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MLB roundup: 7 Rays pitchers shut out Marlins 1-0

Anthony Bemboom, a 29-year-old rookie catcher, recorded his first major league hit and RBI on the same play, leading the Tampa Bay Rays to a 1-0 win over the host Miami Marlins on Wednesday night.

Bemboom drove a run-scoring double to right field in the second inning, and the Rays used seven pitchers to keep the Marlins off the scoreboard. Reliever Jalen Beeks (3-0) earned the win, pitching three innings. Diego Castillo worked the ninth for his fifth save.

The Rays swept the two-game series against their in-state rival. Miami has lost seven games in a row and scored just eight runs during that stretch. The Marlins have not scored since the third inning Saturday — a drought of 24 innings.

Jose Urena (1-6) took the hard-luck loss despite making a quality start for the fifth time in his past six outings. He allowed six hits, one walk and one run in six innings. He has lasted at least six innings in six straight starts.

Wait- it takes seven pitchers to shut out the Marlins? It doesn’t seem like it should be that hard….

 

QLE Posted: May 16, 2019 at 03:39 AM | 34 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: May 16, 2019 at 07:36 AM (#5842649)
At the moment, these Marlins have the worst OPS+ put up by a team since full overhand pitching became legal.

Rk   Year  Tm Lg Wtm Ltm  R/G   G   PA OPS+
1    1873 MAR NA   0   6 4.33   6  211    5
2    1872 NAT NA   0  11 7.27  11  452   27
3    1875 WES NA   1  12 3.46  13  450   37
4    1884 WIL UA   2  16 1.94  18  543   46
5    1875 WAS NA   5  23 3.82  28 1010   47
6    1875 BRA NA   2  42 3.00  44 1570   55
7    1875 SLR NA   4  15 3.16  19  700   60
8    1873 RES NA   2  21 4.26  23  878   60
9    1871 KEK NA   7  12 7.21  19  779   61
10   1872 BRA NA   9  28 6.41  37 1476   65
11   2019 MIA NL  10  31 2.56  41 1496   66
12   1886 BAL AA  48  83 4.50 139 5054   68
13   1879 CLV NL  27  55 3.93  82 3024   68
14   1876 NYU NL  21  35 4.56  57 2198   68
15   1874 BRA NA  22  33 5.38  56 2200   69
16   1920 PHA AL  48 106 3.58 156 5843   70 


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Generated 5/16/2019.
   2. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 16, 2019 at 08:37 AM (#5842656)
I always thought the 1981 Blue Jays, abetted by a shortened season, were the modern apotheosis of bad offense. But they managed a relatively robust 74 OPS+.
   3. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 16, 2019 at 08:57 AM (#5842659)
Neil Walker is the only player with an OPS+ >96, no PA limit.
   4. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: May 16, 2019 at 09:32 AM (#5842668)
Rk Year Tm Lg Wtm Ltm R/G G PA OPS+
1 1873 MAR NA 0 6 4.33 6 211 5
2 1872 NAT NA 0 11 7.27 11 452 27

Those NA games must have been a hoot to watch.
   5. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 16, 2019 at 09:47 AM (#5842672)
Those NA games must have been a hoot to watch.

Lots of errors.
   6. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: May 16, 2019 at 09:50 AM (#5842674)
That's what I meant. The first team on that list allowed 25 runs per game.
   7. bobm Posted: May 16, 2019 at 09:56 AM (#5842678)
From 1908 to 2019, (requiring tgl_stats.RA=0), sorted by greatest pitchers

                                                                                                           
Rk         Date  Tm Opp  Rslt   IP  H BB SO IR BF AB 2B 3B IBB HBP SH GDP SB CS PO BK WP # Attendance GmLen
1    2016-09-17 CLE DET W 1-0 10.0  4  3 10  1 36 32  1  0   1   1  0   2  1  0  0  0  0 9      26654   233
                                                                                                           
2    2018-09-11 LAA TEX W 1-0  9.0  2  3  7  3 32 29  0  0   0   0  0   0  1  0  0  0  0 8      33756   165
3    2015-05-03 LAD ARI W 1-0 13.0  9  1 13  2 44 43  1  0   1   0  0   3  0  1  0  0  0 8      48136   242
4    2014-08-30 LAA OAK W 2-0  9.0  3  2 11  3 31 29  0  0   1   0  0   1  2  0  0  0  0 8      44018   166
5    2012-10-03 ATL PIT W 4-0  9.0  4  0 11  0 30 30  0  0   0   0  0   0  0  0  1  0  0 8      20615   165
6    2010-10-02 TBR KCR W 4-0  9.0  8  2  7  4 35 32  2  0   0   1  0   2  0  0  0  0  0 8      32484   172
7    1999-10-03 BOS BAL W 1-0 10.0  6  2 12  0 38 34  1  0   0   2  0   0  2  2  0  0  0 8      47567   184
                                                                                                           
8    2019-05-15 TBR MIA W 1-0  9.0  7  4 12  0 38 34  3  0   0   0  0   0  0  0  0  1  0 7       5947   186
9    2018-09-29 NYM MIA W 1-0 13.0  5  3 13  0 45 40  1  0   0   1  1   1  0  2  0  0  0 7      43928   254
10   2018-09-19 SEA HOU W 9-0  9.0  5  3  3  0 33 30  0  0   0   0  0   2  0  0  0  0  0 7      31229   167
11   2018-09-04 TBR TOR W 4-0  9.0  3  2 10  3 32 28  1  0   0   1  1   0  0  1  0  0  0 7      17594   158
12   2017-06-11 TOR SEA W 4-0  9.0  9  2 12  4 38 36  2  0   0   0  0   0  1  0  0  0  0 7      41137   181
13   2017-04-30 ARI COL W 2-0 13.0  5  4 17  1 48 44  1  0   0   0  0   1  0  0  0  0  0 7      23613   242
14   2017-04-20 TEX KCR W 1-0 13.0  4  5 14  1 46 41  1  0   0   0  0   0  2  1  1  0  0 7      26898   227
15   2016-09-02 MIL PIT W 1-0  9.0  7  4  5  2 35 31  2  0   0   0  0   0  0  2  1  0  0 7      21772   181
16   2015-10-04 NYM WSN W 1-0  9.0  2  2 14  1 31 29  1  0   0   0  0   0  1  0  0  0  0 7      41631   154
17   2015-09-26 BOS BAL W 8-0  9.0  5  5  4  4 36 31  1  0   0   0  0   1  0  0  0  0  0 7      36316   176
18   2015-09-19 NYY NYM W 5-0  9.0  6  2 12  4 34 32  0  0   0   0  0   0  0  1  0  0  0 7      43630   191
19   2015-09-13 BOS TBR W 2-0 13.0  3  4 14  1 47 41  1  0   1   2  0   1  0  0  0  0  0 7      15402   245
20   2015-06-12 PIT PHI W 1-0 13.0 11  3  7  0 52 47  1  0   1   1  1   1  0  1  0  0  1 7      33749   274
21   2015-04-09 SFG SDP W 1-0 12.0  7  5  7  4 46 41  1  0   1   0  0   4  0  0  0  0  1 7      45159   245
22   2014-09-20 MIL PIT W 1-0  9.0  6  4  6  6 37 31  2  0   2   2  0   0  1  2  0  0  1 7      39027   212
23   2014-07-31 LAA BAL W 1-0 13.0  5  5 16  1 48 42  0  0   0   0  1   0  0  0  0  0  0 7      24974   273
24   2014-07-04 OAK TOR W 1-0 12.0  9  2  7  0 46 43  1  0   1   0  1   2  2  0  0  0  0 7      22322   245
25   2010-09-06 SFG ARI W 2-0 11.0  5  4 14  5 42 38  1  0   0   0  0   0  0  0  0  0  0 7      31879   182
26   2004-09-18 TEX ANA W 2-0  9.0  6  5 12  4 38 33  0  0   0   0  0   0  1  0  0  0  0 7      41233   190
27   2001-05-29 ARI SFG W 1-0 18.0  9 10  9  4 69 57  4  0   5   1  1   1  0  1  0  0  0 7      39709   353
28   1997-05-16 ATL STL W 1-0 13.0 11  3 18  4 52 49  2  0   1   0  0   0  3  1  0  0  0 7      46626   249
29   1966-09-15 KCA CLE W 1-0 11.0 10  8  7  7 49 41  2  0   0   0  0   2  0  0  0  0  0 7       3786   195


Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 5/16/2019.
   8. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 16, 2019 at 09:57 AM (#5842679)
It's kind of offensive that people consider the NA to be a major league. The Baltimore Marylands played six games in their entire history, lost all six, and were outscored by an average of 25 to 4. They would be obliterated by an average high school team of today.

Still, people think that because of his performance against teams like that, Ross Barnes should be in the Hall of Fame.
   9. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: May 16, 2019 at 10:02 AM (#5842684)
2.56 r/g. right now, lowest since 1920. 2nd lowest since 1901.
   10. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: May 16, 2019 at 10:11 AM (#5842692)
The Marlins are on pace to lose 122 games and have an attendance of about 750,000. I'll take the under on both. There is literally one person on the team worth watching, and he only plays every 5 game.
   11. Davo (Love Won The Battle Of Stalingrad) Posted: May 16, 2019 at 10:41 AM (#5842712)
10- I honestly don’t know who you’re talking about.

The one guy on their team *I* care about is this guy, because he went to the same college as me! (He’s so far the only alum to ever make it to the Majors. (Their baseball team is a Division 2 NAIA squad!)
   12. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: May 16, 2019 at 10:44 AM (#5842715)
He's not exactly Jose Fernandez but Caleb Smith is now 3-1 with an ERA of 2.25.

Only one other Marlins pitcher has 2 wins.
   13. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: May 16, 2019 at 10:47 AM (#5842717)
Neil Walker is now the only Marlins hitter with OPS+ over 100. Jorge Alfaro was doing well for a while but is 3 for 31 in the last two weeks. Nobody but those two is over 82.

They are 2-10 in the month of May. The 2 wins are the only times they scored over 2 runs.
   14. Itchy Row Posted: May 16, 2019 at 10:53 AM (#5842727)
The Marlins starters other than Caleb Smith are 4-20. They haven't had to use a sixth starter yet this year, so they're sticking with whatever these guys are.
   15. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: May 16, 2019 at 11:19 AM (#5842762)
On the little photo roll of top 12 players by WAR on the top of the Marlins BBRef page, the guy on the far right, Harold Ramirez, has a 0.0 WAR. They can't even round up a dozen guys better than replacement level.

Austin Brice is apparently the only person born in Hong Kong to play in MLB. That's notable.
   16. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: May 16, 2019 at 11:46 AM (#5842783)
That's what I meant. The first team on that list allowed 25 runs per game.

The 1872 Nationals used one pitcher, Bill Stearns, in their 11 games. He allowed 68 earned runs and 122 unearned runs.

EDIT: My mistake.
   17. Davo (Love Won The Battle Of Stalingrad) Posted: May 16, 2019 at 04:08 PM (#5842864)
Thairo Estrada has hit more homers in May (2) than the Miami Marlins (1).
   18. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 16, 2019 at 04:35 PM (#5842880)
They can't even round up a dozen guys better than replacement level.
How long before "Marlins level" becomes a standard term for one standard deviation below replacement level?
   19. RJ in TO Posted: May 16, 2019 at 04:37 PM (#5842884)
I always thought the 1981 Blue Jays, abetted by a shortened season, were the modern apotheosis of bad offense. But they managed a relatively robust 74 OPS+.
That Jays team was kind of a perfect disaster with the bats, in that the older guys they had grabbed during expansion and immediately after were aging out of tolerability, and the younger guys they had drafted were brought up to the majors despite not yet being ready. There was a lot of talent there though, as most of the lineup for the roster that would win the AL East in 1985 made appearances that season - Lloyd Moseby, George Bell, Jesse Barfield, Damaso Garcia, Ernie Whitt, Willie Upshaw, and Garth Iorg all got reasonable amounts of playing time for the 1981 Jays.
   20. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: May 16, 2019 at 04:58 PM (#5842888)
I always figured he 1981 Cubs were historically bad, but they were merely 80. They had some decent enough hitters, 3 regulars above 120. But they had historically bad infielders. The guys who put up the bulk of the innings at 2B, SS, and 3B had OPS+ of 54, 44, 52, 70, 45, 28, 109, and 55.
   21. Walt Davis Posted: May 16, 2019 at 06:28 PM (#5842907)
Most importantly, Jeter's "we're better than this, etc." comments were published on May 3. They are 1-10 since then. Great leaders like Jeter really know how to light a fire under a team.

Doubly problematic is that guys they conceivably would have traded mid-season (Castro, Rojas, Prado, Romo, Chen and Walker) are, except for Walker, stinking it up.

I recall watching Tayron Guerrero sometime last year against the Cubs and thinking the (not really a) kid had nasty stuff. He struggled last year but is having a solid season this year. He is walking 7+ guys per 9 though ... should fit right into the Cubs' pen.

So at the moment, the Marlin players that other teams might actually _want_ (on the team or in their system) seems down to Alfaro, Caleb Smith and Alcantara (possibly at AAA). And some team might get desperate enough to gamble on picking up Walker for something non-ignorable.

We all knew they'd be bad, I didn't think they could be this bad. Maybe Castro, Rojas, Anderson can get their way back to cromulence and there's usually some 28-year-old at AAA who gets a chance and has a freak 2-3 months.

Marlins are under 9,400 per game ... next worst in the NL is Pitt at 15,700. Imagine what their Sept attendance is going to be like. I half expect them to ask MLB if they can sell their home games to their opponents (i.e. "hey Braves, how about we move that weekday series to your park?") ... or would that cut into their revenue sharing windfall.
   22. Cooper Nielson Posted: May 16, 2019 at 11:18 PM (#5842970)
A 1-0 game can be exciting and full of drama, but this one looks like it would've been an absolute bore. In addition to the anonymous rosters (on both sides, really, though some of the Rays' anonymous players are pretty good) there were four mid-inning pitching changes, leading to a game where pretty much nothing happened lasting more than 3 hours (3:06).
   23. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: May 17, 2019 at 03:59 AM (#5842985)
So at the moment, the Marlin players that other teams might actually _want_ (on the team or in their system) seems down to Alfaro, Caleb Smith and Alcantara (possibly at AAA).


Pablo Lopez has good stuff and a 3.81 FIP. I bet a lot of teams would be happy to have him.

   24. . Posted: May 17, 2019 at 09:09 AM (#5842995)
In addition to the anonymous rosters (on both sides, really, though some of the Rays' anonymous players are pretty good)


There have been few if any matchups in baseball history where there are so few players competing that one naturally associates with the teams in the matchup. Are there any? Snell, maybe?

The roster churn of these franchises is essentially unprecedented.(*) They both have a number of years now wherein they barely even let a player get to arb eligibility before he's churned and turned over for another anonymous guy.

Aesthetically unpleasing, yes -- but at least here there's a workaround which is basically ignoring these franchises.

(*) None of the other major sports have anything close to this, wherein a not-insignificant number of franchises can't really afford to carry accomplished veterans or even players with 3+ years of experience on their rosters.
   25. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: May 17, 2019 at 09:19 AM (#5843001)
There have been few if any matchups in baseball history where there are so few players competing that one naturally associates with the teams in the matchup. Are there any? Snell, maybe?


And Keirmeier. But yeah, that's about it.
   26. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: May 17, 2019 at 09:55 AM (#5843011)

And Keirmeier. But yeah, that's about it.


They also have one of the worst farm systems in baseball. It is incredible how badly things have gone in Miami.

Marlins are under 9,400 per game ... next worst in the NL is Pitt at 15,700. Imagine what their Sept attendance is going to be like. I half expect them to ask MLB if they can sell their home games to their opponents (i.e. "hey Braves, how about we move that weekday series to your park?") ... or would that cut into their revenue sharing windfall.

They only drew 811,000 fans last year. I figured it would be bad but that's only 51% of the attendance they had in 2017 (when they won 77 games).
   27. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: May 17, 2019 at 10:03 AM (#5843015)
Looking at the Rays, and their seemingly anonymous players, It's interesting where they came from. The rays, unlike the Marlins, actually are a small market team. And also unlike the marlins, they make trades based on baseball reasons as well as financial. Through a combination of smarts, hard work, and luck, they are able to put a competitive team on the field most years. Looking at some of their players:

Tyler Glasnow and Austin Meadows, came in a trade for Chris Archer, a player clearly associated with the franchise. This year, the former have produced 2.9 WAR WAR for the Rays, Archer -0.1. The rays in a baseball sense are clearly better off since the trade.

Their starting SS and starting catcher came from the David Price trade, another player who at the time was clearly associated with the team. the rays traded price to Detroit for Willy Adames and drew Smyly. Adames is 24 and has given the rays 2.8 WAR so far. Smyly gave the Rays 3.8 WAR before being traded to Seattle for Mallex Smith. Smith gave the rays 4.3 WAR before being traded back to Seattle for Mike Zunino. Zunino is at 0.8 WAR so far this year. The rays clearly would have lost Price as a FA and then gotten a supplemental draft pick. Instead, they got 11.7 WAR, and have a starting SS and C.

They picked up Tommy Pham for what appears to be minor league roster filler. Pham has given them 3 WAR in about a half a season so far.

They got nothing for Longoria, and that's a shame on several levels. But he also looks to be cooked. I hope not, but he's been less than impressive for the Giants.

They let Alex Cobb go to FA, and that appears to be a good thing. Their supplemental pick is probably more valuable than Cobb at this point.

Compare that to the Marlins who traded away what could have been an historic outfield for nothing more than salary relief.
   28. bunyon Posted: May 17, 2019 at 10:08 AM (#5843017)
None of the other major sports have anything close to this, wherein a not-insignificant number of franchises can't really afford to carry accomplished veterans or even players with 3+ years of experience on their rosters.

They can afford it. They choose (and have many incentives) not to.

They got nothing for Longoria,

Except a really nice career. I get your point, but having a guy come up and have productive long run is the goal.

   29. . Posted: May 17, 2019 at 10:10 AM (#5843019)
They can afford it. They choose (and have many incentives) not to.


This, again? Some teams are clearly spending less than they can afford, to make more money. The Marlins and the Rays are not two of those teams. (Which isn't to say the Marlins couldn't have afforded to keep Stanton and Yelich -- they could have.)
   30. bunyon Posted: May 17, 2019 at 10:40 AM (#5843043)
I have no problem with the Rays. That's the first-place Rays, I mean.

And your parenthetical is the point. The Marlins could have kept Stanton and Yelich. Might they help a team? Also, they play in Miami which is a huge market. If they can't take advantage, that isn't a structural MLB problem, it's the Marlins being bad at being a MLB team.
   31. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 17, 2019 at 10:52 AM (#5843055)
And your parenthetical is the point. The Marlins could have kept Stanton and Yelich. Might they help a team? Also, they play in Miami which is a huge market. If they can't take advantage, that isn't a structural MLB problem, it's the Marlins being bad at being a MLB team.

100% agree.
   32. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 17, 2019 at 11:15 AM (#5843072)
There have been few if any matchups in baseball history where there are so few players competing that one naturally associates with the teams in the matchup. Are there any? Snell, maybe?

Last Sunday's Rays-Yankees game wasn't much better. The only Yankees with casual fan name recognition as Yankees on opening day last year would have been Tanaka and Gardner, and Gardner was a late inning defensive replacement. Even Andujar was a virtual unknown at the start of 2018. The other position players in the starting lineup were either semi-obscure backups (Romine), in the minors at the start of 2019 (Frazier), with another team for most of 2018 (Voit), or with other teams prior to this year (LeMahieu, Urshela, Maybin, Estrada and Tachman). Even in the late 60's or early 90's no Yankees team ever fielded such a collection of no-names.
   33. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: May 17, 2019 at 11:52 AM (#5843084)
I don't know, this lineup looks pretty bad. (one of Steve Sax's few days off)

Complete with the Luke Voit of his era, Kevin Maas.
   34. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: May 17, 2019 at 02:16 PM (#5843157)
... wherein a not-insignificant number of franchises can't really afford choose not to carry accomplished veterans ...

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