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I'm so glad it was the Phillies and not the Dodgers in the Series. The Phils were a tough opponent, and didn't bring a sideshow with them.
And Giambi. This feels so good, but it saddens me that neither got a ring with us. At least Giambi might still play another year or two.
Jesus, really?
they were 38-32 and were just shut out by Hanson. Had lost 5 of 6 and were down in the 6th inning, despite a good start from Joba.
Cervelli hit a homer, Yanks won 8-4, and started a stretch where they won 13 of 15. They won 50 of their next 66.
After Cervelli's home run in Atlanta, they finished the year 65-27.
That's a reasonable take, but to me that first Mets series was the turnaround, first with the gift from Castillo and then with the 15-0 massacre of Santana. I know that they then blew 2 of 3 to the Nats, so technically I can't really say you're wrong about the Atlanta series, but I give my choice bonus points for removing the Mets from sight in the New York media. And I'm still laughing at that Castillo muff---that was certainly the comic highlight of 2009.
So much in life is suddenly possible, isn't it?
I don't remember him giving long interviews like this on thepast- I think his english must have finally reached full fluency.
When he retires, hell probably sit on the porch of his farm and enjoy life, but I'd hire him as a MLB pitching coach the day he hangs them up. Heck, he's probably the de facto coach right now anyways.
Yes. Joe Torre is dead to all of us.
Really? A guy who throws one pitch wouldn't seem like he'd have a ton of sage advice to offer.
The things "Verducci said" about various and sundry Yankee players would not have been said without Torre's input. Torre didn't "write" the book, but all the s-talking came from him ...
This. Mariano's a treasure, and I'm privileged to have watched him pitch. But I have no idea why he'd make a good pitching coach. He might be Johnny Sain reborn, but there's no reason to believe that.
Yes, but mostly Torre ... I also don't give him much credit for the Yankees' World Series wins. He might be good at managing a clubhouse, but managing the team on the field ... not so good ...
Younger:
Edgar Renteria, 1997?
Cal Ripken, 1983?
Rabbit Maranville, 1914?
maybe more, I don't know how to search
(also, Wil Cordero would have been younger when the Expos won in 1994.)
Oldest? Maybe. Not many players at any position still active at 36.
Indeed, I am.
For real. #### Joe Torre.
Last year a team made it to the NLCS despite giving a plurality of their starts at shortstop to Angel Berroa. Think about that.
The best part of that is you can argue that he was only the 3rd worst Dodgers SS on that 2008 team.
edit: Actually, 4th worst, I forgot about Luis Maza.
Geez, so did Luis Maza.
Obama Admin: 1 WS title, 1 yearBush Adm.: 0 titles, 8 years
Clinton Ad: 4 titles, 8 years
Bush Sr : 0 titles, 4 years
Reagan : 0 titles, 8 years
Carter : 2 titles, 4 years
Nixon-Ford : 0 titles, 8 years
Johnson : 0 titles, 8 years
Kennedy : 2 titles, 3 years
Total (R) : 0 titles, 28 years
Total (D) : 9 titles, 24 years
So, it's clear: If you're a Yankee fan, vote Democratic.
Rookie of the Year, too. Is it too early to start the Hall of Fame debate?
Yet no one associated with the Yankees ever has!
(Well, Jake Powell might have, but . . .)
Sigh.
BTW I get that the MVP vote was gonna go like it did. i guess the writers can't remember anything older than this morning. But seriously, 6 RBI or no, Matsui contributed materially to 1 win. There's a half dozen better choices.
Hope for Mets fans though. Rollins ability to predict baseball outcomes has been broken!
Sorry if I forgot any others.
We'll be OK Phil. :-)
Congratulations also go to A-Rod, who can now point to his new ring any time some nimrod tells him that he hurts his teams more than he helps them.
Speaking for all Met fans, we can only hope, Harveys...
Joe Dimino, too.
Congrats to all the Yankee fans here.
In 2004 or 2005 the Wall St. Journal op-ed page puckishly commented that ever since self-described Yankee fan Hillary Rodham Clinton represented New York in the Senate, the Yanks hadn't won a World Series.
He's talking about the Phillies on Earth-S from that alternate universe, Marc. :-)
You're kidding, right? The turning point in the season was when they added 2 #1 starters and a perennial MVP candidate to a team of perennial MVP candidates.
Progress, I tell you, progress. At least it wasn't a weak groundout to third, trying to pull a low and away slider.
I won't have time to read the thread but congrats to the Yankees, they were a better team. The Phillies had no magic, did not play up to their potential on defense, and their bullpen mess* kept them from being able to mount comebacks.
Pettitte was wildly effective enough, certainly better than Pedro
* I believe that every reliever was on the disabled list in the 2nd half of the year except for Madson (who looked arm-weary).
Thanks to all of you for your gracious comments here. I love you guys.
Well, the vast majority of you guys.
EDIT: Even you, DMN. I disagree with almost everything you say non-baseball related, but you're good people.
But congratulations to the Yankee posters here. You guys are crumbelievable.
I meant to add that Pedro had a bit of bad luck when Victorino played Jeter's flyout into a single, which led to a 2 run inning. But then again, Pedro's pitching was so tenuous that he couldn't overcome that error.
Joe Torre was a huge part of the rebuild of the Yankees franchise and their return to the top. I will always thank Joe Torre for that.
It was a ugly, ugly divorce. He didn't have to do what he did, but that is all over now. If he comes back to the stadium, I will cheer. But now is not the time for all of that.
Hooray Yankees.
That makes him more of a roving instructor type, doesn't it?
i guess the writers can't remember anything older than this morning. But seriously, 6 RBI or no, Matsui contributed materially to 1 win. There's a half dozen better choices.
2/3 with a go-ahead homer in a 3-1 Game 2 win doesn't do anything for you?
I will say that he gets a lot of love from young pitchers (relievers, mostly) on the mental part of the game, so I'd see him as a bullpen coach type, someone to handle that element of it while you have a pitching coach to focus on the mechnical.
What are you talking about? Half the teams in the league regularly sack the Yankees' coffers for loot and riches. It's worse than the Goth's raiding Rome, the Yankees aren't even allowed to mount a defense.
Of course, once upon a time I knew a guy pretty well who committed armed robbery and was thrilled with his haul for awhile. I suppose I was happy for him, too. :)
He's working on a World Crossword Championship.
I would contribute to the Political Action Committee for this.
Sometimes it helps to be in the right place at the right time. Here you have the greatest reliever in history with five rings, and perhaps the best overall player of his generation nearly crying in joy over his first one. And of course the likes of Ernie Banks and Don Mattingly never got any.
And then you have a nonentity like Frankie Crosetti (career OPS+ 84) who not only earned 16 rings as a player (7) and a coach (9), but by the time he ran out of fingers and thumbs they were giving him engraved shotguns instead. Crosetti was associated with as many World Series winners as Joe Dimaggio and Mickey Mantle combined.
Get over it. They won the World Series.
How ... sad. And dull.
(Hat tip to Paul Simon.)
Rooting against the Yankees doesn't make you a better person or a better baseball fan.
It's baseball. It's not something that's actually important.
The word for these people is "New Yorkers." Now, you might object to those who come from New York, but Yankees fans generally support that team for reasons of geography or genealogy. Sports rooting is not a matter of morality or spirit.
Hey, I didn't make the ridiculous analogy. They won because they were the better team.
Then you get a pass. I should've been more specific -- it's the non-NYer Yankee devotees whom I find rather, ummm, questionable (not that they, or anyone else, should give a damn about my opinion in the matter).
I'm the same way with regard to the Celtics, Lakers & Cowboys (& probably other teams not coming to mind at the moment) -- it's perfectly understandable if you love the historic overdogs because you're from New England, or LA, or Texas. If you're from somewhere else & you glom onto some super-$ucce$$ful franchise, there just may be something wrong with you inside. Or not.
I have no idea if Guapo has some sort of geographical or familial grounds for saying such a silly thing. I'm assuming he does.
Or they are paying off the ruthless salary cap Goths, to keep them from changing the parameters to equal playing field.
The only issue I have is MLB giving the Yanks (and Mets) the ability to keep a third team from being installed in the region since everything indicates one could be supported.
The Nationals should have gone to New York when they left Montreal/San Juan. I also wanted the Devil Rays to move to Washington at that time.
Of course it doesn't.
And loving, say, reality TV (I actually know & otherwise respect people who do) or Britney Spears (one occasionally encounters such people on the 'net; I'm pretty sure I've never run across such an individual in the flesh) or whatever doesn't mean you're seriously taste-impaired.
Though, y'know, it does raise the distinct possibility that that's the case ...
As someone who grew up a Red Sox fan in New York (dad was from New England, so that usually gets me a pass from people who have some strange need to place parameters on proper fandom), I've never seen anything particularly admirable about rooting for the team just because most everyone else in your neighborhood roots for the same team. If some oversized kid in Colorado Springs became a Yankee fan this year because he identifies with CC, more power to him.
Those parameters protect the Goths from being pillaged by the Mongols too. They were in place long before Alaric was born as well.
It's baseball. It's entertainment. People are more entertained by winning than losing, so many people will root for a winner, because that's more fun for them. If they're upfront about it, I don't have any problem with it.
Then you get a pass. I should've been more specific -- it's the non-NYer Yankee devotees whom I find rather, ummm, questionable (not that they, or anyone else, should give a damn about my opinion in the matter).
I'm the same way with regard to the Celtics, Lakers & Cowboys (& probably other teams not coming to mind at the moment) -- it's perfectly understandable if you love the historic overdogs because you're from New England, or LA, or Texas. If you're from somewhere else & you glom onto some super-$ucce$$ful franchise, there just may be something wrong with you inside. Or not.
Well, I was definitely born in New York, but I don't think that anyone should have to apologize for rooting for excellence that shows itself outside one's home city, especially if it's a case of adopting a team like the Yankees or the Lakers as a backup team when your hometown team is so poorly run that it has no chance of competing. I love the Redskins, but I can't possibly root for any team owned by anyone like Dan Snyder, so I now root for the Ravens.
And sometimes rooting just a matter of a flukish set of circumstances. I started rooting for the North Carolina basketball team when I learned that all five Carolina starters were natives of New York City. And that fandom easily survived my years at Duke when Duke dominated the ACC, and a fair number of down years since then.
You may root for a team because you like a particular player, or the team's style of play, or because you like the coach. You may even root for a team on an ad hoc basis, the way Yankee haters or Cowboys haters do every year. There are plenty of reasons beyond the lemminglike impulse to root for a winner, and in most cases there's nothing wrong with any of them.
Wow. Yankees, Real Madrid.... why am I even allowed to root for sports teams?
But the Raiders and the Browns? Yowsa. That taxes a fan.......
Your explanation makes your comment much more reasonable. Not sure what I said that you think was silly.
Just browsing online I found a Gallup poll from 2001 that said that 15% of sports fans identify the Yankees as their favorite baseball team, making them the most popular single team. (Atlanta was second at 11%. I wouldn't be surprised if Boston has overtaken them since.) Assuming that hasn't changed much since then, that's roughly 85% of baseball fans that root against the Yankees. I don't think Yankee fans are complaining, but it's hardly an iconoclastic point of view to criticize Yankee fans as front-runners.
As for what you meant to say, I think casual non-NY area fans who glom on to the Yankees are casual fans, so they don't really care if their payroll is $100 million or $200 million or whatever.
But I do think there are non-casual non-NY area fans who may be drawn to the Yankees by their history, as opposed to their competitive advantages. I know that when I was a kid (growing up in southern Connecticut in the mid-80s) our local teams were the NY teams, and both the Yankees and Mets were equally good. The major reason I went with the Yankees was I was enthralled by the history. Ruth, Gehrig, Mantle, DiMaggio and all that.
Because Royal Dutch Shell doesn't have a fan club.
:)
Now you don't have to feel guilty about being snarky.
Ha, nice. I'll resume my Yankee bashing on Monday. I'll keep this close to my heart until then.
Silly in the sense that I am a kneejerk iconoclast, irrespective of whether I dislike the Yankees or not. That doesn't make me somehow superior (or inferior, I hope) to anyone else, but it's no less a fact.
(I grew up hating the Cowboys, for instance, because they were just about universally popular in southwest Arkansas. And when I moved to Arizona to go to grad school -- this was more than a decade before the Diamondbacks came into existence -- I developed a certain antipathy toward the Dodgers because they were by far the most popular team in Phoenix, aka LA Jr. ... even though the AAA franchise was a Giants' farm team.)
(Hey, I'm a negative person. I admit it. I hate, or at least dislike, far more teams than I've ever liked. I love rebel leagues -- the ABA, WFL, WHA -- & often wind up despising the leagues that drive them out of business. Federal League forever!)
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