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Thursday, May 18, 2017

MLB probing incident involving Kevin Pillar’s homophobic slur

Major League Baseball says it is investigating an incident in which Toronto Blue Jays outfielder Kevin Pillar appeared to say a homophobic slur at Atlanta Braves pitcher Jason Motte during Wednesday night’s game.

Pillar struck out swinging to end the seventh inning of Atlanta’s 8–4 win and felt he was quick-pitched by Motte.

Pillar started to yell toward the mound at Motte after he struck out….

illar apologized to for actions after the game.

“It was immature, it was stupid, it was uncalled for,” Pillar said. “It’s part of the game, it’s just, I’m a competitive guy and heat of the moment. Obviously I’m going to do whatever I’ve got to do to reach out and apologize and let him know he didn’t do anything wrong, it was all me.”

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 18, 2017 at 02:35 PM | 97 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: May 18, 2017 at 02:40 PM (#5458674)
/eyeroll
   2. Graham & the 15-win "ARod Vortex of suck" Posted: May 18, 2017 at 02:46 PM (#5458685)
"Probing"? Really?
   3. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: May 18, 2017 at 02:54 PM (#5458695)
Nice apology. Every one of us has at least one or two things they wish they hadn't said.
   4. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: May 18, 2017 at 03:02 PM (#5458710)
It always amazes and amuses me how poorly some apologies get done. As jacksone says, this is pretty good.
   5. PreservedFish Posted: May 18, 2017 at 03:05 PM (#5458716)
Definitely a solid apology. Sounds like he's way out in front of it.
   6. Bote Man Posted: May 18, 2017 at 03:32 PM (#5458751)
Don't be sorry, be careful.
   7. Cargo Cultist Posted: May 18, 2017 at 03:54 PM (#5458791)
Use the wrong word, get the Spanish Inquisition. Just stick to the standard twelve-letter special to avoid persecution for ThoughtCrimes.
   8. madvillain Posted: May 18, 2017 at 03:59 PM (#5458796)
What is there to ####### probe? Dude called another guy a faggot. Fine him and move on.
   9. SoSH U at work Posted: May 18, 2017 at 04:03 PM (#5458803)
Just stick to the standard twelve-letter special


Quit the quick-pitching, you dirty cargocultist.

Yeah, that works.
   10. Booey Posted: May 18, 2017 at 04:12 PM (#5458810)
Honest question...why did the Q need to be added to LGBTQ? Isn't it kind of redundant?
   11. madvillain Posted: May 18, 2017 at 04:13 PM (#5458811)
Honest question...why did the Q need to be added to LGBTQ? Isn't it kind of redundant?


I'm sure some can explain it better but the Q basically means "non cis".
   12. dog poop god Posted: May 18, 2017 at 04:14 PM (#5458813)
Is ########## not allowed anymore? Should we dig up George Carlin and scatter his bones to thr dogs because someone might get offended?

Regardless, the Blue Jays as a team need to grow up already. My sense is that they never will under John Gibbons.
   13. BrianBrianson Posted: May 18, 2017 at 04:14 PM (#5458814)
It's a precursor to the much more pronouncable QUILTBAG. So that's nice.
   14. Captain Supporter Posted: May 18, 2017 at 04:26 PM (#5458829)
Its a shame that a minor incidence like this requires an 'investigation'. How about MLB just making some pious statement about its commitment to human rights or world peace or whatever, state that they are pleased Pillar apologized for his unfortunate spur of the moment emotional outburst, and move on. Hopefully, Pillar does not have sit through some kind of sensitivity training as penance for his dastardly act to allow MLB to demonstrate their firm support of gay rights, but I suspect he will be doing that. If he gets fined, the union should fight it.

Now bat flipping on the other hand...lets deal with the real problems in baseball
   15. Jeff Francoeur's OPS Posted: May 18, 2017 at 04:29 PM (#5458834)
Pillar should have called him a c#cksucker and we'd have all be fine.
   16. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: May 18, 2017 at 04:33 PM (#5458844)
What is there to ####### probe?


Whether or not people care enough for MLB to suspend him for PR reasons.
   17. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 18, 2017 at 04:37 PM (#5458849)
Pillar has been suspended for two games by the Blue Jays.
   18. Cargo Cultist Posted: May 18, 2017 at 04:41 PM (#5458857)
What is there to ####### probe? Dude called another guy a faggot. Fine him and move on.


All ThoughtCrimes against politically privileged classes now require an apology, a probe, and an official statement of support for the privileged group.
   19. dog poop god Posted: May 18, 2017 at 04:42 PM (#5458860)
An apology is just blood in the water, unfortunately.
   20. TomH Posted: May 18, 2017 at 04:45 PM (#5458867)
So let me get this straight; you can call people cuss words, insult their momma, scream that the are a cheater, claim they are a mass murderer, and we agree you were not a nice person at that moment, but any words referring to race, identity, etc get you suspended? What about words making fun of someone's nationality (pretty popular in the 70s)?

I detest it when people slur others. But it seems like an incredible double standard and hypocrisy environment we've created.
   21. BDC Posted: May 18, 2017 at 04:55 PM (#5458874)
why did the Q need to be added to LGBTQ? Isn't it kind of redundant?

The others are all binary identities, basically. L/G are opposed to straight, B is opposed to, well, not-bi, and T to "cis" (here I depart from madvillain's interpretation).

Q adumbrates a bunch of other non-locked-in, non-binary identities. So there's poly, asexual, gender-fluid, pansexual, skoliosexual, and doubtless fifty others I am forgetting. Rather than extend the unpronounceable acronym any further, the Q seems to include all of these and others possible as just Queer.
   22. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 18, 2017 at 04:59 PM (#5458877)
All ThoughtCrimes against politically privileged classes now require an apology, a probe, and an official statement of support for the privileged group.


I'm old enough to remember when MLB suspended a guy for saying something nice about a communist.
   23. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: May 18, 2017 at 05:02 PM (#5458881)
So let me get this straight; you can call people cuss words, insult their momma, scream that the are a cheater, claim they are a mass murderer, and we agree you were not a nice person at that moment, but any words referring to race, identity, etc get you suspended?


Correct. The first part is insulting to a single person, the second part is insulting an entire group. If someone wants to call me an #######, hey good for you. If someone wants to call me a spic, we are going to have a real problem.
   24. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 18, 2017 at 05:12 PM (#5458895)
Correct. The first part is insulting to a single person, the second part is insulting an entire group. If someone wants to call me an #######, hey good for you. If someone wants to call me a spic, we are going to have a real problem.

Funny. I'd much rather you insult my race, religion, or ethnicity, than my mother.
   25. zack Posted: May 18, 2017 at 05:13 PM (#5458896)
I detest it when people slur others.

That's why we have the word slur in addition to and distinct from the word insult.

BDC: adumbrate is a great word that I'm going to misuse constantly know that I know it exists.
   26. zack Posted: May 18, 2017 at 05:14 PM (#5458899)
Also "thought crime" is a really word phrase to use when talking about an action-noncrime.
   27. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: May 18, 2017 at 05:18 PM (#5458903)
Funny. I'd much rather you insult my race, religion, or ethnicity, than my mother.


Well I would argue that insulting my race is doing just that, plus my grandmother, plus her friends, plus all my future children plus lots and lots of other people. If you want to insult me though, knock yourself out.
   28. Aspring OTP Dancing Monkey (6 - 4 - 3) Posted: May 18, 2017 at 05:19 PM (#5458907)
Pillar has been suspended for two games by the Blue Jays.

Ridiculous.
   29. DaVoice of DaPeople Posted: May 18, 2017 at 05:25 PM (#5458913)
I say we boycott MLB until they ban Pillar for life!!! And boycott all businesses that advertise during MLB games!!! And we should call the employers of any people we see at MLB games so they know their employees support hate crimes!!!
   30. Rusty Priske Posted: May 18, 2017 at 05:27 PM (#5458916)
The timeline is a little messed up here. There was a 'probe' BEFORE Pillar admitted what he has said. Of course they have to investigate and not jus assume that what people said he said was true.

Also, for everyone applauding his apology - yes, it is a good apology. It is also his SECOND one after he swung and missed the fist time around. (He apologized to Motte for yelling at him, without ever mentioning the slur or apologizing to anyone else he hurt by his words.)

As for saying a 2 game suspension is ridiculous... sad.

It is a good, just penalty for someone who actually seems contrite. Personally, I just hope he means it and isn't just parroting what the Jays' p.r. flacks are telling him to say. I hope he learned something.
   31. Booey Posted: May 18, 2017 at 05:30 PM (#5458918)
Funny. I'd much rather you insult my race, religion, or ethnicity, than my mother.


I doubt I'd take Mama jokes seriously, but yeah, I'd be much more offended if someone insulted my wife and/or kids than I would if they insulted my race, religion, ethnicity, etc. Seems more personal to me. YMMV, of course.

I'd also be much more offended to be called a racist or bigot than to be called an actual racial or bigoted slur. Being a straight white male probably plays into my POV, though.
   32. Lars6788 Posted: May 18, 2017 at 05:34 PM (#5458921)
Just as I figured the reaction would be - go get em' Pillar!
   33. Bote Man Posted: May 18, 2017 at 07:14 PM (#5458976)
I referred to a guy as "Japanese" because I knew that he was born and raised in Japan. Someone who overheard me corrected me, asking, "Don't you mean 'Asian'?"
   34. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: May 18, 2017 at 07:20 PM (#5458979)
There's a sweet mild mannered septuagenarian lady who works part time as a receptionist at my workplace, who said someone called for Jon. Jon? "You know, the Oriental guy."

The funny part is there are two Jon/Johns who work there, both born in the U.S. but one is of Japanese descent, the other Vietnamese. We still didn't know who she meant. I'm honestly not sure she did, either.
   35. dog poop god Posted: May 18, 2017 at 07:29 PM (#5458983)
just Queer.

And we're back around full circle. In less politically-correct times, I knew men who wore the faggot tag proudly, too.
   36. Ulysses S. Fairsmith Posted: May 18, 2017 at 07:30 PM (#5458984)
The Q is for questioning, not queer.
   37. Cargo Cultist Posted: May 18, 2017 at 07:31 PM (#5458985)
But it seems like an incredible double standard and hypocrisy environment we've created.


Welcome to the modern world, which is run by the Politically Correct. Insult white people, straight people, and Christians all you want and it's fine. Insult the privileged - people of color, gays/transvestites/whatevers, or Islam - and the Inquisition will have your head on a platter, you will have to apologize formally and your job is either gone or seriously at risk.

Free speech is dead. Equal speech is dead. The Privileged can insult or defame you at will, but your life as you know it will end if you dare to insult or defame the Privileged. It's the worst double standard ever.
   38. Cargo Cultist Posted: May 18, 2017 at 07:33 PM (#5458986)
Pillar's punishment is an absurdity. But it's a warning to all: do not insult your Overlords. They will not allow it.
   39. dog poop god Posted: May 18, 2017 at 07:35 PM (#5458989)
Are you saying Rob Manfred is a PCF?
   40. dog poop god Posted: May 18, 2017 at 07:37 PM (#5458991)
The Q is for questioning, not queer.

A rose by any other name...
   41. dog poop god Posted: May 18, 2017 at 07:40 PM (#5458992)
Thing is, the best insults are always going to be those words with the greatest shock value. I'm not too upset by theae repercussions, Pillar acted like an idiot.
   42. eddieot Posted: May 18, 2017 at 07:55 PM (#5459000)
Insult white people, straight people, and Christians all you want and it's fine. Insult the privileged - people of color, gays/transvestites/whatevers, or Islam - and the Inquisition will have your head on a platter, you will have to apologize formally and your job is either gone or seriously at risk..

Of course!! I didn't realize those most victimized and discriminated against were white, straight Christian people. I guess I need to watch more Bill O'Reilly and Tucker Carlson.
   43. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: May 18, 2017 at 08:13 PM (#5459006)
We have an OTP thread, fellas.
   44. smileyy Posted: May 18, 2017 at 08:27 PM (#5459023)
+1 for QUILTBAG
   45. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: May 18, 2017 at 08:30 PM (#5459028)
We have an OTP thread, fellas.

Well, in fairness, this was pretty likely where this thread was going from the start.
   46. Jeff Francoeur's OPS Posted: May 18, 2017 at 08:36 PM (#5459032)
If we're going to suspend Pillar for offending the gay community, should we also suspend every player who yells a string of colorful expletives in front of a family?
   47. Omineca Greg Posted: May 18, 2017 at 08:53 PM (#5459038)
QUILTBAG is so 2016. It left out "pansexual". The most up to date one is QUILTBAGPIPE.

Q is for Queer/Questioning
U is for Undecided
I is for Intersexed
L is for Lesbian
T is for Trans
B is for Bisexual
A is for Asexual
G is for Gay/genderqueer
P is for Pansexual
I is for Intersexed (again)
P is for Pansexual (again) because we forgot them the first time
E is for Everyone, because it's good to be inclusive.
   48. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: May 18, 2017 at 09:19 PM (#5459055)
a few things:
1, does anyone else find it less than reassuring that neo nazi's have suddenly become proponents of free speech? i get why the ACLU is on their side, but the definition of a bad faith argument is neo-nazis preaching tolerance for differing ideas.

2, i take pillar's appleogee at face value and in good faith. whatever punishment came down (it turned out to be a team mandated 2 game suspension) is best viewed as an idiot tax.

   49. PreservedFish Posted: May 18, 2017 at 09:38 PM (#5459066)
APPLEOGEE
   50. The Duke Posted: May 18, 2017 at 11:00 PM (#5459093)
I was at the game and the key lesson I learned was that the braves bullpen was completely winded after running in from CF for the five minute scrum and then having to turn around and go back. Those guys need to do more running - it was funny how Slow they all were coming back. Good strategy for opposing teams would be to start a couple brawls in the 6th and 7th to wear out the braves pen
   51. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: May 18, 2017 at 11:31 PM (#5459099)
I'm old enough to remember when MLB suspended a guy for saying something nice about a communist.
Selig was good at first, but then he went too far.
   52. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: May 18, 2017 at 11:33 PM (#5459101)
And then there's Steve Clevenger.
   53. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: May 18, 2017 at 11:35 PM (#5459102)
Funny. I'd much rather you insult my race, religion, or ethnicity, than my mother.
Funny, you usually seem pretty touchy about your religion.
   54. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: May 18, 2017 at 11:39 PM (#5459104)
1, does anyone else find it less than reassuring that neo nazi's have suddenly become proponents of free speech?
No; it's very reassuring. People with power don't need to talk about "free speech." (If you have power, your speech isn't threatened.). It's those without power who need to rely on it. So if neo-Nazis are talking about it, it's because they're so weak.
   55. Cargo Cultist Posted: May 18, 2017 at 11:57 PM (#5459109)
I didn't realize those most victimized and discriminated against were white, straight Christian people.


What the Hell do either of those things have to do with insulting groups of people? If you can insult any one group of people without consequences, then you can insult any other group of people without consequences. If you can't insult one group of people without consequences then no one can insult any group of people without consequences. As they say, sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander. Anything else is just flat-out discrimination.

This suspension is just another example of Politically Correct oppression. A small fraction of the country engages in deviant sex acts; many in the great majority don't disapprove of this, some of them because it written to do so in their holy book (and if you're thinking Bible and Christians here, remember that Moslems routinely hang homosexuals, set them on fire, and throw them off of buildings). But the Politically Correct have decreed that no one is allowed to dislike the deviants publicly, or even speak words that refer to them in unapproved ways even when not actually addressed to a deviant lest they be severely punished and their livelihoods threatened.

This is oppression, plain and simple.
   56. Cargo Cultist Posted: May 19, 2017 at 12:03 AM (#5459110)
I'm old enough to remember when MLB suspended a guy for saying something nice about a communist.


I'm old enough to remember when the MLB railroaded a German-American female owner out of baseball for saying something that every ethnic German I ever spoke to on the subject agreed with...including my own grandmother.

"The principle that citizens may be punished for 'erroneous speech' is a short road to hell. The idea that we should punish people for expressing erroneous ideas is a million times more dangerous than the idea that Adolf Hitler was good in the beginning." - Bill James
   57. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: May 19, 2017 at 12:03 AM (#5459111)
re: 55: Should've stopped after that first paragraph.
   58. caspian88 Posted: May 19, 2017 at 12:27 AM (#5459119)
Blatantly bigoted people don't get to complain about other people complaining about their bigotry.
   59. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: May 19, 2017 at 01:36 AM (#5459124)
58--Who gets to decide whether a person is "blatantly bigoted" rather than just "subtly bigoted"? Whoever it is, I'll bet dollars to donuts they have a subscription to The Atlantic.
   60. DJS, the Digital Dandy Posted: May 19, 2017 at 02:47 AM (#5459128)
58--Who gets to decide whether a person is "blatantly bigoted" rather than just "subtly bigoted"? Whoever it is, I'll bet dollars to donuts they have a subscription to The Atlantic.

Might be a Salon writer.
   61. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: May 19, 2017 at 05:32 AM (#5459134)
The big question from this: does Pillar know something about Motte that the rest of us don't?
   62. dog poop god Posted: May 19, 2017 at 08:25 AM (#5459158)
I'll bet dollars to donuts they have a subscription to The Atlantic.

My family's slave
   63. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 19, 2017 at 08:56 AM (#5459169)
Funny, you usually seem pretty touchy about your religion.

It doesn't actually bother me. I'm just not going to let you, or anyone else, get away with casual anti-Christian bigotry without at least calling you on it.

If those sort of remarks were directed at a different religion, they'd cause a ####-storm of condemnations. I'm going to at least note they happen.
   64. Famous Original Joe C Posted: May 19, 2017 at 10:02 AM (#5459200)
Use the wrong word, get the Spanish Inquisition. Just stick to the standard twelve-letter special to avoid persecution for ThoughtCrimes.

I'm old enough to remember when the MLB railroaded a German-American female owner out of baseball for saying something that every ethnic German I ever spoke to on the subject agreed with...including my own grandmother.


#### off already.
   65. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: May 19, 2017 at 10:23 AM (#5459211)
Cargo Cultist's grandmother being a Nazi does explain an awful lot, come to think of it.
   66. dog poop god Posted: May 19, 2017 at 10:27 AM (#5459214)
Use the wrong word, get the Spanish Inquisition.

What if Pillar had been Dominican?
   67. Rusty Priske Posted: May 19, 2017 at 10:59 AM (#5459244)
Hey Cultist, since you have problems with the subject...

The people in power cannot be oppressed.
   68. manchestermets Posted: May 19, 2017 at 11:02 AM (#5459246)
Cargo Cultist's grandmother being a Nazi does explain an awful lot, come to think of it.


It doesn't explain his father being the greatest civil rights campaigner of them all. I suppose this could be his maternal grandmother, but the atmosphere at the wedding must have been frosty to say the least.
   69. dog poop god Posted: May 19, 2017 at 11:49 AM (#5459287)
The people in power cannot be oppressed.


The problem is that great abstract 'people'. And the story linked in #62 suggests things are never as simple as that.

QUILTBAG > GUILTBAG
   70. simon bedford Posted: May 19, 2017 at 12:43 PM (#5459345)
We get to relive this fun thread next season when the jays dump Pillar first chance they get , this kind of behavior just wont play up here.
   71. Greg K Posted: May 19, 2017 at 01:11 PM (#5459376)
We get to relive this fun thread next season when the jays dump Pillar first chance they get , this kind of behavior just wont play up here.

That would be trading when his value is high!

But Pillar is one of the more beloved Jays. Especially if he keeps being their best (only good) hitter he will be forgiven.
   72. Rally Posted: May 19, 2017 at 01:17 PM (#5459383)
What if Pillar had been Dominican?


Or Cuban - like Yunel Escobar
   73. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 19, 2017 at 01:25 PM (#5459392)
I'm old enough to remember when MLB suspended a guy for saying something nice about a communist.

You must be older than I am. When in the hell was that?
   74. dog poop god Posted: May 19, 2017 at 01:33 PM (#5459402)
O Canada! I had forgotten about that.
   75. RJ in TO Posted: May 19, 2017 at 01:34 PM (#5459403)
We get to relive this fun thread next season when the jays dump Pillar first chance they get , this kind of behavior just wont play up here.
He's not going to be traded.
   76. Styles P. Deadball Posted: May 19, 2017 at 01:52 PM (#5459420)
You must be older than I am. When in the hell was that?


I think he's referring to Ozzie Guillen openly admiring Fidel Castro's cajones while mananaging in Miami.
   77. Greg K Posted: May 19, 2017 at 02:46 PM (#5459469)
What's Ozzie Guillen up to these days?

He certainly doesn't have a managerial style that would be conducive to teams giving him multiple chances, and his flame out with the Marlins was pretty bad.

I suppose the above already answers this question, but his career record doesn't look too bad, is it odd that he hasn't been given another shot?
   78. simon bedford Posted: May 19, 2017 at 02:48 PM (#5459470)
Pillar will be moved out, you do not understand this city or the teams relation with its fans if you think they will let this pass. They will not. You can check back with me next spring when he is gone.
   79. Greg K Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:07 PM (#5459482)
I can maybe imagine a scenario in which Pillar gets traded. If he keeps hitting like this, and a team offers a package that treats him as a cost-controlled all-star.

But if he is traded I would assume it would be a case of the Jays being blown away by an offer rather than them shopping him.
   80. Greg K Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:09 PM (#5459489)
In other Jays roster news, Anthony Alford called up today.

Dwight Smith Jr. and Alford should make the outfield (aside from Pillar) a bit more watchable than it has been! I assume one of them goes down after Pillar serves his suspension today?
   81. simon bedford Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:26 PM (#5459514)
Greg K
You old enough to remember when tony fernandez was one of the best players on the team did something less publicly stupid than this and got dealt asap?
how about when they dumped velez and mayberry for behind the door reasons regardless of their popularity?
Boomer Wells? Tim Johnson? Hillenbrand?
The list is long and the reasons vary but the Jays upper management has always acted quite differently than American counterparts because this is Toronto and Pillars comment simply will not play here.
You can imagine it how you like, he will not be a jay for much longer.
   82. Greg K Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:43 PM (#5459545)
Well I think upper management (not to mention ownership) has changed over the years, so I'm not sure how closely we can draw a pattern.

I'd say we can make it friendly and wager Opening Day tickets on whether Pillar is on the roster next April! But I'm usually not in Toronto until later in the summer...

We ought to have a BTF Jays game outing anyway.
   83. simon bedford Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:51 PM (#5459558)
Agreed and if Pillar is still a jay next may, I am buying! Remember this is the city where BLM got the cops tossed out of the pride parade, Pillar is a pr headache now nobody wants moving forward.
   84. PeteF3 Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:59 PM (#5459568)
I think he's referring to Ozzie Guillen openly admiring Fidel Castro's cajones while mananaging in Miami.


Just for the record, that suspension came from the Marlins, not MLB.
   85. winnipegwhip Posted: May 20, 2017 at 01:53 AM (#5459946)
Mickey Mantles cherished memory

How many games would The Mick get in todays world?
   86. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: May 20, 2017 at 05:36 AM (#5459959)
People like Mickey Mantle and Kirby Puckett would have been seen very differently if they played in today's game. That said, a player with Mantle's talent would be given plenty of chances and he'd probably have been better behaved. Not getting punished enables continued bad behavior.
   87. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: May 20, 2017 at 08:52 AM (#5459967)
How many games would The Mick get in todays world?


I don't know, but Kevin Pillar might have a thing or two to say about him. But I can't blame the Yankees' pen; they didn't have nearly as much to do with starters going so much longer in games.

   88. dog poop god Posted: May 20, 2017 at 10:53 AM (#5459985)
That said, a player with Mantle's talent would be given plenty of chances and he'd probably have been better behaved. Not getting punished enables continued bad behavior.


Consenting adults aren't schoolkids.
   89. simon bedford Posted: May 20, 2017 at 12:35 PM (#5460011)
Mantle would have been banned for at least 50 games if he brought his habits with him to todays game.
   90. Darren Posted: May 20, 2017 at 01:19 PM (#5460024)
Sounds like a terrible apology to me.

It was immature, it was stupid, it was uncalled for,


So far, so good.

It’s part of the game, it’s just, I’m a competitive guy and heat of the moment.


Excuse, excuse, excuse. This is all normal. No big deal--screaming hateful things in a public place is just normal.

Obviously I’m going to do whatever I’ve got to do to reach out and apologize and let him know he didn’t do anything wrong, it was all me.


Sounds like the (non)apology here is all about whether he was mean to the pitcher.
   91. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: May 20, 2017 at 02:20 PM (#5460048)
Excuse, excuse, excuse.


No. He's saying that what Motte did is part of the game and doesn't justify the way he (Pillar) reacted.

Sounds like the (non)apology here is all about whether he was mean to the pitcher.


No again. He's just saying that he is also going to apologize to Motte personally.
   92. Darren Posted: May 20, 2017 at 02:22 PM (#5460050)
You're right, I'm wrong. The image of his other apology hadn't shown up either. Mea culpa.
   93. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: May 20, 2017 at 02:35 PM (#5460052)
Wait. Is that a non-apology apology?

Actually, maybe it should be. You don't owe me an apology after all.
   94. Darren Posted: May 20, 2017 at 04:52 PM (#5460085)
I slurred him by saying he slurred without properly acknowledging the slur. And my apology didn't really note that specifically so it's a bad job by me. I apologize.
   95. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: May 20, 2017 at 07:44 PM (#5460173)
Mickey Mantles cherished memory
Wait, the Yankees' bullpen gave him a blowjob?
   96. Ray (RDP) Posted: May 20, 2017 at 10:30 PM (#5460269)
On Thursday, Pillar issued an apology on his Twitter account. “Last night, following my at-bat in the 7th inning, I used inappropriate language towards Braves pitcher Jason Motte,” he wrote. “By doing so I had just helped extend the use of a word that has no place in baseball, in sports or anywhere in society today. I’m completely and utterly embarrassed and feel horrible to have put the fans, my teammates and the Blue Jays organization in this position. I have apologized personally to Jason Motte, but also need to apologize to the Braves organization and their fans, and most importantly, to the LGBTQ community for the lack of respect I displayed last night.

This is not who I am and will use this as an opportunity to better myself.”


He should have just said he was joking. That seems to be the going excuse accepted by the left for a hateful homophobic attack getting a pass.
   97. Hysterical & Useless Posted: May 21, 2017 at 01:24 AM (#5460348)
He should have just said he was joking. That seems to be the going excuse accepted by the left for a hateful homophobic attack getting a pass.


I don't follow the news closely enough to know who/what this refers to.

I thought that The Left was humorless? Ah well, as my grandfather said, what's the good of being ignorant if you can't show it?

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