Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

btf_logo
You are here > Home > Baseball Newsstand > Baseball Primer Newsblog > Discussion
Baseball Primer Newsblog
— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand

Thursday, November 05, 2009

MLB: Yankees finish Phils to claim 27th title

With Mariano Rivera, baseball’s all-time master postseason closer, registering the final five outs, the Yankees held on for a 7-3 victory over the Phillies in Game 6 of the World Series on Wednesday night, claiming their first title since 2000.

The combination of designated hitter Hideki Matsui’s six-RBI performance and lefty Andy Pettitte’s strong work on three days’ rest put New York in charge. The fans at Yankee Stadium began to sense early that the next chapter in team history was about to be written, and they were itching to hear “Enter Sandman,” Rivera’s entrance music.

They got their wish with one out in the eighth, after Damaso Marte got Ryan Howard to strike out swinging. Although Rivera gave up a double to Raul Ibanez, he got out of the eighth on a Pedro Feliz popout, before a 1-2-3 ninth.

With that, the Yankees set off a World Series celebration not seen in the Bronx since they swept the Braves in 1999.

Repoz Posted: November 05, 2009 at 05:14 AM | 229 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: phillies, yankees

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

Page 2 of 3 pages  < 1 2 3 > 
   101. Martin Hemner Posted: November 05, 2009 at 06:17 AM (#3379263)
Also, #### Joe Torre.

I'm so glad it was the Phillies and not the Dodgers in the Series. The Phils were a tough opponent, and didn't bring a sideshow with them.
   102. The TVerik of Lordly Might Posted: November 05, 2009 at 06:18 AM (#3379265)
Ramiro Pena was on the active roster at the end, right?
   103. Martin Hemner Posted: November 05, 2009 at 06:18 AM (#3379266)
Yup, he took Melky's spot.
   104. The TVerik of Lordly Might Posted: November 05, 2009 at 06:19 AM (#3379267)
I believe - and I could be wrong - but Derek Jeter is both the youngest and oldest shortstop to win a World Series.
   105. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: November 05, 2009 at 06:20 AM (#3379269)
Also, I wish there was a way to give Mike Mussina something.


And Giambi. This feels so good, but it saddens me that neither got a ring with us. At least Giambi might still play another year or two.
   106. The TVerik of Lordly Might Posted: November 05, 2009 at 06:21 AM (#3379270)
I remember having that exact feeling in 1996 re: Mattingly.
   107. Martin Hemner Posted: November 05, 2009 at 06:21 AM (#3379271)
Renteria was younger in 1997, I think.
   108. Lassus Posted: November 05, 2009 at 06:24 AM (#3379272)
Also, #### Joe Torre.

Jesus, really?
   109. Tripon Posted: November 05, 2009 at 06:24 AM (#3379273)
Angel Berroa now has a ring. Think about that for a moment.
   110. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: November 05, 2009 at 06:26 AM (#3379274)
the turning point of the season was game 2 in Atlanta., June 24.

they were 38-32 and were just shut out by Hanson. Had lost 5 of 6 and were down in the 6th inning, despite a good start from Joba.

Cervelli hit a homer, Yanks won 8-4, and started a stretch where they won 13 of 15. They won 50 of their next 66.

After Cervelli's home run in Atlanta, they finished the year 65-27.


That's a reasonable take, but to me that first Mets series was the turnaround, first with the gift from Castillo and then with the 15-0 massacre of Santana. I know that they then blew 2 of 3 to the Nats, so technically I can't really say you're wrong about the Atlanta series, but I give my choice bonus points for removing the Mets from sight in the New York media. And I'm still laughing at that Castillo muff---that was certainly the comic highlight of 2009.
   111. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: November 05, 2009 at 06:27 AM (#3379275)
Angel Berroa now has a ring. Think about that for a moment.

So much in life is suddenly possible, isn't it?
   112. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: November 05, 2009 at 06:35 AM (#3379279)
Just saw another long Rivera interview on ESPN. He comes off as incredibly smart, composed, and self-aware, especially for an athlete.
I don't remember him giving long interviews like this on thepast- I think his english must have finally reached full fluency.
When he retires, hell probably sit on the porch of his farm and enjoy life, but I'd hire him as a MLB pitching coach the day he hangs them up. Heck, he's probably the de facto coach right now anyways.
   113. The Yankee Clapper Posted: November 05, 2009 at 06:36 AM (#3379280)
Start of another streak? Now that the Core Four are apparently immune from the aging process, anything is possible.
   114. Zac Schmitt Posted: November 05, 2009 at 06:37 AM (#3379281)
I love the Yankees. I dunno, I picked them when I was 4 and ran with it. And god I love them. So much. I just wanted to say that.
   115. Matt Garza smells it deep (Mr. Tapeworm) Posted: November 05, 2009 at 06:37 AM (#3379282)
Jesus, really?


Yes. Joe Torre is dead to all of us.
   116. Tripon Posted: November 05, 2009 at 06:40 AM (#3379284)
Jesus Christ, what the #### did Joe Torre do to you #######? YOUR TEAM JUST WON THE ####### WORLD SERIES.
   117. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: November 05, 2009 at 06:42 AM (#3379285)
I'd hire him as a MLB pitching coach the day he hangs them up.

Really? A guy who throws one pitch wouldn't seem like he'd have a ton of sage advice to offer.
   118. Matt Garza smells it deep (Mr. Tapeworm) Posted: November 05, 2009 at 06:43 AM (#3379286)
Joe Torre wrote a back-stabbing book he did not need to write. Even if every word in it is true, what a giant, stinking chunk of horse manure. He doesn't need the money. He must have just really wanted to slag a bunch of guys ...
   119. The Original SJ Posted: November 05, 2009 at 06:44 AM (#3379287)
Joe Torre is not dead to me. I will never look at him the same again though.
   120. Tripon Posted: November 05, 2009 at 06:44 AM (#3379288)
Tapeworm, did you actually read the book? Torre didn't actually write the book, Verducci did. Torre's just one of the principal characters.
   121. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: November 05, 2009 at 06:46 AM (#3379289)
WHAT DID JOE TORRE EVER DO FOR US? WHY IS EVERYBODY NOT MORE MAD AT HIM?
   122. TerpNats Posted: November 05, 2009 at 06:46 AM (#3379290)
When the Yankees go to the White House next year, President Obama can ensure his re-election in 2012 by punching pompous hack John Sterling in the face when he begins saying "Duhhhh Yankeeees winnnn!" (he's done it on previous trips to the White House). Even most Yankees fans would applaud that action.
   123. Matt Garza smells it deep (Mr. Tapeworm) Posted: November 05, 2009 at 06:49 AM (#3379292)
Tapeworm, did you actually read the book? Torre didn't actually write the book, Verducci did. Torre's just one of the principal characters.


The things "Verducci said" about various and sundry Yankee players would not have been said without Torre's input. Torre didn't "write" the book, but all the s-talking came from him ...
   124. Tripon Posted: November 05, 2009 at 06:50 AM (#3379293)
And every other damn person quoted in the book.
   125. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: November 05, 2009 at 06:51 AM (#3379295)
Really? A guy who throws one pitch wouldn't seem like he'd have a ton of sage advice to offer.

This. Mariano's a treasure, and I'm privileged to have watched him pitch. But I have no idea why he'd make a good pitching coach. He might be Johnny Sain reborn, but there's no reason to believe that.
   126. Matt Garza smells it deep (Mr. Tapeworm) Posted: November 05, 2009 at 06:52 AM (#3379296)
And every other damn person quoted in the book.


Yes, but mostly Torre ... I also don't give him much credit for the Yankees' World Series wins. He might be good at managing a clubhouse, but managing the team on the field ... not so good ...
   127. Snowboy Posted: November 05, 2009 at 06:54 AM (#3379297)
I believe - and I could be wrong - but Derek Jeter is both the youngest and oldest shortstop to win a World Series.


Younger:
Edgar Renteria, 1997?
Cal Ripken, 1983?
Rabbit Maranville, 1914?
maybe more, I don't know how to search
(also, Wil Cordero would have been younger when the Expos won in 1994.)

Oldest? Maybe. Not many players at any position still active at 36.
   128. Tripon Posted: November 05, 2009 at 06:55 AM (#3379298)
Tapeworm, you're ridiculous.
   129. Snowboy Posted: November 05, 2009 at 06:56 AM (#3379299)
Great series. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
   130. Matt Garza smells it deep (Mr. Tapeworm) Posted: November 05, 2009 at 07:10 AM (#3379301)
Tapeworm, you're ridiculous.


Indeed, I am.
   131.     Hey Gurl Posted: November 05, 2009 at 07:16 AM (#3379303)

WHAT DID JOE TORRE EVER DO FOR US? WHY IS EVERYBODY NOT MORE MAD AT HIM?


For real. #### Joe Torre.
   132. Enrico Pallazzo Posted: November 05, 2009 at 07:18 AM (#3379304)
#### fuck #### fuck #### fuck #### I hate the Yankees.
   133. DCW3 Posted: November 05, 2009 at 07:19 AM (#3379305)
Angel Berroa now has a ring. Think about that for a moment.

Last year a team made it to the NLCS despite giving a plurality of their starts at shortstop to Angel Berroa. Think about that.
   134. Tripon Posted: November 05, 2009 at 07:23 AM (#3379307)

Last year a team made it to the NLCS despite giving a plurality of their starts at shortstop to Angel Berroa. Think about that.


The best part of that is you can argue that he was only the 3rd worst Dodgers SS on that 2008 team.

edit: Actually, 4th worst, I forgot about Luis Maza.
   135. villainx Posted: November 05, 2009 at 07:45 AM (#3379308)
Great season. Congrats Yankee fans and everyone. More fun next year.
   136. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: November 05, 2009 at 07:46 AM (#3379309)
I forgot about Luis Maza.

Geez, so did Luis Maza.
   137. CraigK Posted: November 05, 2009 at 07:47 AM (#3379310)
Obama Admin1 WS title1 year
  Bush Adm
.: 0 titles,   8 years
 Clinton Ad
4 titles,   8 years
Bush Sr    
0 titles,   4 years
Reagan     
0 titles,   8 years
Carter     
2 titles,   4 years
Nixon
-Ford 0 titles,   8 years
Johnson    
0 titles,   8 years
Kennedy    
2 titles,   3 years
Total 
(R)  : 0 titles,  28 years
Total 
(D)  : 9 titles,  24 years 

So, it's clear: If you're a Yankee fan, vote Democratic.
   138. Zach Posted: November 05, 2009 at 07:56 AM (#3379311)
Last year a team made it to the NLCS despite giving a plurality of their starts at shortstop to Angel Berroa. Think about that.

Rookie of the Year, too. Is it too early to start the Hall of Fame debate?
   139. Dr. Vaux Posted: November 05, 2009 at 08:01 AM (#3379312)
So, it's clear: If you're a Yankee fan, vote Democratic.


Yet no one associated with the Yankees ever has!

(Well, Jake Powell might have, but . . .)
   140. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: November 05, 2009 at 10:24 AM (#3379317)
Congrats to the Yankees and their fans.
   141. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: November 05, 2009 at 10:58 AM (#3379321)
Congratulations to the Yankees. Long live U.S. Steel!

Sigh.
   142. sunnyday2 Posted: November 05, 2009 at 11:27 AM (#3379323)
No question the best team won, and anybody who doesn't have the Yankees as the pre-season fave fir 2010 is crazy. I don't see any of the key veterans declining substantially, though Matsui will be gone and Pettitte and Rivera could be getting closer to their swan songs. Still the nucleus is there. But mainly it will be interesting to see if the young pitching "talent" is ready for more of a role. There's no shortage of candidates but that's all they are right now. That and whether they can upgrade at catcher and the OF offense and who's gonna DH with Matsui's departure.

BTW I get that the MVP vote was gonna go like it did. i guess the writers can't remember anything older than this morning. But seriously, 6 RBI or no, Matsui contributed materially to 1 win. There's a half dozen better choices.
   143. sunnyday2 Posted: November 05, 2009 at 11:32 AM (#3379325)
PS. I hope somebody is going to put up a thread on Jimmy Rollins comment that the Phillies are still better than the Yankees. I dunno, is he talking about the Phillies starting pitching? Their 1B? Their SS? What, exactly?
   144. sunnyday2 Posted: November 05, 2009 at 11:36 AM (#3379326)
PPS. NY Daily News poll for Series MVP. Did they miss anybody? (Matsui beats Rivera 51-20 percent, nobody else in double figures.)

World Series 2009 MVP
In your opinion, who was the most valuable player of the 2009 World Series?

Andy Pettitte
Mariano Rivera
CC Sabathia
Alex Rodriguez
Johnny Damon
Hideki Matsui
Derek Jeter
   145. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: November 05, 2009 at 11:40 AM (#3379327)
Rollins bravado is ntertaining.

Hope for Mets fans though. Rollins ability to predict baseball outcomes has been broken!
   146. tfbg9 Posted: November 05, 2009 at 12:05 PM (#3379329)
Congrats to the Yankee fans here. In particular, rLr, RB, sj, just to name a few good guys.
Sorry if I forgot any others.

We'll be OK Phil. :-)
   147. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: November 05, 2009 at 12:21 PM (#3379331)
Congrats, Yankee fans. The best team won, that's for sure.

Congratulations also go to A-Rod, who can now point to his new ring any time some nimrod tells him that he hurts his teams more than he helps them.

Hope for Mets fans though. Rollins ability to predict baseball outcomes has been broken!


Speaking for all Met fans, we can only hope, Harveys...
   148. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: November 05, 2009 at 12:22 PM (#3379332)
Congrats to the Yankee fans here. In particular, rLr, RB, sj, just to name a few good guys.


Joe Dimino, too.
   149. AndrewJ Posted: November 05, 2009 at 12:26 PM (#3379335)
There's still a lot to like about the Phillies in 2010. Adding a 40+ save pitcher in the offseason to a pitching staff of Lee, Happ, Hamels, Blanton, Kendrick and Drabek...
   150. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: November 05, 2009 at 12:30 PM (#3379338)
It's fun to root against NYY, and it's more fun when they've recently won a title. This WS was necessary to restore some of their villain cred.

Congrats to all the Yankee fans here.
   151. AndrewJ Posted: November 05, 2009 at 12:32 PM (#3379339)
So, it's clear: If you're a Yankee fan, vote Democratic.


In 2004 or 2005 the Wall St. Journal op-ed page puckishly commented that ever since self-described Yankee fan Hillary Rodham Clinton represented New York in the Senate, the Yanks hadn't won a World Series.
   152. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: November 05, 2009 at 12:39 PM (#3379342)
PS. I hope somebody is going to put up a thread on Jimmy Rollins comment that the Phillies are still better than the Yankees. I dunno, is he talking about the Phillies starting pitching? Their 1B? Their SS? What, exactly?


He's talking about the Phillies on Earth-S from that alternate universe, Marc. :-)
   153. Misirlou was a Buddhist prodigy Posted: November 05, 2009 at 01:01 PM (#3379347)
the turning point of the season was game 2 in Atlanta., June 24.


You're kidding, right? The turning point in the season was when they added 2 #1 starters and a perennial MVP candidate to a team of perennial MVP candidates.
   154. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 05, 2009 at 01:06 PM (#3379348)
Bah, humbug.
   155. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: November 05, 2009 at 01:21 PM (#3379361)
It just shows you what a little heart and $200M can do.
   156. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: November 05, 2009 at 01:30 PM (#3379367)
he got out of the eighth on a Pedro Feliz popout,
Progress, I tell you, progress. At least it wasn't a weak groundout to third, trying to pull a low and away slider.

I won't have time to read the thread but congrats to the Yankees, they were a better team. The Phillies had no magic, did not play up to their potential on defense, and their bullpen mess* kept them from being able to mount comebacks.

Pettitte was wildly effective enough, certainly better than Pedro

* I believe that every reliever was on the disabled list in the 2nd half of the year except for Madson (who looked arm-weary).
   157. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: November 05, 2009 at 01:52 PM (#3379376)
Go Marlins.
   158. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: November 05, 2009 at 01:58 PM (#3379379)
This. Mariano's a treasure, and I'm privileged to have watched him pitch. But I have no idea why he'd make a good pitching coach. He might be Johnny Sain reborn, but there's no reason to believe that.
Well, the one pitch he throws is the pitch that every batter considers the toughest pitch in baseball to hit, and he teaches it to everybody.

Thanks to all of you for your gracious comments here. I love you guys.

Well, the vast majority of you guys.

EDIT: Even you, DMN. I disagree with almost everything you say non-baseball related, but you're good people.
   159. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: November 05, 2009 at 01:59 PM (#3379381)
I add that it is good, in a way, for there to exist so dependable an evil. Life without an antagonist can be listless and unsure, but the presence of a darkness in the near beyond gives a man or a team purpose and duty. So enjoy, Yankees; I will cherish the coming day when my team or another's may act as the Goths to your Rome.

But congratulations to the Yankee posters here. You guys are crumbelievable.
   160. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: November 05, 2009 at 02:09 PM (#3379392)
Pettitte was wildly effective enough, certainly better than Pedro

I meant to add that Pedro had a bit of bad luck when Victorino played Jeter's flyout into a single, which led to a 2 run inning. But then again, Pedro's pitching was so tenuous that he couldn't overcome that error.
   161. The Original SJ Posted: November 05, 2009 at 02:13 PM (#3379396)
I posted this last night, but it was eaten.

Joe Torre was a huge part of the rebuild of the Yankees franchise and their return to the top. I will always thank Joe Torre for that.

It was a ugly, ugly divorce. He didn't have to do what he did, but that is all over now. If he comes back to the stadium, I will cheer. But now is not the time for all of that.

Hooray Yankees.
   162. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: November 05, 2009 at 02:20 PM (#3379404)
Well, the one pitch he throws is the pitch that every batter considers the toughest pitch in baseball to hit, and he teaches it toeverybody.

That makes him more of a roving instructor type, doesn't it?

i guess the writers can't remember anything older than this morning. But seriously, 6 RBI or no, Matsui contributed materially to 1 win. There's a half dozen better choices.

2/3 with a go-ahead homer in a 3-1 Game 2 win doesn't do anything for you?
   163. Sheer Tim Foli Posted: November 05, 2009 at 02:23 PM (#3379406)
Congrats Yankee fans. Enjoy the parade.
   164. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: November 05, 2009 at 02:24 PM (#3379409)
That makes him more of a roving instructor type, doesn't it?
I love Mo to a possibly dangerous, irrational extent, but while he's happy to teach to everyone the cutter, it's worth noting that no one he's talked to about it--except maybe Halladay--is actually throwing anything close to it.

I will say that he gets a lot of love from young pitchers (relievers, mostly) on the mental part of the game, so I'd see him as a bullpen coach type, someone to handle that element of it while you have a pitching coach to focus on the mechnical.
   165. Sean Forman Posted: November 05, 2009 at 02:26 PM (#3379411)
I have to say that if I'd made $100m in my career with 5 WS rings, that being a bullpen coach would be pretty low on my list of things to do after retirement.
   166. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: November 05, 2009 at 02:32 PM (#3379418)
So enjoy, Yankees; I will cherish the coming day when my team or another's may act as the Goths to your Rome.


What are you talking about? Half the teams in the league regularly sack the Yankees' coffers for loot and riches. It's worse than the Goth's raiding Rome, the Yankees aren't even allowed to mount a defense.
   167. bunyon Posted: November 05, 2009 at 02:34 PM (#3379423)
I should add my congrats to Yankee fans here. I'm genuinely happy good people I know are happy.

Of course, once upon a time I knew a guy pretty well who committed armed robbery and was thrilled with his haul for awhile. I suppose I was happy for him, too. :)
   168. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: November 05, 2009 at 02:38 PM (#3379428)
Also, I wish there was a way to give Mike Mussina something.

He's working on a World Crossword Championship.
   169. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: November 05, 2009 at 02:41 PM (#3379430)
When the Yankees go to the White House next year, President Obama can ensure his re-election in 2012 by punching pompous hack John Sterling in the face when he begins saying "Duhhhh Yankeeees winnnn!" (he's done it on previous trips to the White House). Even most Yankees fans would applaud that action.

I would contribute to the Political Action Committee for this.
   170. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: November 05, 2009 at 02:41 PM (#3379431)
I have to say that if I'd made $100m in my career with 5 WS rings, that being a bullpen coach would be pretty low on my list of things to do after retirement.

Sometimes it helps to be in the right place at the right time. Here you have the greatest reliever in history with five rings, and perhaps the best overall player of his generation nearly crying in joy over his first one. And of course the likes of Ernie Banks and Don Mattingly never got any.

And then you have a nonentity like Frankie Crosetti (career OPS+ 84) who not only earned 16 rings as a player (7) and a coach (9), but by the time he ran out of fingers and thumbs they were giving him engraved shotguns instead. Crosetti was associated with as many World Series winners as Joe Dimaggio and Mickey Mantle combined.
   171. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: November 05, 2009 at 02:46 PM (#3379437)
What are you talking about? Half the teams in the league regularly sack the Yankees' coffers for loot and riches. It's worse than the Goth's raiding Rome, the Yankees aren't even allowed to mount a defense.

Get over it. They won the World Series.
   172. TerpNats Posted: November 05, 2009 at 02:50 PM (#3379443)
So, it's clear: If you're a Yankee fan, vote Democratic.
Jim Farley would agree.
   173. The Original SJ Posted: November 05, 2009 at 02:57 PM (#3379447)
If Mo doesn't want to be a coach or instructor of some kind, we must destroy him so his secrets to not get into the hands of the enemies.
   174. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: November 05, 2009 at 02:59 PM (#3379452)
Nice for the Yankees fans. Still, I guess I'm such a kneejerk iconoclast that it always sort of surprises & disappoints me that there are intelligent people so ... what? lacking in soul & imagination? ... that they actually pull for such teams. I assume they also reflexively cite the Beatles as the Best Band Ever, & some billionaire as Favorite Human Being. And, I dunno, James Michener (a certain co-worker's probable choice, at least post-Shakespeare) or somebody as Greatest Author in History.

How ... sad. And dull.
   175. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: November 05, 2009 at 03:04 PM (#3379458)
But what if you root for the Yankees and the Detroit Lions at the same time? And what if your ten favorite movies are ones that about .0001% of the world's population has ever even heard of? And what if you were just born in New York?
   176. Guapo Posted: November 05, 2009 at 03:04 PM (#3379459)
Ripping Yankees fans doesn't make you a kneejerk iconoclast, it makes you one of the herd.
   177. salajander Posted: November 05, 2009 at 03:06 PM (#3379461)
There's enough pain and suffering in life already. I'm sure as hell not going to waste my sports fandom on, say, the Mets.

(Hat tip to Paul Simon.)
   178. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: November 05, 2009 at 03:07 PM (#3379462)
Rooting for the Yankees doesn't make you a better person or a better baseball fan.

Rooting against the Yankees doesn't make you a better person or a better baseball fan.

It's baseball. It's not something that's actually important.
   179. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: November 05, 2009 at 03:07 PM (#3379463)
I guess I'm such a kneejerk iconoclast that it always sort of surprises & disappoints me that there are intelligent people so ... what? lacking in soul & imagination? ... that they actually pull for such teams.

The word for these people is "New Yorkers." Now, you might object to those who come from New York, but Yankees fans generally support that team for reasons of geography or genealogy. Sports rooting is not a matter of morality or spirit.
   180. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: November 05, 2009 at 03:07 PM (#3379466)
Get over it. They won the World Series.


Hey, I didn't make the ridiculous analogy. They won because they were the better team.
   181. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: November 05, 2009 at 03:11 PM (#3379470)
And what if you were just born in New York?


Then you get a pass. I should've been more specific -- it's the non-NYer Yankee devotees whom I find rather, ummm, questionable (not that they, or anyone else, should give a damn about my opinion in the matter).

I'm the same way with regard to the Celtics, Lakers & Cowboys (& probably other teams not coming to mind at the moment) -- it's perfectly understandable if you love the historic overdogs because you're from New England, or LA, or Texas. If you're from somewhere else & you glom onto some super-$ucce$$ful franchise, there just may be something wrong with you inside. Or not.

I have no idea if Guapo has some sort of geographical or familial grounds for saying such a silly thing. I'm assuming he does.
   182. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: November 05, 2009 at 03:11 PM (#3379471)
Half the teams in the league regularly sack the Yankees' coffers for loot and riches. It's worse than the Goth's raiding Rome, the Yankees aren't even allowed to mount a defense.

Or they are paying off the ruthless salary cap Goths, to keep them from changing the parameters to equal playing field.
   183. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: November 05, 2009 at 03:11 PM (#3379472)
I have a hard time begruding the Yankees doing a great job of leveraging their brand to make money.

The only issue I have is MLB giving the Yanks (and Mets) the ability to keep a third team from being installed in the region since everything indicates one could be supported.
   184. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: November 05, 2009 at 03:17 PM (#3379478)
The only issue I have is MLB giving the Yanks (and Mets) the ability to keep a third team from being installed in the region since everything indicates one could be supported.

The Nationals should have gone to New York when they left Montreal/San Juan. I also wanted the Devil Rays to move to Washington at that time.
   185. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: November 05, 2009 at 03:18 PM (#3379481)
Rooting against the Yankees doesn't make you a better person or a better baseball fan.


Of course it doesn't.

And loving, say, reality TV (I actually know & otherwise respect people who do) or Britney Spears (one occasionally encounters such people on the 'net; I'm pretty sure I've never run across such an individual in the flesh) or whatever doesn't mean you're seriously taste-impaired.

Though, y'know, it does raise the distinct possibility that that's the case ...
   186. SoSH U at work Posted: November 05, 2009 at 03:21 PM (#3379483)
Then you get a pass. I should've been more specific -- it's the non-NYer Yankee devotees whom I find rather, ummm, questionable (not that they, or anyone else, should give a damn about my opinion in the matter).


As someone who grew up a Red Sox fan in New York (dad was from New England, so that usually gets me a pass from people who have some strange need to place parameters on proper fandom), I've never seen anything particularly admirable about rooting for the team just because most everyone else in your neighborhood roots for the same team. If some oversized kid in Colorado Springs became a Yankee fan this year because he identifies with CC, more power to him.
   187. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: November 05, 2009 at 03:24 PM (#3379488)
Or they are paying off the ruthless salary cap Goths, to keep them from changing the parameters to equal playing field.


Those parameters protect the Goths from being pillaged by the Mongols too. They were in place long before Alaric was born as well.
   188. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: November 05, 2009 at 03:25 PM (#3379489)
it's the non-NYer Yankee devotees whom I find rather, ummm, questionable
There's nothing wrong with being a bandwagon fan, so long as you admit that's what you are.

It's baseball. It's entertainment. People are more entertained by winning than losing, so many people will root for a winner, because that's more fun for them. If they're upfront about it, I don't have any problem with it.
   189. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: November 05, 2009 at 03:26 PM (#3379490)
And what if you were just born in New York?

Then you get a pass. I should've been more specific -- it's the non-NYer Yankee devotees whom I find rather, ummm, questionable (not that they, or anyone else, should give a damn about my opinion in the matter).

I'm the same way with regard to the Celtics, Lakers & Cowboys (& probably other teams not coming to mind at the moment) -- it's perfectly understandable if you love the historic overdogs because you're from New England, or LA, or Texas. If you're from somewhere else & you glom onto some super-$ucce$$ful franchise, there just may be something wrong with you inside. Or not.


Well, I was definitely born in New York, but I don't think that anyone should have to apologize for rooting for excellence that shows itself outside one's home city, especially if it's a case of adopting a team like the Yankees or the Lakers as a backup team when your hometown team is so poorly run that it has no chance of competing. I love the Redskins, but I can't possibly root for any team owned by anyone like Dan Snyder, so I now root for the Ravens.

And sometimes rooting just a matter of a flukish set of circumstances. I started rooting for the North Carolina basketball team when I learned that all five Carolina starters were natives of New York City. And that fandom easily survived my years at Duke when Duke dominated the ACC, and a fair number of down years since then.

You may root for a team because you like a particular player, or the team's style of play, or because you like the coach. You may even root for a team on an ad hoc basis, the way Yankee haters or Cowboys haters do every year. There are plenty of reasons beyond the lemminglike impulse to root for a winner, and in most cases there's nothing wrong with any of them.
   190. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: November 05, 2009 at 03:29 PM (#3379492)
One of my buddies from the war grew up in the Bay area and has his firm out there. His son spent some time in NY where the grandsons were all born. Eventually they moved back to Bay area. It pains my pal to no end that his grandsons are Yankee fans and snub the Giants. And A's. His wife goes turncoat and buys them Yankee items for Christmas/birthdays.
   191. JC in DC Posted: November 05, 2009 at 03:29 PM (#3379493)
So, perhaps it's been discussed, but does Pettitte's performance last night vindicate Girardi or not, Andy?
   192. Juan V Posted: November 05, 2009 at 03:29 PM (#3379494)
Back to rooting for Real Madrid then...

Wow. Yankees, Real Madrid.... why am I even allowed to root for sports teams?
   193. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: November 05, 2009 at 03:30 PM (#3379495)
I give JC credit for sticking with the Raiders. When the Packers were bad in the 80's at least they weren't a laughingstock. They would win enough to keep you interested. And when Lynn Dickey was qb the offense was always competitive. The defense stunk.

But the Raiders and the Browns? Yowsa. That taxes a fan.......
   194. Guapo Posted: November 05, 2009 at 03:32 PM (#3379497)
I have no idea if Guapo has some sort of geographical or familial grounds for saying such a silly thing. I'm assuming he does.

Your explanation makes your comment much more reasonable. Not sure what I said that you think was silly.

Just browsing online I found a Gallup poll from 2001 that said that 15% of sports fans identify the Yankees as their favorite baseball team, making them the most popular single team. (Atlanta was second at 11%. I wouldn't be surprised if Boston has overtaken them since.) Assuming that hasn't changed much since then, that's roughly 85% of baseball fans that root against the Yankees. I don't think Yankee fans are complaining, but it's hardly an iconoclastic point of view to criticize Yankee fans as front-runners.

As for what you meant to say, I think casual non-NY area fans who glom on to the Yankees are casual fans, so they don't really care if their payroll is $100 million or $200 million or whatever.

But I do think there are non-casual non-NY area fans who may be drawn to the Yankees by their history, as opposed to their competitive advantages. I know that when I was a kid (growing up in southern Connecticut in the mid-80s) our local teams were the NY teams, and both the Yankees and Mets were equally good. The major reason I went with the Yankees was I was enthralled by the history. Ruth, Gehrig, Mantle, DiMaggio and all that.
   195. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: November 05, 2009 at 03:33 PM (#3379500)
Yankees, Real Madrid.... why am I even allowed to root for sports teams?

Because Royal Dutch Shell doesn't have a fan club.
   196. Sheer Tim Foli Posted: November 05, 2009 at 03:34 PM (#3379501)
Bah. It's the Yankees' day/week. We should let them celebrate without snark for a few days.
   197. Guapo Posted: November 05, 2009 at 03:37 PM (#3379508)
It's the Yankees' <strike>day/week.</strike> decade.

:)

Now you don't have to feel guilty about being snarky.
   198. Sheer Tim Foli Posted: November 05, 2009 at 03:39 PM (#3379510)
Now you don't have to feel guilty about being snarky.

Ha, nice. I'll resume my Yankee bashing on Monday. I'll keep this close to my heart until then.
   199. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: November 05, 2009 at 03:45 PM (#3379520)
Not sure what I said that you think was silly.


Silly in the sense that I am a kneejerk iconoclast, irrespective of whether I dislike the Yankees or not. That doesn't make me somehow superior (or inferior, I hope) to anyone else, but it's no less a fact.

(I grew up hating the Cowboys, for instance, because they were just about universally popular in southwest Arkansas. And when I moved to Arizona to go to grad school -- this was more than a decade before the Diamondbacks came into existence -- I developed a certain antipathy toward the Dodgers because they were by far the most popular team in Phoenix, aka LA Jr. ... even though the AAA franchise was a Giants' farm team.)

(Hey, I'm a negative person. I admit it. I hate, or at least dislike, far more teams than I've ever liked. I love rebel leagues -- the ABA, WFL, WHA -- & often wind up despising the leagues that drive them out of business. Federal League forever!)
   200. The Marksist Posted: November 05, 2009 at 04:02 PM (#3379548)
I'm late to the party, but wanted to say congrats to the Yanks and their fans.
Page 2 of 3 pages  < 1 2 3 > 

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.

 

 

<< Back to main

BBTF Partner

Support BBTF

donate

Thanks to
Harveys Wallbangers
for his generous support.

Bookmarks

You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Hot Topics

NewsblogThe Jeff Jacobs HOF Ballot: Keep The Voting Serious And Fair
(48 - 5:21pm, Dec 21)
Last: John Northey

NewsblogMarty Noble's HOF Ballot
(34 - 5:20pm, Dec 21)
Last: cmd600

NewsblogOT: Politics - December 2014: Baseball & Politics Collide in New Thriller
(5190 - 5:19pm, Dec 21)
Last: bobm

NewsblogJUNICHI TAZAWA & CULTURE OF DENIAL
(3 - 5:19pm, Dec 21)
Last: vortex of dissipation

NewsblogOT: Monthly NBA Thread - December 2014
(768 - 5:19pm, Dec 21)
Last: PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth)

NewsblogThe 2015 HOF Ballot Collecting Gizmo!
(170 - 5:14pm, Dec 21)
Last: bobm

NewsblogOT: NFL/NHL thread
(9201 - 5:14pm, Dec 21)
Last: PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth)

NewsblogDetermining Hall vote is no easy task | New York Post
(18 - 5:04pm, Dec 21)
Last: Booey

NewsblogThe Yankees’ plan in case A-Rod can’t play at all
(20 - 5:01pm, Dec 21)
Last: Win Big Stein's Money

NewsblogGetting ready to gamble on Jung-Ho Kang | FOX Sports
(6 - 4:13pm, Dec 21)
Last: smileyy

NewsblogRuben Amaro Jr. says it would be best if Phillies move on from Ryan Howard
(44 - 4:02pm, Dec 21)
Last: What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face?

NewsblogOT: Soccer December 2014
(338 - 3:50pm, Dec 21)
Last: Mefisto

NewsblogSunday Notes: Low Strikes and Winter Deals | FanGraphs Baseball
(1 - 2:59pm, Dec 21)
Last: Walt Davis

Hall of MeritMost Meritorious Player: 1960 Ballot
(11 - 2:37pm, Dec 21)
Last: bjhanke

NewsblogA Salute to Sy Berger, From a Card-Carrying Fan - NYTimes.com
(4 - 2:25pm, Dec 21)
Last: eddieot

Page rendered in 0.6313 seconds
48 querie(s) executed