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Tuesday, June 05, 2012

MLB: Selig enjoying Draft’s growth into an event

On the clock…you are now on the clock. (hopefully)

The Commissioner instituted a system wanting the best talent to go first and wanted the Draft to not be about signability, so he was asked whether there was any concern about the slide of projected top overall pick Mark Appel of Stanford to No. 8, amid speculation that signability was an issue.

“Well, let’s see how it all plays out first,” Selig said. “It’s obviously very premature to draw a conclusion. The only thing I would say, that I’ve told the clubs over and over for years, when the Draft was instituted in 1965, it was meant to equalize things—level the playing field. It did for a long time, and then we began to have some things to indicate it wasn’t. I’m happy for this. It makes it more exciting. Mark Appel gets passed, but winds up going to the Pittsburgh Pirates, which I think is great.

“Let’s see how it works out. I am very optimistic that this will work out well, I think these were changes clearly helping the game.”

 

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   1. boteman digs the circuit clout Posted: June 05, 2012 at 06:45 AM (#4148654)
Gee, I can't decide whether to watch the scintillating draft TV show or sort my sock drawer. Choices, choices!
   2. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: June 05, 2012 at 08:05 AM (#4148678)
To each his own but I found it entertaining enough. I thought they could have done better but it held my interest.

I think the broadcast really cried out for Keith Law though. Jonathan Mayo just was much too passive. He needed to pipe up with his opinions much more aggressively. Hearing from people who have followed these players like him and like Jim Callis would have added a lot more than Harold Reynolds and John Hart. I also think part of it was he got gun shy when he spent his time before the first pick talking about Buxton or Appel and the Astros went with Correa.

The other issue that Law would have helped with was the fact that every pick was a good one. I don't remember who said it in the thread but someone made a comment that Harold gave it his lowest score yet, seven thumbs up. I don't need guys getting roasted, especially the players who in many cases are 17-18 year old kids, but a bit of perspective would be good.

One thing I liked is they didn't give every player a Hall of Fame comp. Many of the comps for players were fairly ordinary players like Rick Helling, Skip Schumaker, Juan Pierre. The five minutes between picks was just enough time for a little blurb on each player, general analysis and discussion and commercials when needed.
   3. BDC Posted: June 05, 2012 at 08:39 AM (#4148687)
the slide of projected top overall pick Mark Appel of Stanford to No. 8, amid speculation that signability was an issue

I got interested in what became of [url="http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100820&c>unsigned first-round picks</a>, so I did a little research:

1997: JD Drew: him we know about
1997: Tyrell Godwin: went to UNC-Chapel Hill as a Morehead Scholar, graduated in four years as an academic All-American, played football and baseball; third-round pick by Toronto in 2001, had a relatively long minor-league career and a cup of coffee with the Nats in 2005
2000: Matt Harrington: never signed, never played college or organized pro baseball, though he played several seasons for the Ft Worth Cats and other independent-league clubs. <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=090423/harrington"]Details here[/url]
2001: Jeremy Sowers: went to Vanderbilt for a few years and eventually had a journeyman's pitching career
2001: Alan Horne: went to junior college and then to U of Florida, had initial success in the minors and then many injuries, still pitching a little even last year in AA
2002: John Mayberry Jr: played three years at Stanford and then worked his way up through the minors, plays for the Phillies now
2004: Wade Townsend: finished his degree at Rice instead of signing, then had a brief minor-league pitching career before injuries shelved him; now apparently is a professional poker player (did we have a thread on him once)

More recent non-signers aren't as interesting because it's too early, IMO. With the exception of Drew, who didn't stay unsigned long, none of these players became stars, or even had much major-league success. The decisions that make most sense to me are Godwin and Townsend: both earned fine college degrees and got to play some pro ball anyway. It makes less sense to me that you'd spend three years at Vanderbilt or Stanford (Sowers, Mayberry) and then go pro without your degree: what's one more year of lost eligibility, compared to dropping out of a prestigious university?

   4. GregD Posted: June 05, 2012 at 08:44 AM (#4148690)
It makes less sense to me that you'd spend three years at Vanderbilt or Stanford (Sowers, Mayberry) and then go pro without your degree: what's one more year of lost eligibility, compared to dropping out of a prestigious university?
Isn't there a decent chance they got their final year's tuition written into their pro contract? I don't think that is that unusual.
   5. BDC Posted: June 05, 2012 at 08:57 AM (#4148691)
Isn't there a decent chance they got their final year's tuition written into their pro contract?

There is, but so many athletes in that situation never go back to finish a degree.

Mind you, I would say to any athlete drafted out of high school: take the several million now, and go back to college after your pro career. But that is my prejudice as a public-university teacher who works with lots of returning students. I'd be uneasy about saying "drop college midway." But possibly it just wasn't for them.

Note: Mayberry seems to have graduated from Stanford after turning pro, so that's good. I am less sure about Sowers.
   6. zonk Posted: June 05, 2012 at 09:56 AM (#4148713)
I think the broadcast really cried out for Keith Law though. Jonathan Mayo just was much too passive. He needed to pipe up with his opinions much more aggressively. Hearing from people who have followed these players like him and like Jim Callis would have added a lot more than Harold Reynolds and John Hart. I also think part of it was he got gun shy when he spent his time before the first pick talking about Buxton or Appel and the Astros went with Correa.

The other issue that Law would have helped with was the fact that every pick was a good one. I don't remember who said it in the thread but someone made a comment that Harold gave it his lowest score yet, seven thumbs up. I don't need guys getting roasted, especially the players who in many cases are 17-18 year old kids, but a bit of perspective would be good.

One thing I liked is they didn't give every player a Hall of Fame comp. Many of the comps for players were fairly ordinary players like Rick Helling, Skip Schumaker, Juan Pierre. The five minutes between picks was just enough time for a little blurb on each player, general analysis and discussion and commercials when needed.


Agree entirely and wholeheartedly with all of this...

All in all, the draft has come a long way since I recall listening to the 2001 draft via 'internet conference call' available to Baseball America subscribers.... "...Chicago Cubs select redraft #12345, Prior, Mark RHP"
   7. fra paolo Posted: June 05, 2012 at 10:21 AM (#4148724)
All in all, the draft has come a long way since I recall listening to the 2001 draft via 'internet conference call'

Some of us would say it has come too far.

Because it is trying to be a glamour event, we have to put up with Harold Reynolds and John Hart talking rubbish.

Much better to lower production values and put a few of these experts in a broom closet talking over an Internet stream in between the conference-call appearances of Tommy Lasorda and his ilk.
   8. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 05, 2012 at 10:45 AM (#4148738)
All in all, the draft has come a long way since I recall listening to the 2001 draft via 'internet conference call'


IIRC, there was a year when a late round was briefly interrupted when some lady accidentally got on the conference call. Hilarity ensued.

I also agree with Jose. Have Brian Kenny host, put Jonathan Mayo/Jim Callis and Keith Law on a panel. I'm fine putting an ex-GM or scouting director (not named Steve Phillips). John Hart is cromulent but if you could find the MLB-equivalent of Tom Penn (NBA on ESPN), get him. If you want an old ballplayer, get a smart one like Doug Glanville or Larry Dierker or David Cone. But focus on the experts who actually follow these guys and can give me legit info.
   9. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 05, 2012 at 10:53 AM (#4148745)
Are they still going to stream the audio feed of the conference call on day three? I hope so - I like hearing all those old scouts' voices.
   10. asinwreck Posted: June 05, 2012 at 11:16 AM (#4148755)
Law's not going on MLB while he's under contract to ESPN, right? Goldstein's also at ESPN, but maybe MLB could have John Manuel and Jim Callis do Crossfire-type arguments for 2-3 minutes between picks.

Getting ex-scouts into the mix could be fun. I hear Dave Wilder's available.

   11. DA Baracus is a "bloodthirsty fan of Atlanta." Posted: June 05, 2012 at 11:19 AM (#4148756)
Yes, ESPN is not going to allow their talent to be on MLB Network's broadcast. Having Law on is a non-starter.
   12. JE (Jason Epstein) Posted: June 05, 2012 at 11:19 AM (#4148757)
I agree pretty much with Jose but would add:

1. Move the thing out of the MLB Tonight studio and into an auditorium, even a small one. Last night resembled a kid's birthday party with plenty of bored parents sitting at desks waiting for the spectacle to end.

2. I cringed during Harold's effort to interview Buxton after inciting the crowd to "make some noise."

3. Was the "on-thee-clock" refrain from Selig an attempt to sound cute and cuddly?
   13. PreservedFish Posted: June 05, 2012 at 11:22 AM (#4148759)
Jim Callis needs some work before he's the lead analyst of a tv program. Dude is nebbish personified - he never once even looked at the camera.
   14. PreservedFish Posted: June 05, 2012 at 11:27 AM (#4148762)
The "clock" will always feel artificial. Without the ability to trade picks, there is absolutely no tension. And it feels like the picks come whenever the tv producer asks them to. I'm not sure how to fix that, exactly - the artifice is probably necessary to make the process entertaining - but there must be a better way to implement it.
   15. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 05, 2012 at 11:29 AM (#4148763)

1. Move the thing out of the MLB Tonight studio and into an auditorium, even a small one. Last night resembled a kid's birthday party with plenty of bored parents sitting at desks waiting for the spectacle to end.


I can't remember who it was, but someone on Twitter suggested they hold it at the Field of Dreams in Dyersville, Iowa, and everytime a kid is drafted, he walks out of the corn.
   16. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: June 05, 2012 at 11:40 AM (#4148772)
I can't remember who it was, but someone on Twitter suggested they hold it at the Field of Dreams in Dyersville, Iowa, and everytime a kid is drafted, he walks out of the corn.
I might warm up to this idea, but my first instinct is that it is a little creepy.
   17. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 05, 2012 at 11:43 AM (#4148775)
Getting ex-scouts into the mix could be fun.


"Well, Harold, I think this is a horseshit pick. The kid's built like Tarzan, but if you throw inside on him, he'll probably take a crap all over home plate. He's just a ##### - no guts at all."

*silence*
   18. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 05, 2012 at 11:44 AM (#4148776)
I might warm up to this idea, but my first instinct is that it is a little creepy.

If by creepy you mean terrible. Blargh. They ought to hold it at a Mercedes dealership and each kid picks out his ride after they call his name. That would actually be less nauseating.
   19. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 05, 2012 at 11:48 AM (#4148781)

"Well, Harold, I think this is a horseshit pick. The kid's built like Tarzan, but if you throw inside on him, he'll probably take a crap all over home plate. He's just a ##### - no guts at all."

*silence*


This, of course, would be fantastic television. It would put the NFL and NBA drafts to shame.
   20. Johnny Slick Posted: June 05, 2012 at 11:49 AM (#4148783)
"I like Correa okay, but Zunino's got the baseball face, and that's who I always tell my guys to draft."
   21. asinwreck Posted: June 05, 2012 at 11:50 AM (#4148785)
I can't remember who it was, but someone on Twitter suggested they hold it at the Field of Dreams in Dyersville, Iowa, and everytime a kid is drafted, he walks out of the corn.

I might warm up to this idea, but my first instinct is that it is a little creepy.


I can't imagine why you'd be creeped out by the children of the corn.
   22. if nature called, ladodger34 would listen Posted: June 05, 2012 at 12:06 PM (#4148802)
I haven't watched MLB Network in a week or two because I am in the middle of a move, but have they done any shows about draft prospects? I'm barely able to follow the minor league prospects of my own team anymore and I think I'm probably a bit ahead of that in regards to other fans. I have NO idea who the top draft picks are going to be unless there is a Bryce Harper or Strasburg type of phenom on the board.

If MLB wants this thing to work, they need to do a better job promoting the future draftees. I realize that doing that stuff right before the draft is tough with the season really starting to kick into high gear, but they have from November to February to fill airtime. They should do a draft related show and highlight some top prospects once a week during the offseason (with appropriate reruns of course).

There is no way the MLB draft will ever be as popular as the NFL & NBA drafts. They don't have to do a whole lot to promote their future prospects because the NCAA pretty much does it for them. Folks seem to intimately know NFL prospects because they see them every weekend during the fall for at least 3 years. Basketball is a little different with the one and done thing, but folks still get to know the players a little bit because of the tournament.

The one potential showcase for baseball happens after the draft and there aren't a whole lot of eyes on the College World Series to begin with. Given that there are a ton of guys drafted out of high school and the juco level, there is no way that a casual fan is going to know who the top guys are. The Mauer (Prior), Harper, A-Rod, and Strasburg drafts are anomalies. Even in the bad years, most casual NBA fans know the top guys (like the John Wall draft) are.
   23. DA Baracus is a "bloodthirsty fan of Atlanta." Posted: June 05, 2012 at 12:11 PM (#4148806)
This, of course, would be fantastic television. It would put the NFL and NBA drafts to shame.


That would be must see TV. It's not as good but there have been a few times when Mike Mayock literally just throws his hands up in the air and says "I have no idea what this team is thinking."
   24. BirdWatcher Posted: June 05, 2012 at 02:06 PM (#4148921)
It would be a lot more fun if we didn't have Selig droning on before every pick reminding us this was 2012 Draft - get rid of the paid political announcement. Better still, get rid of Selig - didn't the teams do the announcements themselves at one point using past star players ? Maybe combine the team announcements with a professional MC.
   25. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: June 05, 2012 at 02:46 PM (#4148969)
It would be a lot more fun if we didn't have Selig droning on before every pick reminding us this was 2012 Draft - get rid of the paid political announcement. Better still, get rid of Selig - didn't the teams do the announcements themselves at one point using past star players ? Maybe combine the team announcements with a professional MC.


They did that in the supplemental round. Dwight Evans, Mookie Wilson, Ryan Franklin, Tony Oliva, Chad Bradford were among the guys I remember seeing.
   26. puck Posted: June 05, 2012 at 03:34 PM (#4149016)
They did that in the supplemental round. Dwight Evans, Mookie Wilson, Ryan Franklin, Tony Oliva, Chad Bradford were among the guys I remember seeing.


How could you forget Garrett Atkins??
   27. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: June 05, 2012 at 03:40 PM (#4149024)
I missed him through some channel surfing.
   28. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 05, 2012 at 04:04 PM (#4149056)
Bud could use some hugging lessons from Roger Goodell.
   29. billyshears Posted: June 05, 2012 at 04:16 PM (#4149068)
Look, I love watching drafts. I've been watching drafts since Mel Kiper Jr. would personally call you back if you wanted to order his draft guide (true story). I would probably even watch the draft for a women's professional soccer league. I'm a sucker for anything that involves repeated long stretches of boredom followed by moments of minor intrigue. It's like being in a prodigy chat room in the 90s. But this was a terrible, terrible production.

There are a few ironclad rules of drafts on television:

1. At the end of a team's allotted time, somebody best be at the podium announcing the pick. A lot of times after a team's time expired, the clock would be on 0:00, and everybody would just be sitting there and nothing would happen. WTF?

2. When one team's time is up, the next team's time begins. There were times when a team's time on the clock wouldn't start until the TV people were done interviewing the prior pick. That's absurd. This is how a first round with 31 picks and 5 minutes per pick takes almost 3 1/2 hours. I will happily watch a draft that takes 5 hours if I know that's the cost of admission. But I will get pissed if it takes 15 minutes to get to the Mets' pick in the supplemental round when any reasonable interpretation of the stated rules would cause one to expect it to take 5 minutes, especially when I want to start Game of Thrones on my DVR as soon as possible.

3. Take yourself seriously. This point has been made, but putting Harold Reynolds on the telecast does not indicate that you are taking yourself seriously. Even Jonathan Mayo seemed to adopt the "This is a crazy lark" attitude by the end of the first round. I'm quite literally wasting my time watching this thing. Everybody I know in the real world thinks watching drafts is insane. The least the production can do is to pretend that this is as important as my maladjusted sense of priorities has convinced myself that it is.
   30. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 05, 2012 at 04:20 PM (#4149073)
I've been watching drafts since Mel Kiper Jr. would personally call you back if you wanted to order his draft guide (true story)


When I was in college, in the early days of ESPN.com, they used to have a guy that had an NBA draft column that he would frequently pimp his draft guide that you could purchase. This was the early days of the internet, so if you wanted to contact the guy, it listed a phone number. So me and a buddy called it, thinking some lackey would answer and we would complain about how some player was ranked too low. But it was the actual author that answered, and after a few minutes of us complaining about his ranking, he gets fed up and says "so are you going to buy a guide or what?"

Sadly, I remember reading about him committing suicide within a year after that.
   31. Guapo Posted: June 05, 2012 at 04:26 PM (#4149084)
This is how you make the draft more interesting:

(1) Let's say Houston is picking. The GM identifies three candidates.

(2) Then, during the next five minutes, all the fans watching at home get to vote for who the draft pick is via text message. Standard rates apply.

(3) We find out who the winner is at the end of five minutes, then Minnesota is up and their GM identifies their three candidates.
They can, of course, include the two players who didn't "win" the first election.

The draft is basically a crapshoot anyway, so why not let the fans get involved?
   32. DFA Posted: June 06, 2012 at 01:09 AM (#4149499)
I didn't watch as much as I wanted to, but overall this is leaps and bounds better than the internet conference call mentioned earlier. I had a lot of moments wondering how many other people were listening to those "productions". Anyway, Reynolds needs to get off the draft/prospect shows because he really doesn't know what he's talking about. Brian Kenny should have hosted it, and it definitely should have had more of a Clubhouse Confidential feel to it IMO.

Still though, a lot better than a few years ago.
   33. Tripon Posted: June 06, 2012 at 01:51 AM (#4149504)
A couple of people mentioned here about Kieth Law and ESPN. ESPN used to hold their own draft show for baseball, and it was just as awful if not worse than the current MLB production. Still, if ESPN really wanted to, they can probably still host their own draft show and have Law and the other baseball INC scouts crew tell us about the players. The draft was at 4/7PM on a Monday in June, ESPN doesn't have any sports rights to the NBA or NHL at this time, the only thing that could take away eyes on ESPN away from the draft are... actual baseball games.

Maybe MLB can bring up the importance of the games by having a little break in June on these three days like they do for the all star game, and treat it like an event like they clearly want to. Host it at one of the stadiums like they do with the all star game. Maybe even have the draft 'count' by having the winner of the draft get home field advantage in the world series. =P
   34. bigglou115 Posted: June 06, 2012 at 08:43 AM (#4149588)
I will not watch the draft until its off MLB network. It feels censored.

"That's a great pick by 'X'"

"Yep, great pick, exciting player."

"Yeah, really look forward to seeing him on the big team in a few years."

meanwhile...

Every blogger alive: "Terrible pick"
   35. JE (Jason Epstein) Posted: June 06, 2012 at 08:50 AM (#4149596)
The draft was at 4/7PM on a Monday in June, ESPN doesn't have any sports rights to the NBA or NHL at this time, the only thing that could take away eyes on ESPN away from the draft are... actual baseball games.

ESPN is broadcasting NBA playoff games. For example, they have tomorrow night's Game 6 in Boston.
   36. DA Baracus is a "bloodthirsty fan of Atlanta." Posted: June 06, 2012 at 09:24 AM (#4149618)
The draft was at 4/7PM on a Monday in June, ESPN doesn't have any sports rights to the NBA or NHL at this time, the only thing that could take away eyes on ESPN away from the draft are... actual baseball games.


They also don't have the rights to broadcast it. They can't just show up with a production truck, they would need to purchase the rights from MLB, who aren't going to give away one of the few exclusive things they have to broadcast. And they'd have to get MLB to change the venue because ESPN (or any other network) is never going to broadcast an event that's held in the studio of a competing network.
   37. Der-K: Hipster doofus Posted: June 06, 2012 at 09:28 AM (#4149621)
The "clock" will always feel artificial. Without the ability to trade picks, there is absolutely no tension. And it feels like the picks come whenever the tv producer asks them to. I'm not sure how to fix that, exactly - the artifice is probably necessary to make the process entertaining - but there must be a better way to implement it.

This isn't entirely true. MLB's draft places a unique (afaict) premium of signability - between that and the sheer volume of picks, you'll have teams needing to make calls to see what the player is willing to take prior to their selection (particularly after the first few picks). That's why (I suspect) we didn't have the rapid fire selection in rounds 2-15 that we used to - clubs were managing their slot money.

That's also a reason why it's very hard to judge the draft as it's happening. A ridiculous pick in round 6 (of which there were a few yesterday) may make sense in the context of their draft as a whole - as they're shifting cash around for subsequent or prior picks.

I was off and on listening, not watching (by and large) - but I thought they did a pretty good job, particularly as the draft went on. Some notes:
* Reynolds needs to go - he was way out of his element.
* Audiowise - I thought Callis did a good job*. When I saw him... well, he would be well served to spend some time working on his on-camera presence. Still worth having there (this is, after, deeply niche programming for an audience that's likely to be more forgiving with this stuff - which is not to say devoid of snark).
* Mayo's improved over the years - he did a very nice job, especially when it was just him and an anchor type.
* I don't get MLB network, so I can't speak to their editorial bent, but I've got to think that you're not going to get much critical commentary on that channel.
* I'd keep it in the studio for now.

No way on earth does ESPN do a draft show in the foreseeable future, for many, many reasons.

Having draft related programming in the preceding months isn't a bad idea. Talent acquistion costs, presumably, are closer to fixed now, so MLB doesn't have to worry about that sort of thing making the players more expensive + it could be cheap to produce and fill non-game time slots + it "grows the brand".


* I want to be clear here. I like Callis/BA's work immensely - it's easy to underrate how good of a job they've done adapting to the "statistical revolution", to changes in tech, etc... - and as reporters. (Though they'd be well served to add a CBW type to do a video scouting series.)

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