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1. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: August 26, 2008 at 12:38 AM (#2915940)Joe Carter played for the Indians?
The funniest thing about that trade is, I distinctly remember the headlines reading "Expos acquire Colon for Stevens, 3 minor leaguers"
Sizemore has a 129 OPS+ in the last three seasons, A-Rod is at 161. A-Rod is 104-20 SB-CS, Sizemore is 89-19, so he gains nothing there. And he's only one spot ahead on the defensive spectrum. So basically Sizemore would have to be a really, really awesome CF and A-Rod would have to suck at third.
Sizemore is one of the best but I think A-Rod is clearly better. I'm not sure whether I'd rather have Sizemore or Mauer (133 OBP-heavy OPS+ in the last three seasons, but some obvious durability concerns).
If I knew this was such a big deal, I would have done it.
My percentage of drunk and stupid is higher because when I added up those numbers, I got 105.
Well, Sizemore was better in 06 and he's better this year, but A-rod was WAY better last year. I think it's pretty close.
I've got Sizemore at 17.5 WAR (6.2, 5.8, 5.4) and Rodriguez at 17.4 (4.1, 8.6, 4.6) through 8/24. Position is +1.2 to Sizemore, playing time/lineup position is +.8, and fielding relative to position is +3.3, making up Rodriguez's 5.1-win advantage on offense.
By measuring against replacement, haven't you already corrected for playing time differences? That's the main point of measuring against replacement rather than average.
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that boy like KFC - finger lickin good
i'll have some of that for dessert after i get finished with bradley awes-much
Drunk, stupid and bad at math is no way to go through life, son.
The playing time advantage [stems from] the replacement adjustment.
How does Brett Gardner fit into this conversation?
Joe Carter played for the Indians?
Carter was the Indian when I was a kid. In retrospect, he wasn't as good a player as Butler or Franco, but at the time he was pretty universally (at least in the Cleveland area) regarded as the franchise player for several years.
Of course, this was before most people really grasped the significance of OBP.
And he made one of the most infamous SI covers of the decade, if not all time.
Not likely. (Hell, how COULD a team that highly touted finish much worse? They were picked by at least one major publication as the AL's best team, and ended up with the worst record in baseball.)
1987 Cleveland Indians: Best 100 Loss Team Ever?
Maybe. They actually had a pretty good lineup. Their pitching staff might've been competitive at Williamsport.
Swindell and Farrell were too young, Niekro and Steve Carlton were too old, and Ken Schrom wasn't really any good to begin with. All that left was Candiotti.
A 40/40 year! Let's see Grady do that.
A-Rod has 55 SB, 10 CS. Not sure where you got 104-20 from.
A 40/40 year! Let's see Grady do that.
Ken Schrom was an All-Star? In 1986? I have no memory of that person. This is frightening.
Probably because you had a 40/40 year in the late 80s
What made that cover infamous? The assertion that Cory Snyder was a slugger?
What made that cover infamous? The assertion that Cory Snyder was a slugger?
The assertion that the soon-to-be-61-and-101 Indians were the best team in baseball.
From 1981-1986, every AL East team won the division once, except the Indians. 1987 was their turn.
Whoops, the 104-20 is since 2004 and not 2006.
The five-team AL Central has been in existence since 1994, but the division has been won by only three teams:
Cleveland: 7 times
Minnesota: 4 times
Chicago: 3 times
Detroit hasn't finished in first place since 1987; KC, since 1985. I assume that a similar phenomenon exists in the AL East.
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