Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

btf_logo
You are here > Home > Baseball Newsstand > Baseball Primer Newsblog > Discussion
Baseball Primer Newsblog
— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand

Thursday, August 22, 2013

MLB, Yankees better be clean in A-Rod mess

“Is it really worth it to baseball to expose its dark side in order to make an example out of Alex Rodriguez? Is it really worth it to the Yankees, a franchise worth more than $2 billion, to try to get out of paying him $86 million?

We know that lawyers bluster all the time. It is what they do for a living. But what if Rodriguez’s side does have even a fraction of the evidence it claims to have against MLB and the Yankees?

That evidence likely will not exonerate A-Rod, and in reality, his exoneration is no longer possible. By his own actions, he is already tarnished beyond repair.

But for MLB and the Yankees, who are supposed to be the good guys here, the damage might only be beginning.”

Slapinions Posted: August 22, 2013 at 03:15 PM | 33 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: a-rod

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

   1. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 22, 2013 at 04:04 PM (#4525440)
The Yankees are never the good guys.
   2. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: August 22, 2013 at 04:08 PM (#4525444)
+1 for [1].
   3. spike Posted: August 22, 2013 at 04:09 PM (#4525446)
   4. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: August 22, 2013 at 04:11 PM (#4525450)
If the Yankees really hated A-Rod they could have released him.

The teams really get off the hook on the steroid stuff. If you are one of those who believe steroids are some magic bullet that was required for success in the late90s/early00s then why is there never an assumption that teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, Braves, Cardinals, that had great success in those years weren't actively distributing the things? Of course then we might have to consider the possibility of people like Jeter or Maddux doing steroids and of course they never did, they are pure as the driven snow.
   5. Bitter Mouse Posted: August 22, 2013 at 04:13 PM (#4525452)
Sounds like a Herculean labor to me.
   6. fra paolo Posted: August 22, 2013 at 04:14 PM (#4525455)
My feeling is that would have drawn cheers, not jeers, from a public that I sense is beginning to see this for what it is becoming: a witch hunt.
I thought it was becoming a Centauromachy, with the Yankees and MLB as the Lapiths.
   7. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 22, 2013 at 04:20 PM (#4525468)

MLB, Yankees better be clean in A-Rod mess


MLB better not have purchased evidence!!!!!
   8. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 22, 2013 at 04:28 PM (#4525476)

The teams really get off the hook on the steroid stuff. If you are one of those who believe steroids are some magic bullet that was required for success in the late90s/early00s then why is there never an assumption that teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, Braves, Cardinals, that had great success in those years weren't actively distributing the things? Of course then we might have to consider the possibility of people like Jeter or Maddux doing steroids and of course they never did, they are pure as the driven snow.


This. I mean you have the A's not knowing anything with Canseco and McGwire, you have the Diamondbacks, the Giants with Bonds and Marvin Benard and Benito Santiago and Jason Christensen, and the Yanks with A-Rod and Clemens and Pettitte and Cervelli (and Jesus Montero if you want to count him). Could be coincedence, but there should at least be investigations as to whether teams were pushing this. Just yesterday someone posted an old quote where Lou Merloni accused the Red Sox of pushing it.
   9. phoenixscienter Posted: August 22, 2013 at 05:27 PM (#4525523)
Yeah, the Braves were pushing steroids to Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, Denny Neagle, Steve Avery, Bruce Chen (how else can you explain the fact that he's STILL pitching?), and the rest of the gumby-looking staff that was the impetus behind the Braves title run.
   10. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 22, 2013 at 05:37 PM (#4525535)
Leo Mazzone was clearly on greenies. How else do you explain his incessant rocking?
   11. TDF, situational idiot Posted: August 22, 2013 at 05:37 PM (#4525536)
Yeah, the Braves were pushing steroids to Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, Denny Neagle, Steve Avery, Bruce Chen (how else can you explain the fact that he's STILL pitching?), and the rest of the gumby-looking staff that was the impetus behind the Braves title run.
Yeah, because it's easy to see who a user is just by looking at them.
   12. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 22, 2013 at 05:47 PM (#4525548)
Leo Mazzone was clearly on greenies. How else do you explain his incessant rocking?


Nah, just a ZZ Top fan.
   13. God Posted: August 22, 2013 at 07:17 PM (#4525621)
The Dodgers had users Paul LoDuca, Gary Sheffield, Kevin Brown and Eric Gagne all on the team at the same time.
   14. Walt Davis Posted: August 22, 2013 at 11:05 PM (#4525796)
As far as I recall, all we know about Sheff was his statements about not being comfy with whatever Greg Anderson was giving him during his brief co-training with Bonds.
   15. Ray K Posted: August 22, 2013 at 11:38 PM (#4525808)
As far as I recall, all we know about Sheff was his statements about not being comfy with whatever Greg Anderson was giving him during his brief co-training with Bonds.


There's a lot of smoke surrounding Sheffield in the Mitchell Report. What you choose to see is up to you.

Sheffield can protest his innocence, but it is undeniable that he was in the same steroid pipeline as the known users. He had a chance to interview for the Mitchell Report, but declined. He also claimed that steroid use was rampant in the mid-90s, and he even asked Selig to investigate steroid abuse. Selig has stated that he never received such a request and, years later, Sheffield would plead ignorance to the fact that he was taking steroids from BALCO via the trainer that he and Barry Bonds shared.
   16. robinred Posted: August 22, 2013 at 11:56 PM (#4525814)
Yankees have won 5 in a row and are only 3.5 out of the second WC.

OAK 71-55
CLE 69-58
BAL 68-58
NYY 68-59


   17. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 23, 2013 at 01:12 AM (#4525847)
Yankees have won 5 in a row and are only 3.5 out of the second WC.


Boo. Amazing how the evil dead always rises at the most inopportune time.
   18. Ron J Posted: August 23, 2013 at 01:25 AM (#4525850)
Ray, why would any player place any kind of trust in Mitchell? He burned those bridges with the piece of garbage that was the Blue Ribbon Economic Report.

   19. Ron J Posted: August 23, 2013 at 01:28 AM (#4525852)
#17 I'm an Orioles fan and right now I honestly want to see ARod lead the Yankees to a WS win. And yeah, I'd bet heavily against it happening.
   20. Walt Davis Posted: August 23, 2013 at 02:20 AM (#4525855)
There's a lot of smoke surrounding Sheffield in the Mitchell Report.

Such as? According to wiki, the only mention of Sheffield is that there was a BALCO FedEx receipt.

We know -- from a NY Times Magazine piece written with Bonds' approval before BALCO was a scandal and before the Mitchell committee ever met -- that Sheffield trained briefly with Bonds and Anderson. That's the bit I was referring to above. Sheffield claimed, in real time, that he couldn't hack Bonds' regimen and then later, in his book, that he didn't like the effects of what Anderson was giving him.

If that's all there is then whoop-de-doo. Yes, for a period of a few months, we have evidence that steroids likely resided in Sheffield's system. He didn't speak with the Mitchell group just like every other active player. You're gonna get worked up about that? Weak sauce.

If there's more in the Mitchell Report then please share it with Wiki. If there's more smoke surrounding Sheffield, cite it. There may well be -- I don't care so I don't track these things like a hawk.

   21. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 23, 2013 at 05:27 AM (#4525868)
Ray, why would any player place any kind of trust in Mitchell?


He's a close personal friend of the commissioner, plus a member of the Red Sox front office. What incentive would he have to fudge any facts?
   22. Ron J Posted: August 23, 2013 at 07:50 AM (#4525886)
he didn't like the effects of what Anderson was giving him.


Wasn't it more like his knee was bothering him, Anderson gave him something for it (which we're to assume is the cream I suppose) and he complained it didn't do anything for him.

   23. Nasty Nate Posted: August 23, 2013 at 09:10 AM (#4525942)
Is this the monthly thread where we hear how terrible this team with a .530 winning percentage is, or are we done with those for the year?
   24. Bob Tufts Posted: August 23, 2013 at 09:13 AM (#4525945)
And this was never resolved. I'm still waiting for someone to pin down George Mitchell due to this CNN transcript of an October 29, 2004 interview by Soledad O'Brien with Senator Mitchell that describes his status with the Red Sox.

http://transcripts.cnn.com.TRANSCRIPTS/0410/29/ltm.06.html

O'BRIEN: On a much lighter note, how about those Red Sox? I understand that you have a little stake in the team?

MITCHELL: Oh, it's great. I do. Yes, I do.
I am involved with the Red Sox. I am a lifelong fan. I grew up in Maine and...

O'BRIEN: A part owner, too, beyond being a fan.

MITCHELL: Yes. Well, not that much of an owner.

O'BRIEN: Well, still more than most people do.


MITCHELL: Yes, no, it was a great success, a great season and a great success.


Did Mitchell misremember his status or just lie?
   25. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 23, 2013 at 09:19 AM (#4525952)
you have the Diamondbacks


Not sure where I was going there. Luis Gonzalez looks the part, but I have never ready any accusations or rumors against him. I think all they had was Jack Cust and Jason Grimsley maybe.
   26. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: August 23, 2013 at 09:21 AM (#4525955)
What lie? He didn't say "no, I'm not an owner", he acknowledged that he owned a piece of the team. I don't see anything untrue in what you quoted.

That doesn't change the fact that using a part-owner for an "independent" report should have been embarrassing for MLB. I'd like to say it's shocking that the media didn't make more of this story when the Mitchell Report came out but...
   27. Bob Tufts Posted: August 23, 2013 at 09:27 AM (#4525961)
What lie? He didn't say "no, I'm not an owner", he acknowledged that he owned a piece of the team. I don't see anything untrue in what you quoted.



Then why did Mitchell make this statement in the Report?

Mitchell, a Democrat and former federal judge who is now the chair of the global board of DLA Piper LLP, a law firm with 3,600 lawyers in 25 countries, lays out his possible conflicts in Appendix A of his report.

“I have been a consultant to the owners of the Boston Red Sox since that club was acquired in 2002 by an ownership group led by John W. Henry. The club labels that position ‘director,’ ” Mitchell writes.

He goes on to state that he is not involved in baseball operations, that he has no vote in owners’ decisions and he does not have “any ownership or other equity interest in the Red Sox.


--

He did say "no, I am not an owner in his "own" Report.

It's easy - you either own a piece or you don't. Was Mitchell delusional while writing the Report or did he commit MLB's version of perjury by lying to the Office of the Commissioner during an investigation by inserting this?
   28. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: August 23, 2013 at 09:38 AM (#4525970)

He did say "no, I am not an owner in his "own" Report.


That's different. I was responding to the excerpt you quoted. I hadn't seen that, that's good stuff right there. He should be banned for 50, no 100, no 211 games! And booed everywhere! And Ryan Dempster should throw a fastball at him!

Everytime I think the owners have done everything they can to look bad in my eyes they take it a step further.
   29. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 23, 2013 at 09:45 AM (#4525976)
It's easy - you either own a piece or you don't. Was Mitchell delusional while writing the Report or did he commit MLB's version of perjury by lying to the Office of the Commissioner during an investigation by inserting this?


I guess it's also technically possible that he could have threaded the needle by divesting himself of his ownership stake, whatever it was, before he started working on the report. He only says that he doesn't have an "ownership or equity interest" at that time, not that he never did.
   30. Bob Tufts Posted: August 23, 2013 at 10:12 AM (#4526005)
So it depends on what the meaning of what "is an owner" is......

Unlikely as he includes in the Appendix all of his other baseball related activities since the Blue Ribbon report.

Who was the kid in the Clinton Administration that lied in his diaries?
   31. JL Posted: August 23, 2013 at 11:10 AM (#4526072)
I guess it's also technically possible that he could have threaded the needle by divesting himself of his ownership stake, whatever it was, before he started working on the report. He only says that he doesn't have an "ownership or equity interest" at that time, not that he never did.


The First Lady of Virginia looks to have done this. She sold all stock in a company (that she and her husband have been actively promoting) in mid-December and bought it back in mid-January, which conveniently allowed her not to avoid mentioning the that ownership in a disclosure on December 31st of all stock that she owned. Technically legal, but shady.

Not declaring those things makes people assume you have something to hide.
   32. Bob Tufts Posted: August 23, 2013 at 11:51 AM (#4526109)
And why was the Mitchell ownership status never examined by the media?

The NY Times (and Boston Globe by extension) owned part of the Red Sox and Mitchell had been Chairman of ABC/Disney, which besides having broadcasting rights also had ownership of the Angels for awhile.

Professional courtesy for a career politician.

And then there are the Red Sox contributions to the Mitchell Institute charity.
   33. Bob Tufts Posted: August 23, 2013 at 12:37 PM (#4526143)
And then there's the 1994 DSHEA, which limited FDA powers (pre-Republican control of the House, mind you!) and resulted in 25% contamination of supplements with steroids and 10% contamination with amphetamines. Leader of Senate when it passed - George Mitchell? person who pushed it through the House? Henry Waxman. And the lead Republican defending production of supplements? Orrin Hatch?

The banality of evil.

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.

 

 

<< Back to main

BBTF Partner

Support BBTF

donate

Thanks to
robinred
for his generous support.

Bookmarks

You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Hot Topics

NewsblogOMNICHATTER FOR APRIL 19, 2014
(3 - 1:30pm, Apr 19)
Last: Good cripple hitter

NewsblogDoug Glanville: I Was Racially Profiled in My Own Driveway
(335 - 1:29pm, Apr 19)
Last: Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October

Newsblogmets.com: Through hitting system, Mets aim to build winner
(4 - 1:29pm, Apr 19)
Last: KT's Pot Arb

NewsblogOMNICHATTER FOR APRIL 18, 2014
(155 - 1:28pm, Apr 19)
Last: cardsfanboy

NewsblogOT: NBA Monthly Thread - April 2014
(335 - 1:28pm, Apr 19)
Last: robinred

NewsblogCesar Cabral tossed from game, from team
(11 - 1:25pm, Apr 19)
Last: flournoy

NewsblogOT: The Soccer Thread March, 2014
(902 - 1:24pm, Apr 19)
Last: Swedish Chef

NewsblogOT: The NHL is finally back thread, part 2
(145 - 1:08pm, Apr 19)
Last: STEAGLES is all out of bubblegum

NewsblogRosenthal: MLB likely to adjust two rules: plays at home & transfer catches
(8 - 12:50pm, Apr 19)
Last: cercopithecus aethiops

NewsblogOTP April 2014: BurstNET Sued for Not Making Equipment Lease Payments
(1687 - 12:47pm, Apr 19)
Last: bobm

NewsblogPirates Acquire Ike Davis From Mets
(30 - 12:37pm, Apr 19)
Last: billyshears

NewsblogMitchell: Now Playing First Base for the Yankees
(56 - 11:44am, Apr 19)
Last: donlock

NewsblogMinuteman News Center: Giandurco: This means WAR
(90 - 11:33am, Apr 19)
Last: cardsfanboy

NewsblogOAG: A Conversation With Baseball Legend Johnny Bench
(2 - 11:23am, Apr 19)
Last: The District Attorney

NewsblogRB: Carlos Beltran: more of a center fielder than Mickey Mantle, Ty Cobb or Duke Snider. So what?
(35 - 11:10am, Apr 19)
Last: cardsfanboy

Demarini, Easton and TPX Baseball Bats

 

 

 

 

Page rendered in 0.4111 seconds
52 querie(s) executed