, 2018 at 07:16 PM (#5733354)
Jon Garland was apparently the first player younger than me. Several guys still playing who are older.

The site looks like it has a bug, in that the output is a day early on the birthday it lists for every player. For example, it says Colon was born on May 23, but he was actually born May 24. (The players it gives you are correct for any given birthday you input, it just lists the wrong birthdays for the players in the output.)
   86. Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew Posted: August 24, 2018 at 07:16 PM (#5733356)
A Rod and Bartolo for me.
   87. Greg Pope Posted: August 24, 2018 at 07:18 PM (#5733357)
For President Grover Cleveland it's Art Allison and Dickey Pierce.
   88. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: August 24, 2018 at 08:09 PM (#5733368)

Heh--I love threads like this.

Todd Van Poppel and Jason Giambi for me.
So, then, we're about the same age, since that's my pair.
   89. Howie Menckel Posted: August 24, 2018 at 08:21 PM (#5733377)
The players it gives you are correct for any given birthday you input, it just lists the wrong birthdays for the players in the output.)

wouldn't that be to ensure that the player in question was born before you?

if you go by the birthday, maybe you were born at 10 am and he was born at noon - so he's not older. the guy born a day before you HAS to be older.

wait, that's not what you're saying.

either way, the "bug" is that you'd need time of birth for you and the player to know for sure.

and now I feel like the guy who liked the butterfly so much that he squashed it, flattened it, and put it in a scrapbook.
   90. dirk Posted: August 24, 2018 at 08:27 PM (#5733382)
garland and colon for me too. happy birthday inge, i imagine it's soon.
   91. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: August 24, 2018 at 08:35 PM (#5733385)
I just meant that it says Garland’s birthday is Sept. 26, 1979 when it’s actually Sept. 27. However, if you enter Sept. 26 as your birthday, it correctly tells you that Garland was the first player younger than you—which would be true regardless of what time of day either of you was born.
   92. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: August 24, 2018 at 08:36 PM (#5733386)
Thanks dirk, same to you.
   93. Astroenteritis Posted: August 24, 2018 at 08:43 PM (#5733390)
Brian Greer (career 5g) and Jesse Orosco (career 1252g)
   94. Ziggy's screen name Posted: August 24, 2018 at 08:53 PM (#5733398)
Babe Ruth gets Merito Acosta and Fred Johnson. Neither of whom I've ever hear of. Johnson pitched at ages 28 and 29, and then again at 44 and 45. There's got to be a story in there somewhere. Merito Acosta was a replacement-level fourth outfielder for the Senators.
   95. Omineca Greg Posted: August 24, 2018 at 09:00 PM (#5733405)
Griffey Jr. and Vizquel.

They take up almost all of 1969, and only leak a little into 1968.

So, if you have Ken and Omar, this one's for us.

Gainsbourg et son Gainsborough
Ont pris le ferry-boat
De leur lit par le hublot
Ils regardent la côte
Ils s'aiment et la traversée
Durera toute une année
Ils vaincront les maléfices
Jusqu'en soixante-dix

Soixant'neuf année érotique
Soixant'neuf année érotique

Gainsbourg et son Gainsborough
Vont rejoindre Paris
Ils ont laissé derrière eux
La Tamise et Chelsea
Ils s'aiment et la traversée
Durera toute une année
Et que les dieux les bénissent
Jusqu'en soixante-dix

Soixant'neuf année érotique
Soixant'neuf année érotique

Ils s'aiment et la traversée
Durera toute une année
Il pardonn'ra ses caprices
Jusqu'en soixante-dix

Soixant'neuf année érotique
Soixant'neuf année érotique

Gainsbourg
   96. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 24, 2018 at 09:01 PM (#5733406)
Because the ageless Bartolo was just put on the DL and might be done for the year.
This did not happen because I refuse to accept it.
   97. rickey steals third person Posted: August 24, 2018 at 09:24 PM (#5733420)
Cooper Nielsen:

My youngest player is Rick Ankiel. IF he can successfully come back as a LOOGY, I have an outside chance of having the youngest and oldest player be the same. He'd have to outlast Colon, Fernando Rodney, Brad Zeigler, Peter Moylan, Beltre, Chase Utley, and Victor Martinez (who I had no idea was still playing).

I am now Rick Ankiel's biggest fan.

Also--I feel old now--that guy who already had TWO baseball careers and is crazily seeking a third act......
   98. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: August 24, 2018 at 09:54 PM (#5733432)
For President Grover Cleveland it's Art Allison and Dickey Pierce.
This is fun! For Faye Dunaway it was Tim McCarver and Joe Niekro. For Lou Reed it was Danny Murphy and Niekro. For Lillian Gish it was Herb Pennock and Jesse Haines. For Albert Einstein it was Roger Bresnahan and Charley O'Leary. For Charlie Chaplin and Adolf Hitler it was Smokey Joe Wood and O'Leary.

Charley O'Leary, who went 1-1 with a run scored at age 58, is kind of amazing-- 3581 PA and 0.2 WAR at BBRef. He's one of the ten most replacementish batters ever, by BBRef's ratings. 3000+ PA, and between 0.2 and -0.2 WAR:

Player           WAR/pos   PA From   To
Ski Melillo          0.2 5537 1926 1937
Heinie Sand          0.2 3529 1923 1928
Gene Michael         0.2 3092 1966 1975
Charley OLeary       0.2 3580 1904 1934
Otto Miller          0.1 3050 1910 1922
Jorge Cantu         
-0.1 3395 2004 2011
Henry Blanco        
-0.1 3087 1997 2013
Gerald Perry        
-0.1 3527 1983 1995
Walter Holke        
-0.1 4831 1914 1925
Marty Perez         
-0.1 3463 1969 1978 


Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 8/24/2018.

Perry, Cantu, and Blanco are the ones I saw play. If you'd told me that they were among the most replacementish batters in history, I would have absolutely believed you.
   99. AndrewJ Posted: August 24, 2018 at 10:18 PM (#5733439)
Ramon Martinez and Omar Vizquel for me.
   100. RMc Has Bizarre Ideas to Fix Baseball Posted: August 24, 2018 at 11:10 PM (#5733464)
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