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MLB Endcaps: Who was the first player younger than you to play in MLB, and the last player older than you to play in the MLB?

Older Player Endcap: This is not just the oldest active player ever. For example, Jason Giambi is not the oldest player to ever play a game. He played until he was 43. He was born on January 8, 1971. But, if you were born on June 6, 1971, Giambi was the last player older than you to play in the majors.
If there are still active players older than you, we just tell you who the oldest one is (Hi Bartolo).

Younger Player Endcap: This is not the youngest player to ever play. This is the first player to get in a game who was younger than you were on that day.
For example: Josh Beckett is younger than CC Sabathia. But CC made it to the majors before Beckett did, so if you were born on March 22, 1980, CC is your Endcap, not Beckett.

I ended up with Ivan Rodriguez and Jason Giambi.  Not a bad combination…

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   101. Howie Menckel Posted: August 24, 2018 at 11:14 PM (#5733467)
it correctly tells you that Garland was the first player younger than you — which would be true regardless of what time of day either of you was born.

so if a player was born 2 hours before you on the same day, he's still younger than you?

I have to be missing something.

maybe because I am a twin. I was well into my 30s before I realized that I wasn't "younger" than him - it was purely a logistical issue (we both were born after 11 pm - imagine if we had different birthdays. the occasional set of twins do).

but our lives and personalities were directly shaped by our "birth order" - he was the responsible one, I was carefree. our mother being the youngest of 7 arguably shaped things further. I was "the baby" - not the guy born 14 minutes earlier.

fortunately, my "responsible" brother never gave a rat's ass about any of this.
   102. stevegamer Posted: August 24, 2018 at 11:36 PM (#5733477)
I feel like I'm standing on 2nd base. In Cleveland. Around the turn of the millennium.

My pair is Roberto Alomar - Omar Vizquel.
   103. flournoy Posted: August 25, 2018 at 12:23 AM (#5733497)
The first player younger than me was B.J. Upton, which I was aware of the day it happened. Looks like there are still about 100 guys who have played in the majors this year who are older than me, but that number dwindles every year.

Odd that not a single person who's posted in this thread shares B.J. Upton with me. Either my age is strangely uncommon here or Upton's window is really small.
   104. Rob_Wood Posted: August 25, 2018 at 12:52 AM (#5733503)
Brian Greer (who?) and Julio Franco.

IIRC, someone else had this pair up thread.
   105. OCF Posted: August 25, 2018 at 01:01 AM (#5733504)
Jay Franklin and Dave Winfield. I have no idea who Jay Franklin was (although I'll probably eventually look him up). I haven't physically been to a particularly large number of major league games, but I do specifically remember seeing Winfield, in that awful Padre uniform, in Wrigley Field, back when a person could just decide one day to catch an el and buy a ticket at the gate to get into Wrigley.
   106. OCF Posted: August 25, 2018 at 01:15 AM (#5733506)
All right, I did look up Jay Franklin. He was also a Padre - a pitcher. He spent most of the 1971 season in low A but got a September callup to the majors. He appeared in 3 games, including one start (which didn't last very long). He gave up 5 runs, 4 earned, in 5 2/3 innings. In September 1971 I was in my first month of being a college student. Franklin then didn't pitch at all the next year, so I would guess he suffered a major injury of some sort. After that, he spent 4 years in AA followed by one year in AAA without ever getting called up again, and hung it up at the age of 24.
   107. #6bid Posted: August 25, 2018 at 01:49 AM (#5733512)
I feel like I'm standing on 2nd base. In Cleveland. Around the turn of the millennium.

My pair is Roberto Alomar - Omar Vizquel.


Ha, me too.
   108. QLE Posted: August 25, 2018 at 03:30 AM (#5733516)
Felix Hernandez was the first to be younger than me, and there are still a sizable number of players older than I am.
   109. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: August 25, 2018 at 04:58 AM (#5733519)
so if a player was born 2 hours before you on the same day, he's still younger than you?

No. To use an example, if you were born on September 26, 1979, the page will give you the following results:

Who are your MLB Endcaps?
FIRST PLAYER YOUNGER THAN YOU

Jon Garland was the first player to debut who was younger than you. He was born on 9/26/1979 and he made his debut on 7/3/2000, so he was 20! Learn more about him at Retrosheet.

LAST PLAYER OLDER THAN YOU

Bartolo Colon is the oldest active player. He was born on 5/23/1973, so he is 45. You still have a chance! Learn more about him at Retrosheet.


At first you might say, Jon Garland isn’t younger than me, he’s the same age! But if you check, you will find that those *are* the correct players because Garland was actually born on the 27th, not the 26th, so he is younger than you (no matter what time you were born on the 26th). Likewise, Colon was born on the 24th, not the 23rd. Not sure why the page does that.
   110. Roger Cedeno's Spleen Posted: August 25, 2018 at 08:12 AM (#5733523)
Gary Sheffield and Omar Vizquel
   111. Greg Pope Posted: August 25, 2018 at 09:29 AM (#5733529)
How has Minnie Minoso not been mentioned yet? Doesn't he have to be the oldest for a ton of people?
   112. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 25, 2018 at 09:59 AM (#5733534)
Minoso was 54 when he played his last MLB game. Satchel Paige was 59. In between were Charley O'Leary (58) and Nick Altrock (57).
   113. BDC Posted: August 25, 2018 at 10:26 AM (#5733542)
I think Minoso is the oldest player for anybody born roughly 1926-36; just older and it's Hoyt Wilhelm, just younger and it's Vic Davalillo, then Manny Mota (I believe), Phil Niekro, etc.

Minoso takes in a lot of people, but a lot of those people aren't around anymore :(
   114. John Northey Posted: August 25, 2018 at 10:58 AM (#5733546)
So I ran from Griffey Jr to Omar Vizquel.
   115. McCoy Posted: August 25, 2018 at 12:16 PM (#5733562)
I was mildly surprised to see that Aramis Ramirez was the first MLB player to debut younger than me and was pretty shocked to find out that only two players are older than me and still playing. Fernando Rodney and Bartolo Colon. For some reason I thought there would be more. I'm getting old.
   116. Booey Posted: August 25, 2018 at 12:29 PM (#5733565)
Like a few others, it's Jon Garland for me, too.

I was hoping Beltre would keep going and end up as the last player older than me - and after last season that looked like a possibility - but, well...often times age suddenly smacks athletes upside the head with a 2x4 rather than sneaking up on them gracefully. It's probably going to end up being a pitcher now; Fernando Rodney, most likely. And he's a full 2.5 years older than me.
   117. Howie Menckel Posted: August 25, 2018 at 01:00 PM (#5733576)
per 109: they are solving one problem - it is true that every player listed as "younger than you" is younger than you, because they were born the day after.

but there is another problem, depending on what time of day you were born

#pedantalert
   118. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 25, 2018 at 01:39 PM (#5733591)
Looks like there are still about 100 guys who have played in the majors this year who are older than me
As*hole.
   119. Joe Bivens is NOT a clueless numpty Posted: August 25, 2018 at 02:40 PM (#5733600)
Brian Greer (career 5g) and Jesse Orosco (career 1252g)


This was mine, too. Rob Wood has Greer and Julio Franco. Close!
   120. Boggler Posted: August 26, 2018 at 01:21 AM (#5733741)
I was another one with Wilson Alvarez/Mariano Rivera, which I think I knew already. Did anyone else remember that Alvarez had an ERA of infinity that year?
   121. Boggler Posted: August 26, 2018 at 01:32 AM (#5733742)
Ken Griffey Jr. and Omar Vizquel

Who both debuted in the same game, Opening Day, April 3, 1989.
   122. A triple short of the cycle Posted: August 26, 2018 at 01:20 PM (#5733828)
I am in the Griffey-Vizquel club too(!)
   123. Bourbon Samurai, what price fettucine? Posted: August 26, 2018 at 02:37 PM (#5733857)
Carlos Zambrano was the first guy younger than me. A good amount still older.
   124. Hank Gillette Posted: August 27, 2018 at 03:04 AM (#5734062)
The first player younger than me is a nobody. The last player older than me is obvious.


Kid Nichols?
   125. Hank Gillette Posted: August 27, 2018 at 03:15 AM (#5734063)
quote]My youngest player is Rick Ankiel. IF he can successfully come back as a LOOGY, I have an outside chance of having the youngest and oldest player be the same.

That would be a real outside chance. Ankiel is younger than you. No matter how long he plays he is never going to be older than you.
   126. Alex meets the threshold for granular review Posted: August 27, 2018 at 03:47 AM (#5734064)
I'm one of the youngest posters on this site by what I assume is a pretty healthy margin, so the first player younger than me was Madison Bumgarner. Still a ways off from the last player who will be older than myself...
   127. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: August 27, 2018 at 04:51 AM (#5734066)
That would be a real outside chance. Ankiel is younger than you. No matter how long he plays he is never going to be older than you.
Someone has completely forgotten about time dilation through relativistic travel.
   128. Lassus Posted: August 27, 2018 at 08:12 AM (#5734080)
NERD!
   129. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 27, 2018 at 08:27 AM (#5734086)
the first player younger than me was Madison Bumgarner. Still a ways off from the last player who will be older than myself...
You. Lawn. Off. Now.
   130. Spahn Insane Posted: August 27, 2018 at 09:18 AM (#5734109)
I haven't seen anyone else with Van Poppel as the first player younger, which I shouldn't be that surprised by; I was born in the narrow 12-day window between his birth and Pudge's.
   131. McCoy Posted: August 27, 2018 at 09:22 AM (#5734112)
That would be a real outside chance. Ankiel is younger than you. No matter how long he plays he is never going to be older than you.

Um, not if he dies.
   132. Rusty Priske Posted: August 27, 2018 at 10:25 AM (#5734123)
#110 we have a match!

Gary Sheffield and Omar Vizquel
   133. Rally Posted: August 27, 2018 at 10:40 AM (#5734133)
Minoso was 54 when he played his last MLB game. Satchel Paige was 59. In between were Charley O'Leary (58) and Nick Altrock (57).


When I was a kid Minoso playing at 54 seemed impossible. Sure, it was a stunt and not the White Sox thinking that he could help the team. The last year he was actually able to help the team was 19 years earlier. It just seemed, like, how can they let this old guy on the field? This elderly guy might really get hurt.

Now as I get closer to that age, I can imagine a 54 year old not embarrassing himself on the field. Don't think anyone can really play MLB baseball that long, but if you keep yourself in good shape some people can still play ball at a very competitive level. For example, 53 year old Rafael Palmeiro in an independent league this year.
   134. Traderdave Posted: August 27, 2018 at 11:26 AM (#5734166)
#110 we have a match!

Gary Sheffield and Omar Vizquel



Same here. Does that mean we all just had a milestone birthday?
   135. Traderdave Posted: August 27, 2018 at 11:50 AM (#5734183)
When I was a kid Minoso playing at 54 seemed impossible. Sure, it was a stunt and not the White Sox thinking that he could help the team. The last year he was actually able to help the team was 19 years earlier. It just seemed, like, how can they let this old guy on the field? This elderly guy might really get hurt.

Now as I get closer to that age, I can imagine a 54 year old not embarrassing himself on the field. Don't think anyone can really play MLB baseball that long, but if you keep yourself in good shape some people can still play ball at a very competitive level. For example, 53 year old Rafael Palmeiro in an independent league this year.


With the exception of Jack Quin, whose last game was 6 days after his 50th and thus only barely counts, has there ever been a big leaguer who earned a roster spot after age 50? (Paige & Minoso were publicity stunts, albeit very well-meaning ones.)
   136. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: August 27, 2018 at 11:56 AM (#5734188)
If you get much earlier than Jack Quinn the concept of "earning a roster spot" gets fuzzy because you have all kinds of incidents of coaches having to step in occasionally as a player in an emergency, or a blowout, or as a prank, etc. So he must be the only one.
   137. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 27, 2018 at 11:58 AM (#5734190)
I was another one with Wilson Alvarez/Mariano Rivera, which I think I knew already. Did anyone else remember that Alvarez had an ERA of infinity that year?


I remember Bill James had a comment that Alvarez was the first pitcher born in the 1970s to start a game, leaving the distinction for someone else to be the first pitcher born in the 1970s to record an out.
   138. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 27, 2018 at 12:01 PM (#5734192)
I've got Edwin Correa as my youngest, and Moyer as my oldest. I was probably one of the few rooting for the last player older than me to retire, since he was stinking up the joint for the Rockies at the time.
   139. Batman Posted: August 27, 2018 at 12:33 PM (#5734209)
Alvarez's first appearance was his only start where he didn't get any outs, and his second appearances was his only start where he didn't give up any hits.
   140. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: August 27, 2018 at 01:13 PM (#5734226)
Moyer, no surprise, paired with the immortal Manuel Lee. I'd quite forgotten he squeaked out a ten year career.
   141. Rusty Priske Posted: August 27, 2018 at 01:17 PM (#5734228)
Same here. Does that mean we all just had a milestone birthday?


I don't know about 'just'. Mine was in March.
   142. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 27, 2018 at 01:25 PM (#5734233)
has there ever been a big leaguer who earned a roster spot after age 50?
"Agarra mi cerveza." --Julio Franco
   143. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 27, 2018 at 01:33 PM (#5734243)
Satchel Paige was a valuable pitcher as late as the age of 46, when he was the 1953 Browns' best reliever and made the All-Star team. But the Browns moved to Baltimore that winter and embarked on a purge of everyone who had a strong St. Louis identity. Satchel got released on February 2, 1954, and never signed on with another major league team until his stunt appearance with the Kansas City A's in 1965. It's a shame, because it looks like he still had something left in the tank.
   144. Rally Posted: August 27, 2018 at 01:55 PM (#5734258)
Satchel pitched in AAA at ages 49-51, between 110-120 innings per year. His numbers are outstanding. Almost every pitcher on those Miami Marlins teams also pitched in the big leagues, and Satchel was the best pitcher on the staff for that 3 year period. I calculated minor league equivalencies several years ago for Satchel in one of the Hardball Times print editions.

There is no doubt in my mind that he was good enough to pitch on a big league staff at the time. After that his minor league record is just bits and pieces, and despite 3 scoreless innings at age 59, you have to wonder how well he would have held up to an MLB workload. But when he was 50-51, he absolutely could have played and more than deserved a roster spot.

Jack Quinn's age 48 season and Julio Franco's age 47 look like the oldest pitcher and hitter to deserve their roster spots. Satchel is the oldest player to demonstrate that he had the talent to play in the big leagues.
   145. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: August 27, 2018 at 02:07 PM (#5734270)
has there ever been a big leaguer who earned a roster spot after age 50?
Ichiro will if he wants to.
   146. BDC Posted: August 27, 2018 at 02:20 PM (#5734274)
Joe McGinnity could not have pitched in the majors, in his 50s; he pitched his way steadily down through the minors even in his 40s. But he did go 26-26 for Dubuque in Class D baseball at ages 51-54.

Rafael Palmeiro is batting .301 for Cleburne in independent ball this season. He turns 54 in a few weeks.
   147. Batman Posted: August 27, 2018 at 02:44 PM (#5734285)
Jose Canseco turned 54 last month, and he's had three plate appearances for a team named the Normal CornBelters. He struck out all three times.
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