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Monday, January 28, 2008

MLB: Phillies reportedly sign free agent Pedro Feliz

The Phillies have upgraded at third base after all, reportedly signing free-agent third baseman Pedro Feliz to a two-year deal.

An agreement was first reported by ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark, and it is believed to be pending a physical. For their part, the Phillies said the deal isn’t quite complete.

“We haven’t finalized anything, but have been talking to his representatives,” Phillies assistant general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. said late Monday afternoon.

Thanks to Jeffo...

Repoz Posted: January 28, 2008 at 10:57 PM | 64 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Willie Mayspedester Posted: January 28, 2008 at 11:02 PM (#2677914)
So does this make it official that they have the best hitting infield?
   2. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 28, 2008 at 11:03 PM (#2677917)
My dream has come true!

It would have been an "upgrade" from Abraham Nuñez even if they just stuck with Dobbs and Helms, though.
   3. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: January 28, 2008 at 11:05 PM (#2677918)
I hope this leads the Giants into an ill-advised trade for Joe Crede.
   4. Cowboy Popup Posted: January 28, 2008 at 11:06 PM (#2677920)
So does this make it official that they have the best hitting infield?

Feliz is a bad enough hitter that it puts the Yanks in the running. I think the Jeter > Rollins and A-rod > Howard closes the Utley > Cano gap enough that depending on who the Yanks run out at first, they could catch them.
   5. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 28, 2008 at 11:09 PM (#2677924)
Feliz is a bad enough hitter that it puts the Yanks in the running.

OK, it makes the Phils have the most home-run-hitting infield then.

Feliz's 25 homers this year will make him seem like a huge improvement over Nuñez, that's for sure. And he's the best fielding third baseman in baseball. Ryan Howard should have fewer errors this year.

They certainly have a lot of non-young hitters on the 40-man roster this year. Restovich has already signed with the Phillies, been displaced, and gone to Japan, and now they have three third basemen. And is Bruntlett really the backup for every infield position?
   6. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: January 28, 2008 at 11:14 PM (#2677931)
Pardon my meh-ness but somehow I feel like we are getting the reincarnation of David Bell. Feliz's fielding is good enough to make him average-ish, correct?
Some wacky platoon splits for Feliz the last two years. If he had decided "regular" splits, a quasi platoon with Dobbs might be useful.
I don't know what to make of this. I was dreading a season of "defense" from Helms and Dobbs at 3B so I guess this signing helps.
Are there any middle relievers out there for Helms that Ed Wade hasn't scarfed up?
   7. Bad Doctor Posted: January 28, 2008 at 11:15 PM (#2677932)
Feliz is a bad enough hitter that it puts the Yanks in the running. I think the Jeter > Rollins and A-rod > Howard closes the Utley > Cano gap enough that depending on who the Yanks run out at first, they could catch them.

How about just best infield -period- then? Everyone but Howard can pick it pretty well.

I'm with you, Crispix, I always thought adding Feliz was an interesting situation, even last year ... do they have enough OBP that they can punt it, in exchange for a great glove and some RH sock?
   8. Honkie Kong Posted: January 28, 2008 at 11:17 PM (#2677934)
Good signing for the Phils. His hitting numbers might look halfway decent too now that he plays half his games in CBP instead of Barry Bonds park.
And Rollins can now stick to scooping up balls down the middle more than ranging way into the 3B hole.
   9. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 28, 2008 at 11:18 PM (#2677935)
Pardon my meh-ness but somehow I feel like we are getting the reincarnation of David Bell.

Yes, you could look at it that way. I guess we have to wait until we see what kind of contract he's getting.

Just because he's underrated in general doesn't mean he'll be a bargain I guess.
   10. flournoy Posted: January 28, 2008 at 11:24 PM (#2677944)
Pardon my homerificness, but I'd put the Braves infield up against either of those two offensively.
   11. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: January 28, 2008 at 11:34 PM (#2677952)
Phew. I was growing concerned that Doug Melvin might make an offer.

But the above comment about Feliz in Philly rings true to me. Watching the lad play he might go Tony Batista for a year or so with an OBP of .300 but 35 odd homers. Add in the defense and it's a whackadoodle value combination.
   12. Skinner! Posted: January 28, 2008 at 11:42 PM (#2677961)
Jeter better than Rollins? I know everyone on this site hates Rollins, but that seems like a stretch.
   13. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: January 28, 2008 at 11:48 PM (#2677967)
Jeter better than Rollins? I know everyone on this site hates Rollins, but that seems like a stretch.

Rollins was better in 2007 but that hasn't been before that most of the time, if ever. Jeter might be beginning his decline and Rollins entering his prime. Of course, maybe Jeter will rebound and Rollins will return to his pre-2007 levels.
   14. Famous Original Joe C Posted: January 28, 2008 at 11:48 PM (#2677968)
Jeter better than Rollins? I know everyone on this site hates Rollins, but that seems like a stretch.

Pure offensive contribution? Rollins just posted a 118 OPS+ - highest of his career easily. Jeter posted a more OBP-heavy 121 in what was a typical season for him. They're both good baserunners - maybe you can make a case for Rollins as a better overall player if you factor in D, but Jeter is the better hitter.

EDIT: Man, Rollins did have some season last year though, huh?
   15. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 28, 2008 at 11:49 PM (#2677969)
LOL

If you think everyone on this site hates Rollins, 'tis but a tiny spark compared to the roaring fires of their hatred for Jeter.
   16. Cowboy Popup Posted: January 28, 2008 at 11:50 PM (#2677970)
Beaten to the punch, by a lot of people.
   17. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: January 28, 2008 at 11:57 PM (#2677974)
Who on the Phils is a groundball pitcher? The Phils could have used Feliz when Lieber was on the mound.
   18. JPWF13 Posted: January 29, 2008 at 12:00 AM (#2677977)
Jeter better than Rollins? I know everyone on this site hates Rollins, but that seems like a stretch.

Pure offensive contribution? Rollins just posted a 118 OPS+ - highest of his career easily. Jeter posted a more OBP-heavy 121 in what was a typical season for him.


Jeter OPS+ last 3: 121, 132, 125 (career 122)
Rollins: 118, 101, 97 (career 98)

Rollins is a better fielder (by default- he's only average or a little better- Jeter just reeks), but not enough to close a 24 point OPS+ gap

Rollins is 5 years younger, Jeter is on the wrong side of 30

Rollins was better in 2007 - and if he can keep within 5-10 OPS+ points of Jeter in 2008, I'd say Rollins had passed Jeter and in 2007/08 was the better overall SS.
   19. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 29, 2008 at 12:04 AM (#2677979)
Who on the Phils is a groundball pitcher? The Phils could have used Feliz when Lieber was on the mound.

Good point.

Kendrick is a groundball pitcher.
   20. Alex_Lewis Posted: January 29, 2008 at 12:32 AM (#2677999)
Begs the question... Who plays third for the Giants?

Well, I guess it only begs the question if you care about the Giants at all.

Steve. Steve?! Where are you?!
   21. Honkie Kong Posted: January 29, 2008 at 12:33 AM (#2678003)
From ZiPS, just comparing hitting

3B : ARod - 993 Chipper - 979 Feliz - 664 ( in SF )
Win for the Yanks.

SS : Jeter - 831, Rollins - 821, Yunel - 765
Big win for the Yanks again. Jeter's OPS is OBP heavy. and in much tougher park to hit

1B : Howard - 1028, Tex - 931, Shelley - 780
This is where the Phils really own the rest. Even with park adjustments, Howard should project as a better hitter than Tex

2B: Utley - 896, KJ- 840, Cano - 837
Closest by far. Cano probably lags behind the other 2 a bit after park adjustment. Utley a bit ahead of the others.

On that, You have to give the Yankees the best IF, with Phils close behind, and while ATL is close but most definitely behind those 2. ATL has no black hole in the infield which really pulls them close to the top.
If catchers are added, ATL and NYY pull way ahead.
   22. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 29, 2008 at 12:36 AM (#2678005)
Steve. Steve?! Where are you?!

His silence speaks volumes. I can only presume we'll hear about the Cain-for-Crede trade any time now, followed by a breaking story about a hostage situation at Sabean's office.
   23. Honkie Kong Posted: January 29, 2008 at 12:42 AM (#2678010)
Really, why no love for Morgan Ensberg? The Giants could get him for cheap, and have Frandsen as a supersub who fills in when Ensberg/Durham eventually go down.
   24. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: January 29, 2008 at 12:46 AM (#2678012)

Newsblog: Outspoken Jack Morris raps steroid users
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Newsblog: MLB: Phillies reportedly sign free agent Pedro Feliz
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Did I miss another recent inside joke? This is what Wiki Gonzalez is for.
   25. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 29, 2008 at 12:49 AM (#2678014)
   26. MM1f Posted: January 29, 2008 at 12:59 AM (#2678018)
"Really, why no love for Morgan Ensberg?"

I wouldn't want to count on him. Seems to me like hes toast. Low average, high walk, unathletic corner power hitter with a burnt out shoulder... seems like the type to wash out in the early 30s.
Plus his career didn't really start 'til 26, seems like late-bloomers are often also the early burnouts.

I suppose he couldn't hurt a team for a couple mil on a one year deal but if i want to contend I wouldn't want him as my plan A at third.

Pedro Feliz is no great shakes but there is something to be said for "knowing what you get". They have enough offense everywhere else to survive a weaker 80-85 OPS+ at third since it comes with great defense. He isn't a total offensive zero, he'll give you 20something homers from th bottom of the lineup. Hell, moving from SF to Citizen's Bank Bandbox hes got a chance at 30 homers... not that moving parks actually makes you a better hitter.
   27. phredbird Posted: January 29, 2008 at 01:02 AM (#2678020)
crispix is i guess the rightful owner but i liked it so much i appropriated it. i don't feel too bad cuz i posted my attraction to the name first, and also offered to give it back if b-p crispix objected, but he never said anything.
   28. Honkie Kong Posted: January 29, 2008 at 01:02 AM (#2678021)
I wouldn't want to count on him. Seems to me like hes toast. Low average, high walk, unathletic corner power hitter with a burnt out shoulder... seems like the type to wash out in the early 30s

Agreed, but I was talking about the Giants. They have absolutely nothing to lose by signing him, and is certainly a better option than trading for Crede.
   29. Steve Treder Posted: January 29, 2008 at 01:03 AM (#2678022)
Steve. Steve?! Where are you?!


His silence speaks volumes. I can only presume we'll hear about the Cain-for-Crede trade any time now, followed by a breaking story about a hostage situation at Sabean's office.

Don't blow my plan, now.
   30. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 29, 2008 at 01:05 AM (#2678023)
We need as many baseballing powerhouses as possible! There is no rightful owner.
   31. phredbird Posted: January 29, 2008 at 01:06 AM (#2678027)
cool.
   32. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: January 29, 2008 at 01:08 AM (#2678028)
Thanks, guys. I don't stop by on the weekend for once and all the locks are changed.
   33. Munsons Stash Posted: January 29, 2008 at 01:08 AM (#2678029)
I thought Morgan Ensberg already signed with someone...

But it may just be the crack...
   34. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 29, 2008 at 01:08 AM (#2678030)
I thought Morgan Ensberg already signed with the Padres.

That was for the remainder of last season.
   35. Alex_Lewis Posted: January 29, 2008 at 01:19 AM (#2678037)
No, Ensberg, that'd be great! He could hit in the four spot!

Sigh.
   36. jwb Posted: January 29, 2008 at 01:52 AM (#2678066)
Who's still out there:
Name             B Age  Last Season   Marcel
Morgan Ensberg   R 32 F
.ASD  4,350,000 107
Russell Branyan  L 32 F
.AStL 1,000,000 102
Corey Koskie     L 35 F
.AMil 6,250,000 102
Jeff Cirillo     R 38 F
.AAz  1,500,000  91
Tony Graffanino  R 36 F
.AMil 3,250,000  87
Tony Batista     R 34 F
.AWas      MiLB  80
Dallas McPherson L 27 F
.ALAA   382,500  65
Mark Bellhorn    B 33 F
.ACin      MiLB  47
Alex S
Gonzalez R 35 F.AWas      MiLB  30
Lou Merloni      R 37 F
.AOak      MiLB  24
Andy Gonzalez    R 26 F
.AChS      MiLB  20 


I think. Some of these may not have exactly made headlines if they signed a minor league deal or retired. Graffanino sort of fits the nexus of old, pricy, and bad.
   37. The Most Interesting Man In The World Posted: January 29, 2008 at 01:56 AM (#2678068)
Dallas McPherson L 27 F.A. LAA 382,500 65

One would have to think he'd at least get an invite.
   38. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 29, 2008 at 01:56 AM (#2678069)
Tony Batista's only 34?!?!?!?!?

Maybe I shouldn't have been so shocked to see him in the majors in both 2006 and 2007.

And maybe I should finally figure out that he is not the same person as Tony Fernandez, who has been retired for six years now.

Also, Jeff Cirillo would be a great choice for the Giants to keep alive their streak of oldest lineups in baseball history, while also gunning for the record for fewest runs scored in a 162-game season.
   39. A Day In the Park Posted: January 29, 2008 at 02:11 AM (#2678076)
Wait, Feliz is good?

Really?

Hitting 20+ HR's for three straight seasons makes a player good despite his three OBP's in those seasons of .295, .281, and .290?

Also, it's not like his SLG is that great. In the previous three seasons they were .422, .428, and .418

I understand he's very good defensively, but does it really close the gap of his crapiness on offense?

Oh, he'll be 33 next season.

Dobb/Helms would be better.

Seriously.
   40. Jeffo has an El Camino full of Rampage Posted: January 29, 2008 at 02:20 AM (#2678086)
Your welcome Repoz, though I'm sure I didn't send you this article, since I've never sent an article! Is there some evil twin of mine running around linking articles to baseball blogs?

Most curious.
   41. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: January 29, 2008 at 02:26 AM (#2678091)
I saw Merloni the other day. He was still looking for a job.
   42. Alex_Lewis Posted: January 29, 2008 at 02:27 AM (#2678092)
I expect Brandon Inge is probably available on the cheap... But I would MUCH rather have Ensberg or McPherson.
   43. xbhaskarx Posted: January 29, 2008 at 03:05 AM (#2678126)
Signing with the Phillies was a no-brainer for Feliz.
   44. PatrickInTheWoods, Apostate Posted: January 29, 2008 at 04:28 AM (#2678179)
I like this deal. We get a fielding 3B who can actually field, and he has some pop too. I was getting sick and tired of hearing folks talk about Nunez' great D. The guy just was not any good at anything anymore.
   45. PatrickInTheWoods, Apostate Posted: January 29, 2008 at 04:28 AM (#2678182)
Oh. And Crispix gets what he wanted, which has got to count for something.
   46. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 29, 2008 at 04:34 AM (#2678186)
I didn't want it that much. I was just pointing out that if people thought Joe Crede was worth taking a flyer on, well, Pedro Feliz is like Joe Crede but better, so don't act like he's some sort of laughingstock.
   47. Skinner! Posted: January 29, 2008 at 04:46 AM (#2678192)
I watched Jeter a bit last year, and unless he was injured he doesn't look like he has got the speed anymore. Without the speed, I doubt he'll get his historically high hit percentage, and there goes his inflated BA and OBP. Without that, he's only a good player as opposed to the offensive powerhouse he was in his youth. Rollins only fault is his relative lack of walks, which holds down his OBP.

Was Jeter injured last year?
   48. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: January 29, 2008 at 04:47 AM (#2678193)
Was Jeter injured last year?


Yes. He played most of last year with a messed up knee.
   49. Nasty Nate Posted: January 29, 2008 at 04:48 AM (#2678195)
Mark Bellhorn B 33 F.A. Cin MiLB 47


FREE SMELLHORN!
   50. RJ in TO Posted: January 29, 2008 at 04:52 AM (#2678199)
Tony Batista's only 34?!?!?!?!?


When I saw this, I assumed that you had to be wrong. Then I checked Baseball-Reference, and it backed you up, so I can only assume that it's wrong too. There's no way that my mind can properly cope with the idea that Tony Batista is only 34. It just seems like some violation of a basic natural law.

Of course, by your reaction, it seems that you can't quite cope with this either.
   51. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 29, 2008 at 04:54 AM (#2678200)
Ah, you had him confused with Tony Fernandez too, right? Or maybe even Tony Phillips, or Tony Clark, aside from confusing those two with each other? I know how it feels.

These Tonies need more distinctive names. Tarasco and Graffanino never get confused with anyone else.

EDIT: Upon further research, the Expos should definitely resign Tony Batista. Now that they have Elijah Dukes, Batista's message of love and Christianity has never been so urgently needed.
   52. RJ in TO Posted: January 29, 2008 at 05:00 AM (#2678205)
Nope. As a lifetime Jays fan, I am legally prohibited from confusing Tony Fernandez with any other Tony on the face of the earth, on pain of extremely violent death. Us Canadians aren't always friendly and polite, eh?

Batista, on the other hand, just feels like he should be older than he is - it just seems like it was too long ago that he was that up-and-coming slugging shortstop that we poached from Arizona for almost nothing. Or perhaps, like Ron Karkovice or Otis Nixon, Batista's just visually ageing at a greatly accelerated rate. Or, even more likely, my mind is just crap.
   53. MM1f Posted: January 29, 2008 at 05:26 AM (#2678216)
"One would have to think he'd at least get an invite."

Who says he hasn't gotten some invites or minimum wage deals?
I'm sure he's just trying to wait and see if anyone is left needing a 3b after some other guys have signed and is willing to pay him 1 mil rather than 500k or something.
   54. MM1f Posted: January 29, 2008 at 05:35 AM (#2678223)
"Wait, Feliz is good?"

Who said that?
No one.


"Dobb/Helms would be better."

On offense? Slightly probably, but Feliz has a pretty big defensive edge on those guys - both of whom are pretty lead-footed.
I'd say his defense DOES make up the gap, and probably at little more, between him and Helms/Dobbs. He is at least worth inviting into the mix if this deal isn't too expensive.
   55. MM1f Posted: January 29, 2008 at 05:41 AM (#2678225)
"
I expect Brandon Inge is probably available on the cheap... But I would MUCH rather have Ensberg or McPherson."

Really!?
Theres no way I could do that.

Ensberg and McPherson have a little more offensive upside but they are also far more likely to washout and are far inferior defensively.
   56. Lassus Posted: January 29, 2008 at 06:32 AM (#2678248)
There was one year when Pedro Feliz was an important part of my 6th-place roto team. As a Mets fan, I support this move.
   57. Alex_Lewis Posted: January 29, 2008 at 06:40 AM (#2678254)
Look, best case scenario the Giants lose 90+ games. Brandon Inge at his best in no way helps the future. Sign McPherson at a bargain rate and hope he starts to perform. If he does, great... We have 3B who can make some noise. If not, no big deal. I don't want to waste time messing around with an older player who will at best be a bit part.
   58. PatrickInTheWoods, Apostate Posted: January 29, 2008 at 06:43 AM (#2678255)
so don't act like he's some sort of laughingstock

I did this exactly how?

As for the deal, I heard 2 yrs 8.5 Mil. That doesn't seem too bad to me, any other thoughts?
   59. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 29, 2008 at 06:44 AM (#2678257)
McPherson's more likely to be a bit part than Inge. I think the bigger reason to not bother with Inge is that spending money on him would be a waste this year.
   60. Spahn Insane Posted: January 29, 2008 at 06:59 AM (#2678263)
I thought Alex S. Gonzalez (that's the one who got let off the historical "goat" hook [unjustly] by Bartman, not the former Marlin) retired.
   61. rfloh Posted: January 29, 2008 at 07:20 AM (#2678268)
Wait, Feliz is good?

Really?

Hitting 20+ HR's for three straight seasons makes a player good despite his three OBP's in those seasons of .295, .281, and .290?

Also, it's not like his SLG is that great. In the previous three seasons they were .422, .428, and .418

I understand he's very good defensively, but does it really close the gap of his crapiness on offense?

Oh, he'll be 33 next season.

Dobb/Helms would be better.

Seriously.


By Batting Runs or Batting Runs above average, Feliz has been around 15-20 runs below average offensively the last 3 years. By most defensive metrics, UZR, plus minus, RZR, ZR, about 20-30 runs above average defensively the last 3 years.
   62. dmunk Posted: January 29, 2008 at 11:03 AM (#2678284)
A few things:

1) There is no metric that can quantify the amount of hair all you Phillies phans are going to tear out watching Pedro swing at breaking balls in the dirt (not to mention watching him try to pull outside pitches and rolling them over on the ground instead).

2) As of right now, the Giants 3B situation is Kevin Frandsen starting (should be replacing Durham at 2B instead, but whatever) with Aurilia as a backup. I'd love to see the Giants get McPherson -- that's exactly the kind of deal Sabean should be making right now (but probably won't).

3) As a Giants fan, the best part is that they essentially get back the sandwich pick that they gave up for Rowand (Phillies got the #34 pick for Rowand [plus a 2nd-rounder], Giants get back the #37 pick for Feliz).
   63. Rusty Priske Posted: January 29, 2008 at 02:54 PM (#2678311)
I think if I was the Giants I would sign Branyan. Is he good? No, but who else on that list really is?

I would like to have Dallas MacPherson on my team, but I wouldn't want to have to rely on him.
   64. calhounite Posted: January 29, 2008 at 07:37 PM (#2678643)
Tony Batista R 34 F.A. Was MiLB 80

is that a pitch for Batista...

Tony'd like to take a swing at that

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