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MLB myth-buster—The shift isn’t curbing runs, it’s creating them

After we figure out whether to shift or not, can we figure out whether eating eggs for breakfast is healthy or not?

Jim Furtado Posted: August 07, 2018 at 01:59 PM | 101 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. villageidiom Posted: August 07, 2018 at 02:41 PM (#5722476)
OK, so if they've established that pitchers are generally pitching with less confidence in the shift - by pitching to avoid contact - then perhaps we can use that information in other ways.

For example, when pitchers aren't confident in the defensive alignment they miss one pitch out of every 12. What happens, then, when pitchers aren't confident in their catcher's game-calling? Is it a similar effect? How much worse should a pitcher be over the course of a game if he lacks confidence in his catcher?
   2. Man o' Schwar Posted: August 07, 2018 at 02:58 PM (#5722486)
After we figure out whether to shift or not, can we figure out whether eating eggs for breakfast is healthy or not?

I say yes. I love eggs for breakfast. It's gotta be healthier than a bowl of Lucky Charms or a donut.
   3. PreservedFish Posted: August 07, 2018 at 03:09 PM (#5722502)
It seems that most of the mid-century work done linking dietary cholesterol and saturated fat to heart disease was total rubbish, whether through conspiracy, laziness or stupidity.
   4. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 07, 2018 at 03:14 PM (#5722505)
It seems that most of the mid-century work done linking dietary cholesterol and saturated fat to heart disease was total rubbish, whether through conspiracy, laziness or stupidity.

I think it was a pretty easy mistake to make. High cholesterol is linked to heart disease, so it was an obvious leap to think that dietary cholesterol was a cause.
   5. PreservedFish Posted: August 07, 2018 at 03:27 PM (#5722516)
Obvious but wrong. You know what they say about assumptions. It makes an ASS out of U and ... MPTIONS? I didn't deliver that right.
   6. Lassus Posted: August 07, 2018 at 03:31 PM (#5722519)
conspiracy, laziness, or stupidity.

Always take 2 and 3. Always.
   7. Man o' Schwar Posted: August 07, 2018 at 03:43 PM (#5722529)
It seems that most of the mid-century work done linking dietary cholesterol and saturated fat to heart disease was total rubbish, whether through conspiracy, laziness or stupidity.

I have the worst diet in recorded history, and I've never had a cholesterol level above 160. I come from a family of fatties (both sides), and as far as anyone can remember we've never had someone have a heart attack or a stroke in 100 years of obesity and peanut butter-iced breakfast roll eating.

I have a friend who is a health nut, vegetarian, fabulous shape, who has to take statins to keep his cholesterol in check. He's lost a brother, father, and an uncle to heart attacks.

It really does seem that there's a heavy genetic component to your cholesterol levels/metabolism.
   8. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: August 07, 2018 at 03:58 PM (#5722545)
I'm not a fan of an article that expects me to read four other articles to believe its main premise.
   9. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: August 07, 2018 at 04:04 PM (#5722556)

I have the worst diet in recorded history

Challenge accepted. I had a cheeseburger from Five Guys for breakfast.
   10. PreservedFish Posted: August 07, 2018 at 04:07 PM (#5722562)
It really does seem that there's a heavy genetic component to your cholesterol levels/metabolism.


Oh I don't think that's in dispute.
   11. TJ Posted: August 07, 2018 at 04:08 PM (#5722564)

I have the worst diet in recorded history

Challenge accepted. I had a cheeseburger from Five Guys for breakfast.


You, sir, are a god among men...
   12. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 07, 2018 at 04:09 PM (#5722566)
It really does seem that there's a heavy genetic component to your cholesterol levels/metabolism.

Yeah, for an entire decade 80% of my lunches and dinners pretty much consisted of nothing but fried chicken and heavily salted french fries, and my cholesterol's never been over 169. Just the luck of draw.
   13. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: August 07, 2018 at 04:09 PM (#5722567)
Challenge accepted. I had a cheeseburger from Five Guys for breakfast.

I used to semi-regularly have 3 pints of Ben and Jerry's for breakfast.
   14. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 07, 2018 at 04:10 PM (#5722569)
for an entire decade 80% of my lunches and dinners pretty much consisted of nothing but fried chicken and heavily salted french fries,
Don't get me wrong, I love me some fried chicken and heavily salted french fries, but...good God, man, did you not get bored??
   15. PreservedFish Posted: August 07, 2018 at 04:13 PM (#5722573)
As documented in other threads, I'm not a low-carb diet. For breakfast I had a tea with about 200 calories of heavy cream in it.
   16. PreservedFish Posted: August 07, 2018 at 04:28 PM (#5722592)
I used to semi-regularly have 3 pints of Ben and Jerry's for breakfast.


Is this an exaggeration? I've downed a pint but couldn't imagine eating 2, let alone 3.
   17. Man o' Schwar Posted: August 07, 2018 at 04:32 PM (#5722594)
Challenge accepted. I had a cheeseburger from Five Guys for breakfast.

I had half of a sharing size (11 oz) bag of peanut M&Ms;.
   18. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 07, 2018 at 04:54 PM (#5722620)
I really don't get wanting to start the day off with a gigantic sugar bomb. (That's not specifically directed at you, Man o'Schwar, although your situation seems to be pretty extreme in terms of sheer volume - I also don't really get people wanting to chow down on donuts, etc.)

Then again, my usual is a piece of fruit, a couple slices of deli turkey (my wife says it's good to start with protein, and she does yoga and stuff, and also it's an excuse to eat more meat), and a zero-calorie stevia soda, so I might be a little unusual in terms of breakfast tastes.
   19. TomH Posted: August 07, 2018 at 05:21 PM (#5722639)
Tee hee.
Article comments: 1 post
side bar on diet: 17 posts

and it's all Jim's fault!
   20. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: August 07, 2018 at 05:25 PM (#5722643)
I also don't really get people wanting to chow down on donuts

I understand all the words, but I absolutely do not comprehend the meaning of this sentence at all.
   21. Leroy Kincaid Posted: August 07, 2018 at 05:35 PM (#5722649)
Fatsos ruin everything.
   22. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 07, 2018 at 05:38 PM (#5722652)
for an entire decade 80% of my lunches and dinners pretty much consisted of nothing but fried chicken and heavily salted french fries,

Don't get me wrong, I love me some fried chicken and heavily salted french fries, but...good God, man, did you not get bored??


Nah, they just got better and better, and I only stopped because the carryout wasn't convenient once I started working regular hours outside their neighborhood. And since I'm about as much of a foodie as Donald Trump is a Mensa, repetition as such doesn't bother me a bit. I've been eating the same breakfast for over 40 years.
   23. The Duke Posted: August 07, 2018 at 05:38 PM (#5722653)
This wasn’t the thread I thought it was going to be

I’m just going to go and get a beer and potato chips
   24. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 07, 2018 at 05:43 PM (#5722656)
I've been eating the same breakfast for over 40 years.
It's probably gone bad by now. I'd be careful.
   25. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: August 07, 2018 at 06:16 PM (#5722672)
I used to semi-regularly have 3 pints of Ben and Jerry's for breakfast.
In all seriousness, I used to average around 3 pints of Ben and Jerry's (or Graeter's, or some other brand) a week, and over 150 pints a year. That wouldn't include ice cream cakes for birthdays, gelato outings with family, etc. Breaking the habit of inhaling so much sugar on a regular basis was hell. It's still hell.
   26. Omineca Greg Posted: August 07, 2018 at 06:27 PM (#5722679)
Your breakfasts be weak!

You can have your Capote, your Supertramp, your Juan Gris, your Signac, your Vonnegut, your Hughes...and I guess some of those breakfasts are OK...but there's better breakfasts out there, that's for sure.

With apologies to Eddie Hinton, Donnie Fritts, and of course Dusty herself, there is one Breakfast to rule them all...

Marvin Sease sez, "You looked at me, and I looked at you, and something told me what to do!"
   27. Bote Man is no David Posted: August 07, 2018 at 06:55 PM (#5722698)
Fatsos ruin everything.

Counterpoint: never trust a skinny chef.
   28. PreservedFish Posted: August 07, 2018 at 07:42 PM (#5722728)
In all seriousness, I used to average around 3 pints of Ben and Jerry's (or Graeter's, or some other brand) a week, and over 150 pints a year.

Wow.

Breaking the habit of inhaling so much sugar on a regular basis was hell. It's still hell.

I've had close to zero simple carbs in the past few months. Sugar cravings disappeared very quickly. I still want to eat sugar, because it's good, but I don't need little sugar pick-me-ups. Taste buds have begun to shift. Berries now seem very sweet, and a mistaken sip of sweetened iced tea the other day almost made me retch. I don't want to eat a whole bag of Skittles, just a few is quite enough.

I don't miss white rice. I don't miss potatoes all that much, although they'd be nice from time to time. I don't miss bread, except mostly for its structural qualities. I love sandwiches and the experience just isn't the same when you make a reuben in a breadless or saladified format. Pizza is a tough one. There are lots of strange recipes for pizza crusts made mostly out of cheese and almond flour - haven't tried it yet, but I will soon I think.

I won't keep it up forever. But it's been working for me. The high fat content of my diet has helped reduce hunger pangs, making it paradoxically easier to eat less.
   29. Perry Posted: August 07, 2018 at 07:49 PM (#5722731)
It seems that most of the mid-century work done linking dietary cholesterol and saturated fat to heart disease was total rubbish, whether through conspiracy, laziness or stupidity.


My layman's understanding -- and someone can correct me on this -- was that none of the 3 really applied. The link was and is statistically real, just so small that as it turned out it was far outweighed by other factors as a cause of heart disease. The links between dietary cholesterol and blood cholesterol, and between blood cholesterol and heart disease, show up in large populations but for any given individual the dietary cholesterol--> heart disease connection is a very small factor.

The problem is that the popular press mistook statistical significance for practical significance and ignored effect sizes. (The scientific literature was somewhat guilty of this too.) You can call that stupidity if you like but [shrug].
   30. BrianBrianson Posted: August 07, 2018 at 07:50 PM (#5722732)
Fatsos ruin everything.


Only the things I sit, stand, or jump upon.
   31. PreservedFish Posted: August 07, 2018 at 07:52 PM (#5722736)
The problem is that the popular press mistook statistical significance for practical significance and ignored effect sizes. (The scientific literature was somewhat guilty of this too.) You can call that stupidity if you like but [shrug].


I think it's really the USDA more than the popular press that deserves blame for spurring misguided and harmful eating habits. But then again my understanding of all this is totally superficial!
   32. Best Dressed Chicken in Town Posted: August 07, 2018 at 08:26 PM (#5722752)
I used to average around 3 pints of Ben and Jerry's (or Graeter's, or some other brand) a week, and over 150 pints a year.

Math checks out.
   33. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 07, 2018 at 08:44 PM (#5722761)
In all seriousness, I used to average around 3 pints of Ben and Jerry's (or Graeter's, or some other brand) a week, and over 150 pints a year.

For about 2 years in the 80's, there was a Haagen-Dazs in Georgetown where all the employees absolutely hated their owner, who was a prime dick.** One day I was wearing a T-shirt that one of them liked, and in a spontaneous moment I went around the corner and got another one just like it and gave it to her.

In return, for the next 2 years I could get free ice cream from her and her fellow employees*** every time I came in, which was pretty much every day in hot weather and several times a week the rest of the year. In fact sometimes when I'd ask for a double scoop cone they'd volunteer a banana split instead. They really hated that owner, but I'm glad I was born with high metabolism.

** When he was at the counter, he'd weigh cups and shave off any "excess" ice cream before handing it to the customer, who was watching the entire performance. And he'd berate employees who didn't follow this practice.

*** One of whom was a guy named Henry Rollins, who went on to have a big time singing career.
   34. Howie Menckel Posted: August 07, 2018 at 08:49 PM (#5722765)
I've been eating the same breakfast for over 40 years.

new nickname: The Regurgitator!

it's been a couple of YEARS since I've eaten ice cream.

I don't dislike it, but the calorie number just overwhelms me - plus I don't have a sweet tooth.

I also no longer eat bagels, muffins, cake, pie, or pastries.

amazing that I've put on a dozen pounds this year!
   35. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 07, 2018 at 09:10 PM (#5722778)
Len Kasper is discussing the linked article on the Cubs broadcast right now. No mention of breakfast foods though.
   36. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili (TeddyF.Ballgame) Posted: August 07, 2018 at 11:35 PM (#5722889)
a guy named Henry Rollins, who went on to have a big time singing career


Well, a vocal career, anyway.
   37. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 08, 2018 at 12:39 AM (#5722904)
I have the worst diet in recorded history

Challenge accepted. I had a cheeseburger from Five Guys for breakfast.

No fries?
   38. Endless Trash Posted: August 08, 2018 at 03:10 AM (#5722909)
One of whom was a guy named Henry Rollins, who went on to have a big time singing career.


What? Get the #### out of here.
   39. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: August 08, 2018 at 07:47 AM (#5722922)
Challenge accepted. I had a cheeseburger from Five Guys for breakfast.


No fries?

It was breakfast you animal. Hash browns.

*** One of whom was a guy named Henry Rollins, who went on to have a big time singing career.


Guess the lounger who frequented an ice cream shop staffed by Henry Rollins would not have been a trivia question I would have gotten right.
   40. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: August 08, 2018 at 08:09 AM (#5722929)
Henry Rollins


That is awesome. I wasn't a big punk rock fan, but have always thought he was an interesting writer, thinker, and speaker.
   41. Lassus Posted: August 08, 2018 at 08:29 AM (#5722933)
Funny. I felt the opposite. Loved him during his Black Flag/punk career, pretty indifferent afterward. (He's been a magnetic actor, however.)
   42. John DiFool2 Posted: August 08, 2018 at 08:40 AM (#5722941)
Turn on a baseball broadcast these days and there's a good chance you'll hear about launch angles, catcher framing, pitch tunneling, bullpenning and the like.


Quantum baseball?
   43. Blastin Posted: August 08, 2018 at 08:56 AM (#5722954)
It's funny, with cholesterol, I have exercised myself into "good" cholesterol levels that are some of the highest my doctors have ever seen. I sometimes literally stop in on work "health screenings" to feel good about myself.

But that's definitely the seven years of endurance training more than my diet (which is good, but hardly impeccable).
   44. McCoy Posted: August 08, 2018 at 09:37 AM (#5722975)
The other day I weighed in at 198 and some change. Probably the lowest I've been at in some time. The good news is that I'm generally hovering around 200 now whereas two or three weeks ago it was 202ish and two or three weeks before that it was 204ish. Hoping to be hovering around 197ish by the end of the month and would like to get down to 190 by the end of the year.

Would like to be a bit more active but that is kind of hard in my job and in Atlanta in August but the big key for me is that I've stopped munching on things throughout the day. I've obviously really cut back on my calorie intake over the last month or so.
   45. PreservedFish Posted: August 08, 2018 at 10:25 AM (#5723025)
I'm engaged in another internet fad diet at the same time, which people call "16:8 intermittent fasting," but really all it means is that I skip breakfast and then don't snack after dinner. Very easy to stick to, as I don't really concern myself with how many calories I do eat during the 8 hour window. Not eating sugar makes it very difficult to pig out to excess. So while my diet is now mostly bacon and avocados, the appetite puts a kind of natural stop to fatty bacon and avocado input in a way that it clearly does not with sweets. I now am at my lowest weight since I was 15 or so. As a teenager and college student I had disgusting eating habits that I've slowly improved, bit by bit, over the years. I was 220 at my highest when I was 21 and today stand at 165.

My parents let me drink half a dozen Pepsis a day. Or more. What were they thinking?
   46. McCoy Posted: August 08, 2018 at 10:31 AM (#5723035)
170 would be my dream weight but I'd settle for 180.

I basically get up somewhere between 5 and 7am each day, 5 days a week I skip a traditional breakfast (have one on Saturday & Sunday) and will graze on a couple of pieces of bacon and a banana or hard boiled egg at work. Drink a lot of seltzer water throughout the day and will eat some pieces of protein throughout the rest of the day. Will then come home and have some sort of traditional dinner, either home cooked or from a restaurant. For the most part I stay away from the chips, cookies, and snacks that one tends to eat throughout the entire day between meals.


Cut out sweetened sodas about 12 years ago, was never big into salty snacks, and now my biggest challenge is cutting sugary snacks.
   47. jmurph Posted: August 08, 2018 at 10:48 AM (#5723047)
My parents let me drink half a dozen Pepsis a day. Or more. What were they thinking?

You mean vis a vis Pepsi vs Coke?
   48. Hysterical & Useless Posted: August 08, 2018 at 11:11 AM (#5723069)
I skip breakfast and then don't snack after dinner.


But breakfast is the most important meal of the day! I know that's true, because my friends at Kellogg's told me so.
   49. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 08, 2018 at 11:30 AM (#5723091)
By the way, to bring this back to the original topic however briefly: I just started reading "A Game of Inches: The Stories Behind the Innovations That Shaped Baseball" by Peter Morris. I'm only a couple days in, but already I love it. I would highly, highly recommend it to put the changes taking place in today's game, and the potential rule changes and other responses being discussed, in their historical context. It also does a great job of insightfully addressing the "morality play" that is just below the surface of so much of the commentary on baseball and how it's played.

I assume I'm late to the party here and a lot of you have already read it, but if you haven't, do so.
   50. McCoy Posted: August 08, 2018 at 12:41 PM (#5723166)
Wait until you pick up the sequel!
   51. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 08, 2018 at 12:50 PM (#5723174)
Kindle edition, so I've got both to look forward to.
   52. JAHV Posted: August 08, 2018 at 01:05 PM (#5723192)
I'm engaged in another internet fad diet at the same time, which people call "16:8 intermittent fasting," but really all it means is that I skip breakfast and then don't snack after dinner. Very easy to stick to, as I don't really concern myself with how many calories I do eat during the 8 hour window. Not eating sugar makes it very difficult to pig out to excess. So while my diet is now mostly bacon and avocados, the appetite puts a kind of natural stop to fatty bacon and avocado input in a way that it clearly does not with sweets. I now am at my lowest weight since I was 15 or so. As a teenager and college student I had disgusting eating habits that I've slowly improved, bit by bit, over the years. I was 220 at my highest when I was 21 and today stand at 165.


I've been waging a war with weight for the last 10 years or so, ever since I looked down and noticed my 6'0 frame had 250 lbs on it. I lost 55, put on 35, lost 40, put on 30, and have basically been hovering between 195 and 225 for the last five years. After working at a brewery for the last year, I'm back to the upper end of that scale and looking to move down. My wife is partnering with me in cutting out sugar, but there is one indulgence that I'm worried about - gum.

I work at a desk, so I'm on my butt most of the day (I try to get up to get some activity in every hour, but it's still a lot of sitting). I also think about food A LOT. In order to mitigate the cravings and keep me from snacking, I chew gum, probably 4 - 6 pieces a day. The gum is "sugarfree" but has aspartame so it's still sweet. Is this going to keep me craving sweet food? I have a severe sweet tooth that causes me problems when I let it run rampant, and I've heard that going on these no sugar diets changes your taste buds and your cravings so that you taste the natural sweetness in other foods (like fruit) more intensely. This is an effect I desperately want; if I could reduce the sweet cravings, that would do wonders for keeping my weight in check once I stop doing the diet so strictly. But I'm wondering if the gum chewing is going to ruin that.
   53. PreservedFish Posted: August 08, 2018 at 01:10 PM (#5723197)
I'm not sure. Lots of low-carb diet people swear by artificial sweeteners, so they must not worry about that effect. I would imagine the "craving" isn't just a tastebuds thing but also has to do with the fact that sugar raises your blood sugar so quickly. Aspartame does not. But then again, how much is psychological?

Personally I think they're vile. Not a part of my diet.
   54. villageidiom Posted: August 08, 2018 at 01:18 PM (#5723210)
The other day I weighed in at 198 and some change. Probably the lowest I've been at in some time. The good news is that I'm generally hovering around 200 now whereas two or three weeks ago it was 202ish and two or three weeks before that it was 204ish. Hoping to be hovering around 197ish by the end of the month and would like to get down to 190 by the end of the year.

Would like to be a bit more active but that is kind of hard in my job and in Atlanta in August but the big key for me is that I've stopped munching on things throughout the day. I've obviously really cut back on my calorie intake over the last month or so.
Around 192 now, but was at 198 around Memorial Day. I started a running program around that time. Adopting the idea of a couple other Primates, I'm trying to run every street in my town. I printed off a map, and I color in every road after I've run it. I've taken about 4 weeks off due to vacations, health, and other priorities, but I've completed around 150 roads out of probably 900. There's something rewarding about marking the map and seeing my progress. I've covered maybe 65 miles so far, which has to be pretty close to the most I've run in a year at any point in the last 30 years.

Unfortunately it's not a topographical map, so as it turns out I elected to start in the most hilly part of town. Those streets are also much longer than the others in town, so it's been a big effort for each one. I should complete streets faster once I get to the other areas.

Because it's been so damn hot and humid this summer - not Atlanta hot, mind you - I've been getting out of bed 30 minutes earlier each day and running while the temps are as cool as they'll get. At this point I can get in my entire run before the sun gets above the trees.

I'm also trying to keep my calorie intake limited, but that's not as fun to talk about.
   55. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: August 08, 2018 at 01:25 PM (#5723222)
But breakfast is the most important meal of the day! I know that's true, because my friends at Kellogg's told me so.

Fun fact, that I assume most here already know: John Harvey Kellogg invented cornflakes because he thought it would stop people (especially adolescents) from masturbating. (Spoiler: It does not.)

But if you think that is as extreme as his anti-masturbation crusade went, I highly encourage you to read up more on him. It has pretty much everything, from electro-shocks, to acid, to genital mutilation, surgery, chastity cages and other devices...
   56. Greg Pope Posted: August 08, 2018 at 01:54 PM (#5723244)
The gum is "sugarfree" but has aspartame so it's still sweet. Is this going to keep me craving sweet food?

I’ve heard a ton of stuff about artificial sweeteners. This is one thing. Another is that since your tongue tastes sweetness but you don’t get the sugar, that you crave the sugar more. I have seen zero scientific evidence for any of it.

Anecdotally, I have varied over the years between 195 and 225, although not very often over 215. I used to drink a dozen diet cokes a day. About 4years ago I took about a month and weaned myself off. I now drink nothing but water. I have not noticed any effect whatsoever. No energy difference. No craving difference. No weight difference. I still get migraines.
   57. villageidiom Posted: August 08, 2018 at 02:05 PM (#5723258)
I work at a desk, so I'm on my butt most of the day (I try to get up to get some activity in every hour, but it's still a lot of sitting). I also think about food A LOT. In order to mitigate the cravings and keep me from snacking, I chew gum, probably 4 - 6 pieces a day. The gum is "sugarfree" but has aspartame so it's still sweet. Is this going to keep me craving sweet food? I have a severe sweet tooth that causes me problems when I let it run rampant, and I've heard that going on these no sugar diets changes your taste buds and your cravings so that you taste the natural sweetness in other foods (like fruit) more intensely. This is an effect I desperately want; if I could reduce the sweet cravings, that would do wonders for keeping my weight in check once I stop doing the diet so strictly. But I'm wondering if the gum chewing is going to ruin that.
Drink water, and lots of it.

I am neither a biologist nor a nutritionist. But here's how I think about it.

Your cells need water to function. One of those functions is digestion of food and delivery of the energy from the food to the other cells in the body. When your body has a craving it is sending a signal that it needs something. Other than extreme thirst - when it's clear we need water - most people interpret their cravings as hunger, not thirst. Often it's thirst, or partly thirst.

When you've consumed sugary stuff your body recognizes it needs insulin to help open up the cells to take in the glucose - but those cells also need water in order to do anything with the glucose. Without water, the delivery of that burst of energy you get from sugary stuff is slowed down. And when that happens, your body recognizes that it's not getting the energy it needs, which continues the craving for sugar. If you're drinking enough water, then the cells can handle the glucose, and the cravings are lessened if not eliminated.
   58. Mefisto Posted: August 08, 2018 at 02:11 PM (#5723274)
For me there were 2 keys to getting over carb addiction:

1. Eat enough protein and fat. It's actually kind of hard to do that if you've been living off carbs for years. I had to count my macros for awhile to get it right.

2. Once I did #1, I just needed patience. The carb cravings went away, in my case within probably a month. The longer I've gone eating low carb, the better it is -- I'm not even tempted by dessert menus any more.
   59. PreservedFish Posted: August 08, 2018 at 02:17 PM (#5723282)
How long have you been at it, Mefisto? Good results? Weight loss, energy etc? I've been doing it for 3+ months and am happy.

But I can't do it forever. I'd like to have ice cream at least once this summer. And I couldn't imagine going to Italy, say, and staying low-carb. So I think I'm going to have infrequent carby vacations for myself.
   60. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 08, 2018 at 02:17 PM (#5723283)
Drinking water is so damn boring. If I'm going to go to the effort of getting a glass or other receptacle, putting a liquid in that glass, and raising it to my mouth, I want to be rewarded with some sort of taste.
   61. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 08, 2018 at 02:18 PM (#5723284)
I'd like to have ice cream at least once this summer.
Do the Gabe Kapler - lick and spit, lick and spit.
   62. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: August 08, 2018 at 02:22 PM (#5723288)
Drinking water is so damn boring. If I'm going to go to the effort of getting a glass or other receptacle, putting a liquid in that glass, and raising it to my mouth, I want to be rewarded with some sort of taste.

That's why I drink flavored water. But straight from the bottle. Screw glasses.
   63. PreservedFish Posted: August 08, 2018 at 02:28 PM (#5723294)
Do the Gabe Kapler - lick and spit, lick and spit.


Was this part of his coconut oil advice?
   64. Mefisto Posted: August 08, 2018 at 02:33 PM (#5723298)
I've been pretty low carb (roughly 100 grams/day) for about 15 years. Those were all "safe" carbs, i.e., ones that don't spike blood sugar (e.g., apples, sweet potatoes, veggies; no grains or sugar). 6 months ago I decided to go even lower, to 50 grams/day or less. Both work for me in terms of cravings, though I've lost 5-7 pounds in the last 6 months, which suggests that even my previous level was too high for me.
   65. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 08, 2018 at 02:36 PM (#5723302)
That's why I drink flavored water.
Every flavored water I've tried has tasted either like (a) artificial sweetener or (b) nothing. Any recommendations?
   66. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 08, 2018 at 02:37 PM (#5723303)
Was this part of his coconut oil advice?
I think he said it was adaptable to many different situations.
   67. PreservedFish Posted: August 08, 2018 at 02:46 PM (#5723312)
Every flavored water I've tried has tasted either like (a) artificial sweetener or (b) nothing. Any recommendations?


Those La Croix flavored seltzers are quite popular nowadays. I have a soda stream and I keep well stocked in lemons.
   68. Hysterical & Useless Posted: August 08, 2018 at 02:47 PM (#5723314)
Since this is the thread about weird food stuff right now, I will trot out this (to me) fascinating and disgusting anecdote.

Last week in the locker room at the gym, 2 young-ish (early 40s maybe?) and reasonably in good shape guys were talking about food, cravings, eating/not eating various things. One of them mentioned being at a neighbors house, and she brought out a plateful of home-made chocolate chip ice cream sandwiches. Well, he knows he shouldn't eat these, too much sugar, too many calories, too much extra workout time, but god he loves them, so he wolfs down two, barely chewing.

And then went into the bathroom and made himself throw up.

I congratulate myself that I was able to suppress any and all reaction to this until I was in the car on my way home. [Fortunately, said reaction did not involve regurgitation.]
   69. PreservedFish Posted: August 08, 2018 at 02:59 PM (#5723326)
Surprised he'd be so open about his eating disorder. I guess he thinks he's a badass or something?
   70. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 08, 2018 at 03:03 PM (#5723333)
Yeah, that sounds like the proverbial "cry for help" at some level.
   71. Hysterical & Useless Posted: August 08, 2018 at 03:06 PM (#5723339)
69. PreservedFish Posted: August 08, 2018 at 02:59 PM (#5723326)
Surprised he'd be so open about his eating disorder. I guess he thinks he's a badass or something?
70. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 08, 2018 at 03:03 PM (#5723333)
Yeah, that sounds like the proverbial "cry for help" at some level.


The two of them treated it as one of those funny (as in HA! HA!, not peculiar) things you do to Beat The System.
   72. jmurph Posted: August 08, 2018 at 03:11 PM (#5723346)
Every flavored water I've tried has tasted either like (a) artificial sweetener or (b) nothing. Any recommendations?

0 calorie flavored sparkling water to PF, but I was able to train myself onto La Croix pretty quickly- in about a week, probably, after previously disliking sparkling water pretty strongly. It definitely replaced my craving for any kind of sugary beverages.
   73. PreservedFish Posted: August 08, 2018 at 03:14 PM (#5723348)
I guess it's possible for there to be people out there that selectively vomit up their rare indulgences and are otherwise healthy. The DSM's diagnostic criteria ask for the binge eating and "inappropriate compensatory behaviors" to occur on average at least once a week for three months, and for his self-esteem to be unduly influenced by body shape and weight. Perhaps some follow-up questions are in order if you come across them again.
   74. Hysterical & Useless Posted: August 08, 2018 at 03:18 PM (#5723356)
Perhaps some follow-up questions are in order if you come across them again.


Know where I can get an online psych doctorate quick? I'd feel better going in with a diploma in addition to my trusty DSM.
   75. Endless Trash Posted: August 08, 2018 at 03:26 PM (#5723368)
Drinking water is so damn boring. If I'm going to go to the effort of getting a glass or other receptacle, putting a liquid in that glass, and raising it to my mouth, I want to be rewarded with some sort of taste.


This is my main problem.

My diet in terms of the food I eat is not bad, but I am always. Always. ####### thirsty and I can't stand drinking water. Nor can I stand drinking tea, which just tastes like hot water with some incredibly weak flavoring.
   76. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: August 08, 2018 at 03:29 PM (#5723370)
Well, he knows he shouldn't eat these, too much sugar, too many calories, too much extra workout time, but god he loves them, so he wolfs down two, barely chewing.

And then went into the bathroom and made himself throw up.


Were they drinking Fight Milk?
   77. PreservedFish Posted: August 08, 2018 at 03:29 PM (#5723372)
I went to a restaurant that had a water menu, with tasting notes. I bought a rare bottled water from the Pyrenees for $10. I hated it. Switched to tap almost immediately.
   78. JAHV Posted: August 08, 2018 at 03:57 PM (#5723397)
I also want at least a bit of flavor when I drink, but I'm usually okay with water. I have tried several La Croix flavors and find them all terrible. This is again my sweet tooth talking, but if I'm going to get the flavor of the fruit, I want the sweetness with it. If I were going to do anything flavored, it would be iced tea or dropping lemon/lime/cucumber into some water.

That said, the one cheat I'm allowing myself in this is a couple of beers a week. I will be having one this evening.
   79. McCoy Posted: August 08, 2018 at 04:04 PM (#5723408)
I used to drink about a 12 pack of Dr Pepper a day. I then went to diet 7up but all the diet stuff tastes kind of horrible and leave a terrible taste in one's mouth. I then made the switch to 12oz cans of unflavored seltzer water and have been doing that for well over a decade now. The flavored seltzer waters are gross and really expensive. It also ticks me off that some places limit the options for seltzer water to expensive brands. It also makes me annoyed that seltzer water has grown in popularity to the point that you can occasionally run into supply issues when you walk into a grocery store depending on what day you go in.
   80. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 08, 2018 at 04:14 PM (#5723415)
I went to a restaurant that had a water menu, with tasting notes. I bought a rare bottled water from the Pyrenees for $10. I hated it. Switched to tap almost immediately.
Sadly, we've achieved such a post-satire world that I can't tell if this is a joke or there actually is a place in LA or NY that does this. It's terrifyingly plausible.
   81. PreservedFish Posted: August 08, 2018 at 04:17 PM (#5723421)
Real place. Beverly Hills.

Surreal experience. It was definitely built for jet-setters and celebrities.
   82. PreservedFish Posted: August 08, 2018 at 04:21 PM (#5723424)
It also had a dessert room. Like, when it was time for dessert, you left your table and went into a totally different room that was decorated all over in pink and chrome.

Also I had some sort of liquid nitrogen science experiment cocktail.

Memorable meal, I'll give it that. The huge menu is mostly classic Spanish tapas, which doesn't match up with anything else they do, but we ordered all the wackiest modernist #### because it seemed more appropriate in the setting.
   83. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 08, 2018 at 04:24 PM (#5723427)
Wow. I would say someone should set that place on fire, but apparently they'd have plenty of water to put it out.

EDIT: Yeah, I should probably retract the statement above - turns out it's our client's place. Now I'm not particularly surprised.
   84. eric Posted: August 08, 2018 at 05:10 PM (#5723467)
$10 for a bottle of water is cheap be Vegas nightclub standards.

Like others on this site, I'm a yo-yo-ing sometimes fatty. I'm as heavy as I've ever been right now, but as I get older I care less. Which, I guess, might be the opposite of what I should do since I'm rapidly approaching heart-attack ages.

I used to go on 6-month lettuce and running binges where I could drop 50 lbs. Now I just shrug. So who knows if I'll ever get back down below 180. I still go to the gym regularly and can bike or hike for miles. Who cares of the scale now says 230?

FWIW, medium-low carb diets were what worked best for me. Not full-on Atkins, but where you still can have potatoes, sweet potatoes, corn, fruit, milk, etc along with your meat and veggies, just in some moderation. No breads/pastas. I did that recently and dropped 15 lbs without even really trying over about 2-3 months, but then I got back on the sweets train. I unfortunately think my body is starting to like my current weight.
   85. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: August 08, 2018 at 05:11 PM (#5723468)
Food/exercise: I lost about 10 lbs. and significantly increased my "good" cholesterol when I started running regularly (~80-120 miles per month), even though I was consuming more calories and carbs than ever**. One consequence of the running is that I am always hungry at work, but I have found that keeping a bottle of water on my desk and refilling it throughout the day helps to reduce that hunger. When I do snack at work I try to have granola bars or just a bag of peanuts/almonds, something like that. Occasionally I will buy a share size bag of peanut M&Ms; or something like that, but I go through it in 2-3 days and that isn't good for my digestion.

Caffeine: I used to drink a lot of diet cola (3-5 cans per day). A couple of years ago I basically cut that out of my diet and now I limit myself to 1-2 cups of coffee (which I make at home) per day and no other caffeine. It's better for the environment, better for my teeth, and probably marginally better for my overall health. Keeping the water bottle on my desk filled helps with that--I have found that I rarely miss sports drinks / juice / etc. but I do occasionally crave a Diet Coke or Dr. Pepper. That stuff really is addictive.

Cholesterol: I gave up red meat and poultry a few years ago and meaningfully increased the amount of fruits, vegetables and fish I was eating. I found it had almost no effect on my cholesterol, which is in the borderline area, but as mentioned above, regular cardio really improved my "good" cholesterol.

Ice cream: Used to go through an entire pint after a long run. Now I still eat it on occasion, but I don't binge.

**I know my metabolism is not normal so the above won't work for most people.
   86. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: August 08, 2018 at 05:16 PM (#5723471)

Oh, and I found the article interesting but color me skeptical. I need to read the 4-part series they link to first. For example, what is the practical explanation for why pitchers walk more batters with the shift on? Are teams shifting more often with worse pitchers on the mound, or later in the game, or some other factor that's not being controlled for?
   87. Perry Posted: August 08, 2018 at 06:41 PM (#5723525)
Sadly, we've achieved such a post-satire world that I can't tell if this is a joke or there actually is a place in LA or NY that does this. It's terrifyingly plausible.


I think I can top it. Downtown Boulder has an oxygen bar.
   88. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 08, 2018 at 07:25 PM (#5723552)
For example, what is the practical explanation for why pitchers walk more batters with the shift on?

The likely explanation for more walks would seem to be that the pitchers are mostly only using half the plate. The shift plays hitters to pull, so there's some reluctance to throw to the outside part of the plate, where batters would have an easier time going to the opposite field. A smaller target, and a concern that any misses be inside rather than on the outer half, should produce more walks. Or maybe it's bad diet.
   89. JAHV Posted: August 08, 2018 at 07:35 PM (#5723560)
I think I can top it. Downtown Boulder has an oxygen bar.


Those used to be all over the place 5 - 10 years ago. I rarely go to the malls/shopping centers where those types of places could be found, so I have no idea if they're still a popular thing. But they used to be fairly common.
   90. Hysterical & Useless Posted: August 08, 2018 at 07:50 PM (#5723567)
I blame the damn environmentalists. They made us clean up the air, and it just killed off the whole "oxygen for sale" industry. Cost us dozens--scores even--of jobs.
   91. villageidiom Posted: August 09, 2018 at 06:59 AM (#5723801)
Every flavored water I've tried has tasted either like (a) artificial sweetener or (b) nothing. Any recommendations?
Maybe be less of a weenie and just drink water. Who the #### cares if it's boring, you're not doing it for ####### entertainment.
   92. Lassus Posted: August 09, 2018 at 08:02 AM (#5723808)
Those were all "safe" carbs, i.e., ones that don't spike blood sugar (e.g., apples

As a type I diabetic, this strikes me as quite odd. Unless something's changed, from my training apples and apple juice were a good thing to have in case of low-blood-sugar fits. 1/3 a cup of apple juice has as much sugar as 1/2 a cup of OJ.
   93. Omineca Greg Posted: August 09, 2018 at 08:14 AM (#5723814)
I drink a lot of sparkling mineral party. I love the little bubbles. Turns drinking water into a party. I don't drink the flavoured waters very often, although Loblaw's has a store brand melon one that I drink sometimes.

My helpful suggestion for those bored with regular old water is cocktail bitters. They come in a wide range of flavours, and you can add as little or as much as you want. I've only done it with still water when I was stranded in someplace where the tap water was undrinkable to me otherwise (yes, I travel with cocktail bitters, got a problem with that?), it got the job done but we're talking about a move from "barftastic" to "well, I guess that's not so bad...". But with sparkling water it works like a charm.
   94. PreservedFish Posted: August 09, 2018 at 08:30 AM (#5723822)
..
   95. Mefisto Posted: August 09, 2018 at 08:49 AM (#5723833)
@92: I just checked, and apples have a glycemic index of just 32 and a glycemic load of just 4.
   96. manchestermets Posted: August 09, 2018 at 09:12 AM (#5723848)
Fun fact, that I assume most here already know: John Harvey Kellogg invented cornflakes because he thought it would stop people (especially adolescents) from masturbating. (Spoiler: It does not.)

But if you think that is as extreme as his anti-masturbation crusade went, I highly encourage you to read up more on him. It has pretty much everything, from electro-shocks, to acid, to genital mutilation, surgery, chastity cages and other devices...



There's a museum in London that has in its collection an anti-masturbation device. It's a terrifying looking thing - a (fairly narrow) ring that fits round the base of the penis, with spikes on the inside surface of the ring to deliver a sharp lesson should any engorgement occur. Just looking at it was a reasonably effective anti-masturbation tool, if I'm honest.
   97. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: August 09, 2018 at 09:30 AM (#5723857)

The likely explanation for more walks would seem to be that the pitchers are mostly only using half the plate. The shift plays hitters to pull, so there's some reluctance to throw to the outside part of the plate, where batters would have an easier time going to the opposite field.

But TFA explicitly says that's *not* what's happening:

They don't appear to be pitching to the shift -- by throwing more pitches on the inner part of the plate, for instance -- but merely pitching away from contact, nibbling more and throwing fewer fastballs.
   98. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: August 09, 2018 at 09:36 AM (#5723861)
Fun fact, that I assume most here already know: John Harvey Kellogg invented cornflakes because he thought it would stop people (especially adolescents) from masturbating. (Spoiler: It does not.)

Graham crackers were developed for exactly the same reason
   99. puck Posted: August 09, 2018 at 10:49 AM (#5723956)
Fun fact, that I assume most here already know: John Harvey Kellogg invented cornflakes because he thought it would stop people (especially adolescents) from masturbating. (Spoiler: It does not.)


Graham crackers were developed for exactly the same reason


I am kind of afraid to ask, but how were these supposed to help? If this involves **** rings with inward-facing spikes, no need to explain.

Edit: oh, asking for a friend.
   100. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 09, 2018 at 11:13 AM (#5723987)
Maybe be less of a weenie and just drink water. Who the #### cares if it's boring, you're not doing it for ####### entertainment.
Yeah, I'll get right on that.
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