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MLB owners expected to unanimously approve extension for Rob Manfred next week, report says

MLB owners are soon expected to vote on a new five-year term for commissioner of baseball Rob Manfred, reports USA Today’s Bob Nightengale.

To get a contract extension, Manfred will need “yes” votes from a simple majority of team owners (i.e., at least 16 of 30). However, Nightengale reports that Manfred is expected to receive unanimous support among owners when they meet in Atlanta next week.

Manfred, 60, has served in the role since January of 2015, when he succeeded Bud Selig and became the 10th commissioner of baseball. Prior to his election, Manfred served for many years as MLB’s COO and Selig’s lead negotiator.

There’s no chance that the owners will claim that they’re thinking about this subject and then ultimately do nothing, is there?

QLE Posted: November 11, 2018 at 06:56 AM | 30 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. McCoy Posted: November 11, 2018 at 02:35 PM (#5785715)
He’ll consider it.
   2. asinwreck Posted: November 11, 2018 at 05:30 PM (#5785759)
Reinsdorf's voting yes?
   3. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: November 11, 2018 at 06:53 PM (#5785783)
He should be beaten with an axe the moment he steps off the ship in Mexico.
   4. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: November 11, 2018 at 07:32 PM (#5785789)
I’m curious, what do people think Manfred should be doing that someone else would be doing. I’m not particularly enameled with Manfred but I’m not sure what else we should expect from a commissioner.
   5. McCoy Posted: November 11, 2018 at 07:36 PM (#5785790)
More flossing
   6. cardsfanboy Posted: November 11, 2018 at 07:45 PM (#5785794)
I’m curious, what do people think Manfred should be doing that someone else would be doing. I’m not particularly enameled with Manfred but I’m not sure what else we should expect from a commissioner.


No clue to be honest. I'm fine with him willing to at least consider things, but I do wish he would implement things and stick to them. His use of the time clock has been haphazard at best, the silly decision to focus on mound visits instead of actual stuff that wastes time was a headscratcher. People ####### about mound visits, but nobody was really arguing to get rid of them. Ultimately he hasn't really done much good or bad, he pales in comparison to his predecessor, but his predecessor had 20+ years of being great at the job.

But yes people do think he should probably call out collusion from the owners for the way that they have been treating free agents the past couple of years, or at least try to force the issue. He probably needs to talk about tanking and argue that it's bad for the game as a whole. He's been an absent commissioner, which is what many people want, but he needs to be at least attempting to not look to be totally in the pockets of the owners.

For the most part he's been okay, staying out of the way and saying he'll consider stuff then not making any actual decisions, and when he actually does do something, show no backbone to follow through with maintaining those changes. But he hasn't been actually doing much to help the game in anyway from any side of the table viewpoint. He hasn't really helped the owners, just let things continue on the track they were going, hasn't helped the players and hasn't helped the fans other than a few cosmetic things here or there. Ultimately he's like pretty much 90% of the CEO's of big companies that took over after the company has been going good for a few decades, his entire job is to not hurt the company and he hasn't really failed at that, but he's let it slide a bit.
   7. McCoy Posted: November 11, 2018 at 07:57 PM (#5785798)
At this point it looks like Manfred is a caretaker rather than an innovator or builder. We'll have to wait and see what the ramifications of that is.
   8. shoewizard Posted: November 12, 2018 at 11:42 AM (#5786024)
The pace of play rules in use at the Arizona Fall League are great. Really keep the pace moving, but does not feel "hurried" at all. I've been to 6 games. Have seen automatic ball called 3 times.

Except for first pitch of the at bat, Pitchers have 15 seconds to come set or a ball is called. last year it was 20 seconds. If Batter is not in the box with 5 seconds left on the clock, a strike is called.

There is a 30 second timer in between batters, and batter has 15 seconds to get in the box. If he is not in box and alert to pitcher with 5 seconds left...strike is called. If pitcher is not set by 30 seconds, ball is called.

2:15 inning break. (Maybe advertising issues there)

30 second mound visit limitations. Max 6 mound visits.

NONE of these are actually intrusive. Once the players get used to the pace, they just play that way, and it's much more enjoyable and easier to maintain focus during the game.

The only rule I don't like is the Extra Inning Rule starting with a runner on 2b that is already in use in the minor leagues. But I think that is coming too.

   9. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: November 12, 2018 at 12:50 PM (#5786067)
NONE of these are actually intrusive. Once the players get used to the pace, they just play that way, and it's much more enjoyable and easier to maintain focus during the game.


How long have the games been taking to play?
   10. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: November 12, 2018 at 01:28 PM (#5786083)
I’m curious, what do people think Manfred should be doing that someone else would be doing. I’m not particularly enameled with Manfred but I’m not sure what else we should expect from a commissioner.
Oh, come on. How about anything that would substantially improve pace of play.
   11. shoewizard Posted: November 12, 2018 at 01:40 PM (#5786095)
How long have the games been taking to play?


I don't know the avg.

I went Saturday night, and that was the longest game I've been to, at 3:01

THIS Game was 2:03

I went to This 14-4 affair that included 23 hits and 12 walks, and 11 pitchers used.

TOG 2:48

Here is a 2:19 G

My guess is the average is between 2:30- 2:45, and almost all the games that go over 3 hours are super high scoring. For example This game took 3:12 but there were 29 runs on 38 hits and 10 walks. ooph.
   12. Nasty Nate Posted: November 12, 2018 at 01:44 PM (#5786099)
I’m not particularly enameled with Manfred but I’m not sure what else we should expect from a commissioner.
Certainly not dental work!
   13. Ginger Nut Posted: November 12, 2018 at 02:36 PM (#5786125)
I have mixed feelings about pace of play because, as ticket prices have risen, I want more when I shell out the bucks to go to the game. On the other hand, when I watch on tv or listen on the radio, I would really like it to be over in 2 hours. As an adult with kids and a job, I just don't have time to watch a three plus hour sporting event on tv. But, when I've gone to a game that goes by in less than 3 hours, I have felt that I didn't really get enough for my entertainment dollar. I usually go in SF, and it's often over $100 to sit in view box or in the arcade in right field. At those prices, I don't want a short game. But if I'm watching on tv, there's no way I can watch the entire thing.
   14. shoewizard Posted: November 12, 2018 at 02:44 PM (#5786129)
Interesting perspective. I like to get to games early when I go. At least 1 hour, sometimes more. I take a walk all around the park, and take in all the pre game festivities. Or sometimes meet up with friends for a cocktail before game, etc. But if you don't have that time luxury to go early, I understand where you are coming from.

Back before my phone and alerts and twitter took over my consciousness, I used to DVR the games, and have dinner with family with TV off right about when game started. By the time we finished dinner, cleanup, and all, the game was usually 45-minutes to an hour old. Then I just fast forwarded between innings, and if the game was lopsided, between at bats to speed things up even more.

Now I'd never be able to do that without "spoiling" it.
   15. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: November 13, 2018 at 09:09 AM (#5786422)
My guess is the average is between 2:30- 2:45, and almost all the games that go over 3 hours are super high scoring.


That sounds wonderful. MLB average 9 inning game time in 2018 was 3 hours.
   16. Zonk Can't Hide his Disdain or Disgust Posted: November 13, 2018 at 09:31 AM (#5786436)
Did the negotiations start at 2B?
   17. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: November 13, 2018 at 10:50 AM (#5786490)

Back before my phone and alerts and twitter took over my consciousness, I used to DVR the games, and have dinner with family with TV off right about when game started. By the time we finished dinner, cleanup, and all, the game was usually 45-minutes to an hour old. Then I just fast forwarded between innings, and if the game was lopsided, between at bats to speed things up even more.
I still do this; I'm just careful not to turn on alerts in any apps that give sports results. But... this solves the length of game problem, but not the pace of play problem. You can't FF between pitches, and that's where so much of the problem is.

I understand and sympathize with Ginger Nut's argument, but I can't agree. Yeah, if I go to a game on a Sunday afternoon, a long day at the park is tolerable. But for night games? A round trip commuting time for me adds at least two extra hours, and generally more, to a trip to the park. So for a game starting at 7, I'm getting home at 11 at best even if the game is played reasonably quickly. And I have to leave at least at 5. So we're talking about a six-hour commitment. And then to have an even longer game? No thanks. Especially since all that extra time is down time, not play.

On the other hand, at home I can (as discussed above) DVR the game and speed it up, plus I can multitask. So I don't care that much how long a game goes.
   18. PreservedFish Posted: November 13, 2018 at 11:34 AM (#5786530)
I too enjoy longer games at the park, because I like just being at the ballpark, even when nothing is happening. But I'd definitely sacrifice that for a faster televised product.
   19. Greg Pope Posted: November 13, 2018 at 05:01 PM (#5786849)
I understand and sympathize with Ginger Nut's argument, but I can't agree.
...
Especially since all that extra time is down time, not play.


This is the crux of the matter. I get the concept of a leisurely day at the ballpark, but you're not getting any more baseball in the 3:15 game than you are in the 2:45 game. It's dead time.

   20. RMc's Daps of the Dope Artists Posted: November 13, 2018 at 07:58 PM (#5786985)
THIS Game was 2:03

92 events in 123 minutes...a blazing 1.34 MPE!
   21. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: November 13, 2018 at 08:01 PM (#5786986)
Oh, come on. How about anything that would substantially improve pace of play.


But this is my thing, do you really think another commissioner would be doing anything else to make that happen. Given the constraints of the MLBPA having to sign off and the owners not seeming to care I’m highly skeptical that NotManfred would have made meaningful changes to pace of play. As cfb notes everyone is making a shitton of money so there is no motivation to make big changes.

There are plenty of things I’d LIKE to see a benevolent despot commissioner do but that’s not the job, Kennesaw Landis ain’t walking through that door.
   22. cardsfanboy Posted: November 13, 2018 at 08:16 PM (#5786993)
But this is my thing, do you really think another commissioner would be doing anything else to make that happen. Given the constraints of the MLBPA having to sign off and the owners not seeming to care I’m highly skeptical that NotManfred would have made meaningful changes to pace of play. As cfb notes everyone is making a shitton of money so there is no motivation to make big changes.

There are plenty of things I’d LIKE to see a benevolent despot commissioner do but that’s not the job, Kennesaw Landis ain’t walking through that door.


Right, that is the real point, people want to see magic stuff happen based upon their worldview and a totalitarian regime, but the reality is much different. Everything that can be done, needs to pass multiple levels of bureaucracy to happen, and just getting anything done of substance is impressive, getting even positive incremental increases without support from either of the sides is still impressive, even if it's a mostly empty gesture in the end.


For the most part he hasn't done anything wrong, and hasn't really done anything great, but to be fair, it's not like there is much he can do in just 3 years. It's a meme on here, but his willingness to consider has to be considered a plus.
   23. JAHV Posted: November 13, 2018 at 08:31 PM (#5787003)
Here's the question that I wrestle with:

If the price of enforcing the time limits in between pitches was that we had to accept the one out, runner on second rule to begin extra innings, would I be okay with that? If Manfred came out and said that he's going all in to fix this, and that means a whole package of changes, take it or leave it, I could see that scenario playing out.

If you'd asked me even six months ago, I probably would have said no. I'm cool with the runner on 2B rule in Little League because of time constraints and saving kids' arms. But I hate the idea for the majors. That said, this past postseason was so brutal that I'm pretty much right on the fence now. As much as I hate the idea of the extra inning garbage, getting pitchers and batters to quit screwing around and play the damn game seems appealing.
   24. Greg Pope Posted: November 14, 2018 at 01:15 AM (#5787083)
do you really think another commissioner would be doing anything else to make that happen. Given the constraints of the MLBPA having to sign off and the owners not seeming to care

I’ll grant that the owners don’t seem to care, and I don’t know if another commissioner would have done anything. But IIRC, Manfred had the power to unilaterally implement a pitch clock this past year, and even announced that he would. Then backed off.
   25. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: November 14, 2018 at 08:39 AM (#5787112)
I'm cool with the runner on 2B rule
Saw that in action in the minors for the first time this year. It's awful. It isn't even aimed at the pace-of-play issue and does nothing for the vast majority of games, and then for the 10% of games (or whatever -- too lazy to look at the exact number right now) that go extra innings, it's terribly distorting.


But it would be just like the stupid owners to do a "package" of rule changes like that rather than trying out the changes separately and seeing what works and what's not necessary.
   26. base ball chick Posted: November 14, 2018 at 12:26 PM (#5787345)
agree with david
   27. Man o' Schwar Posted: November 14, 2018 at 01:01 PM (#5787382)
If we're putting a runner on 2B, then you have to make it interesting. Make it the slowest runner on the team. Molina-level or worse. They may still need 2 singles to score someone.
   28. Tom Nawrocki Posted: November 14, 2018 at 01:06 PM (#5787386)
Put a runner on second, but blindfold him. The third base coach is permitted to holler out "Warmer, warmer, now you're getting colder..."
   29. Man o' Schwar Posted: November 14, 2018 at 01:09 PM (#5787388)
What about 2 runners on 2nd, but tied together like for a 3-legged race? Or maybe the wheelbarrow race?

That could be a developed and scouted skill - guys who have strong arms and can really motor as the barrow part of the tandem. I look forward to the BAR (Barrow Above Replacement) leaderboards, soon to be on BBRef.
   30. Hysterical & Useless Posted: November 15, 2018 at 12:44 PM (#5787896)
his willingness to consider has to be considered a plus.


Being willing to consider the runner on 2nd BS is to me totally disqualifying for having anything to do with the game of baseball.

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