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Friday, October 18, 2019

MLB rumors: Phillies narrow manager search to Dusty Baker, Joe Girardi, Buck Showalter

Only a week has passed since the Philadelphia Phillies fired manager Gabe Kapler after two so-so seasons, yet the organization is already closing in on naming a successor. According to Matt Breen of the Philadelphia Inquirer, the Phillies are down to three finalists: Dusty Baker, Joe Girardi, and Buck Showalter. The Phillies will interview all three again in the coming days, and could make a final decision on their choice as soon as next week.

The old rule of thumb is that teams tend to hire the opposite of whomever they just fired. That appears to be the guiding principle here. Whereas Kapler was a rookie manager with iconoclastic aspirations, the trio above are all known quantities who have combined to manage 51 seasons’ worth of regular-season games. Each has their pros and cons.

Baker, 70, would be the oldest manager in baseball. He’s known as a skilled interpersonal communicator who gets the most out of his players. Baker has a preexisting relationship with Bryce Harper, which is likely a plus, and is more open minded about new ideas than he receives credit for being. The downside with Baker is that despite his regular-season success—he has more 90-plus win efforts than sub-.500 seasons—he’s never enjoyed much postseason success, having mustered only one World Series appearance.

Who would you hire if you ran the Phillies?

QLE Posted: October 18, 2019 at 12:27 AM | 15 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: buck showalter, dusty baker, joe girardi, managerial search, phillies

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   1. Walt Davis Posted: October 18, 2019 at 01:18 AM (#5891511)
That's certainly zigging when others are zagging. Are the jobs of hot-seat GMs more or less secure by appointing a vet manager?
   2. My name is RMc and I feel extremely affected Posted: October 18, 2019 at 06:59 AM (#5891522)
Girardi is 55...and he's easily the youngest of the three.
   3. Zonk Was In The Loop and Followed POTUS Orders Posted: October 18, 2019 at 09:43 AM (#5891538)
I think these are all safe choices.... But honestly? A fairly veteran win-now team that has under-performed (at least per expectations)? I do think Dusty Baker is the best choice...

I have to admit, despite the problems I had with him a long time ago - I'd like to see him get another whack at winning a ring as a manager.

He's won divisions with 4 different teams... if that's not a record, I presume 5 would be if it worked out for him and Philly.
   4. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 18, 2019 at 09:58 AM (#5891545)
Wow, I never would have guessed that Buck Showalter is seven years younger than Baker. Buck was only 36 when he first managed the Yankees.
   5. SoSH U at work Posted: October 18, 2019 at 10:03 AM (#5891546)
He's won divisions with 4 different teams... if that's not a record, I presume 5 would be if it worked out for him and Philly.


Dick Williams and Billy Martin each won four, though Dusty (I believe) is the only manager to have four in 162-game seasons (both Dick and Billy won division titles by winning the Division Series in the split season format of 1981).

   6. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 18, 2019 at 10:13 AM (#5891554)
Davey Johnson has four too: 1986 and 1988 Mets, 1994 and 1995 Reds, 1997 Orioles, 2012 Nationals.
   7. Zonk Was In The Loop and Followed POTUS Orders Posted: October 18, 2019 at 10:15 AM (#5891557)
Forgot Williams - I did look up Martin, but my eyes missed his division win with the Tigers...

In any case, I'm all for bygones being bygones - and I hope Dusty gets a chance to make it 5. The lack of playoff success probably means he could use it for HOF resume purposes.
   8. Rally Posted: October 18, 2019 at 10:26 AM (#5891561)
Wow, I never would have guessed that Buck Showalter is seven years younger than Baker. Buck was only 36 when he first managed the Yankees.


Buck is a throwback to when teams hired managers in their 30s who looked like they were over 50. Earl Weaver and Sparky Anderson are good examples. It bucks the modern trend of hiring guys like Ausmus, Counsell, and Kapler.
   9. Itchy Row Posted: October 18, 2019 at 10:43 AM (#5891567)
I saw it as "Phillies narrow manager search to Dusty Baker, Joe Buck"

That would be a win for almost everybody.
   10. Bourbon Samurai stays in the fight Posted: October 18, 2019 at 11:09 AM (#5891574)
I was a big fan of Baker in DC. Obviously it didn't work out in the playoffs but that wasn't entirely his fault. Not having Gio Gonzalez start key games is the biggest factor in this team's clutchness
   11. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: October 18, 2019 at 12:23 PM (#5891624)
Dusty going to Philly would also make it 5 NL teams, with each move going progressively eastward. It would also mark his 7th decade as a MLB manager or player (he got cups of coffee in '68-'69). Which is kind of cool.
   12. DCA Posted: October 18, 2019 at 12:34 PM (#5891637)
Dusty going to Philly would also make it 5 NL teams, with each move going progressively eastward.

We can only hope he follows it up with a stint with the Mets after Beltran fails to improve on 2019. And wraps up his career with a season at the helm of an expansion Montreal team in 2026.
   13. Walt Davis Posted: October 19, 2019 at 03:13 PM (#5891930)
We can only hope he follows it up with a stint with the Mets after Beltran fails to improve on 2019. And wraps up his career with a season at the helm of an expansion Montreal team in 2026.

C'mon, not ambitious enough -- the expansion London Monarchs
   14. asinwreck Posted: October 19, 2019 at 04:20 PM (#5891955)


Buck is a throwback to when teams hired managers in their 30s who looked like they were over 50. Earl Weaver and Sparky Anderson are good examples. It bucks the modern trend of hiring guys like Ausmus, Counsell, and Kapler.

I have always believed that Sparky Anderson falsified his birth certificate by a quarter of a century. He never looked young and seemed frail for someone in his early sixties when he retired.
   15. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 22, 2019 at 05:47 PM (#5893016)

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