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Tuesday, April 30, 2019

MLB roundup: Twins’ Odorizzi outduels Astros’ Verlander

Ehire Adrianza homered, and Jake Odorizzi pitched seven shutout innings to outduel Justin Verlander as the Minnesota Twins edged the Houston Astros 1-0 on Monday night in Minneapolis.

It was the third consecutive win for Odorizzi (3-2), including two in a row over the Astros. He allowed four singles and a walk while striking out seven.

Taylor Rogers pitched a scoreless eighth, and Blake Parker erased a leadoff single to Carlos Correa to start the ninth by inducing Yuli Gurriel to hit into a double play. Parker then got Josh Reddick to ground out to end the game for his sixth save.

Verlander (4-1), who lost for just the third time in his past 21 starts (14-3) against Minnesota, gave up two hits, two walks and a run over six innings before departing after throwing 100 pitches, 66 of which were strikes. He struck out seven.

So, how will they duel next?

 

QLE Posted: April 30, 2019 at 04:06 AM | 15 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: jake odorizzi, justin verlander

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   1. Brian Posted: April 30, 2019 at 10:43 AM (#5836690)
The pitch before the HR should have been strike 3 but the third base ump ruled he checked his swing. Replay showed, as it does 95% of the time if there is any question, that Adrianza had indeed swung.
   2. bfan Posted: April 30, 2019 at 12:12 PM (#5836739)
So, how will they duel next?


when an AL play-off contender trades for him at the trade deadline for the express purposes of pitching in the post-season against the Astros.
   3. jmurph Posted: April 30, 2019 at 12:26 PM (#5836745)
should have been strike 3 but the third base ump ruled he checked his swing. Replay showed, as it does 95% of the time if there is any question

I actually go the other way on this. As far as I can tell, there is no official definition of a checked swing. Also no definition of a swing, weirdly enough. But if we can infer that a swing is roughly defined as an attempt to hit the ball, a check swing should almost never be called a strike.
   4. Brian Posted: April 30, 2019 at 07:27 PM (#5836911)
Gotta go through the MLB rule book but in the meantime: The NCAA rulebook indicates that a checked swing shall be called a strike “if the barrel head of the bat crosses the front edge of home plate or the batter's front hip.”
   5. SoSH U at work Posted: April 30, 2019 at 07:31 PM (#5836912)
Gotta go through the MLB rule book but in the meantime: T


Don't bother. jmurph is correct. The checked swing is not defined, and no clear definition for the swing itself is in the MLB rulebook.

   6. Brian Posted: April 30, 2019 at 07:31 PM (#5836913)
Yep Murph, there is no official definition in the MLB rule book but the umps usually go with something like the NCAA version or a"breaking" of the wrists kind of thing.
   7. Best Dressed Chicken in Town Posted: April 30, 2019 at 11:45 PM (#5837028)
They judge it based on whether they think the bat goes past perpendicular to the body.
   8. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: May 01, 2019 at 12:25 AM (#5837032)
As a kid playing ball it was either the "breaking" of the wrist or bat over front edge of plate. Neither of which is clearly defined as your position in the box can make difference in the latter interpretation. I like that it's not clearly defined. I don't need a specific rule for every tiny movement in a game. Oh, and I loathe replay, so there is that.
   9. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: May 01, 2019 at 01:08 AM (#5837038)
A swing is defined as "an attempt to strike at the ball," which pretty much means a checked swing shouldn't be called a strike.
   10. Walt Davis Posted: May 01, 2019 at 01:50 AM (#5837041)
1. Or one could decide that all swings, checked or not, are an attempt to strike at the ball. Certainly the intent was to strike the ball, the bat's movement began as an attempt to strike at the ball ... then the batter realized he had no hope of striking the ball and tried to stop it (not that anybody ever taught this to Javy Baez). So if the intent was to strike at the ball and the bat moved attempting to strike at the ball, why should there be a magical point at which the swing stopped being an attempt to strike at the ball?

2. The purpose of the NCAA and unwritten MLB rule is to define such a magical point -- it defines a "clear" attempt to strike at the ball as a swing that passes a certain point. The definition can also be viewed as saying "if the bat travels through the hitting zone." At some point, a swing becomes a swing and obviously many swings don't make contact so either swings become swings at conception or the Supreme Court has to decide at what point a developing swing becomes a swing.

2a. Even if you don't like the 2/3 of a swing = a full swing rule, you've got to define a full swing. When the head of the bat passes the pitching rubber? (Leaving it up to the 2B umpire)

3. About the only other "workable" definition would be something like "if the bat's forward motion is stopped prior to the ball reaching the plate, it is not a swing" ... good luck judging that in real time.

4. Let's not forget that once the ball hits the bat, it's a "swing" whether the batter swung or not. Metaphysically speaking, if a batter can swing without swinging, clearly he can swing by kinda swinging.

Neither of which is clearly defined as your position in the box can make difference in the latter interpretation.

The NCAA rule would seem to solve this with "or the batter's front hip."

   11. jmurph Posted: May 01, 2019 at 09:58 AM (#5837085)
Or one could decide that all swings, checked or not, are an attempt to strike at the ball. Certainly the intent was to strike the ball, the bat's movement began as an attempt to strike at the ball ... then the batter realized he had no hope of striking the ball and tried to stop it (not that anybody ever taught this to Javy Baez). So if the intent was to strike at the ball and the bat moved attempting to strike at the ball, why should there be a magical point at which the swing stopped being an attempt to strike at the ball?

Because he stopped swinging. This has been a pet peeve of mine forever- or since I first learned there is no actual definition of a checked swing, and umpires have just made it up. Which probably wasn't that long ago.

They should probably just codify it, I wouldn't have a problem with the breaking the plane rule. I just think it's really odd that, currently, players who are very clearly not intending to swing (I mean, by definition, they're stopping their swing, they are therefore objectively not attempting to strike the ball), get rung up because a guy 100ish feet away says they crossed a magical line that umpires made up decades ago and isn't in the rule book.
   12. SoSH U at work Posted: May 01, 2019 at 10:03 AM (#5837091)
I've never really had a strong feeling one way or another on checked swings. The only one that bothered me was when Giancarlo Stanton got blasted in the face and a strike was called. In that case, he most obviously wasn't doing the one vague definition of a swing - he wasn't trying to strike at the ball.

I was a little less bothered by the strikeout of Trevor Story last week.



   13. jmurph Posted: May 01, 2019 at 10:38 AM (#5837119)
The only one that bothered me was when Giancarlo Stanton got blasted in the face and a strike was called. In that case, he most obviously wasn't doing the one vague definition of a swing - he wasn't trying to strike at the ball.

Yeah it's not at all frequent, but you occasionally get a guy twisting away from an inside pitch who somehow is ruled to swing because the bat came around with his body. That's dumb.

   14. PreservedFish Posted: May 01, 2019 at 10:48 AM (#5837126)
When I was in little league if a ball was headed toward my upper body I would involuntarily swing the bat at it, defensively. Got several strikes called against me because of this. Solved it by having my father throw wiffle balls at my head for an hour.
   15. BillWallace Posted: May 01, 2019 at 05:58 PM (#5837380)
It's always seemed madness to me that a half-swing in which the bat easily would have made contact with the ball, if only it were in the right place, can get called a ball.
You're essentially being saved from your own mistake of putting the bat through the strike zone at a bad pitch simply because you were too incompetent to actually strike the ball.

Given there is no official rule, if I were umpire of every game it would be a strike every single time the bat fully entered the strike zone.
Or to put it another way, let's say the umpire is at 0 degrees and the pitcher is at 180 degrees. Typically they call a strike when the bat passes 90 degrees. I would call a strike starting at about 45.

Definitely my biggest baseball pet peeve.

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