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Thursday, May 22, 2014

MLB.com: Rangers’ Prince Fielder out for rest of season; Jurickson Profar likely out for season too

The little-known eleventh plague of Yahweh was the Plague of Season-Ending Injuries

DETROIT—Rangers first baseman Prince Fielder is expected to undergo surgery on Tuesday to repair a herniated disk in his neck and miss the rest of the season. Second baseman Jurickson Profar could also miss the rest of the season as the Rangers were hit with another double dose of bad injury news on Thursday.

Fielder, who was examined by Dr. Drew Dossett on Thursday, is seeking a second opinion but has told the Rangers that he wants to get the surgery done now. The recovery time is 3-4 months, there is a high rate of success and the Rangers are hopeful he will be at full strength in Spring Training. But he is likely done for this year.

“We’re looking forward to getting this guy healthy and seeing what he can do,” general manager Jon Daniels said. “But that’s in 2015 and beyond. We’re going to miss this guy.”

Esoteric Posted: May 22, 2014 at 10:06 PM | 20 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 23, 2014 at 08:02 AM (#4711955)
best to prince in his recovery

but what is the history of returning at full strength from similar injuries? my experience via observation (lot of neck disk injuries in the farming community) is that it saps the strength. you can get back to 80/90 percent to what you were but not 100 percent. and the docs warn you about that.

probably different for athletes.

yes, wiseguys, prince counts as an athlete
   2. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: May 23, 2014 at 08:08 AM (#4711958)
I'm more inclined to presume it's not different for athletes unless I see evidence otherwise. Peyton Manning came back and played effectively, though physically he was nowhere near his previous level. It's just that Peyton Manning can still play well with only 80% of his previous arm strength. I'm more skeptical that Prince Fielder can survive in the majors with only 80% of his previous bat speed, if it comes to that.

Manning was in his late 30s, of course, but then Manning wasn't shaped like a bowling ball.

Profar's injury sounds much more worrisome for a Rangers fan. At the very least it sounds like he is now permanently a second baseman, as his days of being able to throw a baseball harder than I can are probably over.
   3. depletion Posted: May 23, 2014 at 08:37 AM (#4711972)
I don't know how they "repair" a herniated disc. I had one, C6-7, and they removed the disc, fused the bone and added a titanium plate. I was out of the hospital in a day. The only way it affected me 'athletically' was in terms of flexibility. If Fielder was a shortstop, a gymnast or a basketball player I could foresee problems. But his game is to stand there and mash the ball, so hopefully he'll be OK.
   4. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 23, 2014 at 08:44 AM (#4711973)
I don't know how they "repair" a herniated disc. I had one, C6-7, and they removed the disc, fused the bone and added a titanium plate. I was out of the hospital in a day. The only way it affected me 'athletically' was in terms of flexibility. If Fielder was a shortstop, a gymnast or a basketball player I could foresee problems. But his game is to stand there and mash the ball, so hopefully he'll be OK.

I think flexibility plays a huge role in bat speed. If can't efficiently torque your upper body, you won't be hitting the ball hard.
   5. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 23, 2014 at 08:53 AM (#4711977)
And so it began, the Curse of the Kinsler.
   6. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: May 23, 2014 at 08:55 AM (#4711978)
Seriously. Rangers fans are probably starting to think, "Can we just take an 0-162 season instead and then move on?"
   7. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 23, 2014 at 09:11 AM (#4711981)
I wonder if Fielder might benefit from the rehab process. That will be sort of an enforced fitness program and might be beneficial. Obviously it's never good when someone needs this sort of surgery but I can see it having a side benefit.
   8. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: May 23, 2014 at 11:07 AM (#4712037)
Seriously. Rangers fans are probably starting to think, "Can we just take an 0-162 season instead and then move on?"

No! The Rangers must regroup and start searching for replacements for Profar and Fielder. I recommend Ryan Howard and a young phenom named Freddy Galvis.
   9. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: May 23, 2014 at 11:28 AM (#4712058)
Dave Winfield had surgery to repair a herniated disk, then can back at age 38 and hit 274/348/473 (127 OPS+) over the next three years. One should note that Winfield's injury was (IIRC) lower down the back, and Winfield was of course vastly more athletic than Prince.

EDIT: At least by dWAR, Winfield went from being a subpar outfielder to being a bad one. No way of telling at this point how much of that was the injury and how much was just age.
   10. Willie Mayspedester Posted: May 23, 2014 at 12:22 PM (#4712097)
Man what a pain in the neck.
   11. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: May 23, 2014 at 01:30 PM (#4712138)
Any GM who trades with Soothsayer Dombrowski going forward is a fool!
   12. Flack42 Posted: May 23, 2014 at 01:36 PM (#4712143)
Does anyone know whether the Rangers have any recourse with the Tigers, especially if the Tigers were aware of and did not disclose the condition? Or are these deals "as is"?
   13. bunyon Posted: May 23, 2014 at 01:47 PM (#4712150)
I wonder if Fielder might benefit from the rehab process. That will be sort of an enforced fitness program and might be beneficial. Obviously it's never good when someone needs this sort of surgery but I can see it having a side benefit.

I heard a surgeon on MLB talk about pitchers coming back from Tommy John surgery "better than ever". His take was there was no way for that to be true due to the surgery but that it was very likely pitchers who had never taken great care of themselves got in the "best shape of their lives" through rehab. And that being in much better shape, with an arm at 90% of pre-injury strength, was better than where they used to be. He had no data but it was interesting theory. John Smoltz agreed with him, saying he was in much better shape after rehab but that he had to learn to pitch with his new, and in his opinion, inferior arm.

EDIT: Of course, we all probably know, um, big folks, who don't do the rehab and are disasters after surgery. I think I recall reading that, despite his weight, Prince works pretty hard. I hope so.
   14. Good cripple hitter Posted: May 23, 2014 at 02:05 PM (#4712155)
Does anyone know whether the Rangers have any recourse with the Tigers, especially if the Tigers were aware of and did not disclose the condition? Or are these deals "as is"?


This came up when the Jays traded for Mike Sirotka and promptly discovered that he had an undisclosed shoulder injury. They appealed to Selig, and they got nothing. Selig's decision was:

"The 'caveat emptor' rule, as developed in baseball, to which exceptions are exceedingly rare, is meant to decrease the potential for disputes by placing the burden on the acquiring club to seek the medical information it feels it needs... It is my wish and expectation that disputes such as this will be rare, and that clubs will continue to deal with each other in trade matters in a forthright and professional manner."


So the Rangers don't have any recourse here.
   15. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 23, 2014 at 02:14 PM (#4712161)
there is a presumption that because he's built like a beer barrel that fielder does not effectively train his body. the case is that fielder works pretty hard to get to this level of conditioning. before he entered pro ball and received better guidance and access to better facilities fielder was even BIGGER.

and to his credit fielder has stayed in the lineup regularly for a good long time at produced.

i just think the notion that fielder could lose 40 odd pounds 'if he really tried' is a bit misguided. he had already lost 40 odd pounds to get to this playing weight.

   16. depletion Posted: May 23, 2014 at 02:49 PM (#4712182)
snapper - The loss of flexibility I was referring to is in the neck only. Shoulders, arms, torso, hips and the rest should be good to go, at least if my problem is the same as his. Judging from the fact that he's taking so much time off, I think my C6-7 issue is NOT what he has. If his issue is lower in the spinal cord, getting into the back, then he may have a quite different recovery.
   17. Walt Davis Posted: May 23, 2014 at 05:52 PM (#4712314)
It's possible that going to war saved Feller's arm. :-)
   18. valuearbitrageur Posted: May 23, 2014 at 06:35 PM (#4712347)
Why is most of the article/discussion about Fielder? He was already a sunk cost as soon as the trade was made. The much bigger issue is Profar's health, who was a potential superstar with nearly 6 years of team control left.
   19. Walt Davis Posted: May 24, 2014 at 02:07 AM (#4712481)
Because Fielder is the famous name.

Because Fielder was the major offseason acquisition.

Because Fielder has been mysteriously ineffective so it's, y'know, a mystery.

Because Profar was already hurt, hadn't played yet this year and so this is more an update than it is real news.
   20. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: May 24, 2014 at 07:57 AM (#4712500)
And because while Profar is an excellent prospect he hasn't actually produced at the big league level. Even without injuries it wouldn't be unheard of for him to not amount to anything. Fielder was at least an average to all star quality player in his career.

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