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1. PASTE is not impressed by Albert Pujols (Zeth) Posted: July 27, 2008 at 12:09 AM (#2875696)And to think that they've accomplished all this without signing Barry Bonds. Who'd a-thunk it?
I dunno if I share your optimism here; not with Messers Rasner and Ponson still in the rotation.
Add a healthy Wang to this team, and I agree.
I dunno if I share your optimism here; not with Messers Rasner and Ponson still in the rotation.
Add a healthy Wang to this team, and I agree.
There's a reasonable chance that by the end of the month Rasner and / or Ponson could be replaced by Washburn and / or Kennedy. Right or wrong, I'm still bullish on Kennedy.
But even without that, the big difference now is that not only is the bullpen a lot deeper, it's being used in a way that none of the individual pitchers are likely to burn out at the end of the year, the way that Gordon and Proctor (etc.) did. This is to Girardi's everlasting credit, and I'm glad I was wrong about his replacement of Torre.
Not saying that it wouldn't be nice to improve those 4th and 5th slots, but Ponson and Rasner this year may not be nearly as fatal as they would have been in the recent past.
Cano's OPS before the break was .643. It's .710 now. In 8 games! It's been unreal to watch him hit.
Having said that, I'm pretty happy that the Yankees have come roaring back, and there are plenty of reasons for optimism going forward, even with Posada and Matsui out for the year (Nady may not be as good as Matsui, but he's better than Gardner/Christian, so the drop off isn't huge).
Now that Cano is back, Melky is starting to get some hits (he is) and with Bruney, IPK, Hughes and Wang coming back in the near future, the Yanks have as good a chance as anyone at going to the playoffs.
Once there, who knows, but the way this year was looking, that is no small achievement.
As to Ponson/Rassner, if I'm Cashman, I'd ride those two out even if Seattle is willing to salary-dump Washburn, EXCEPT if Washburn waives his no-trade once he's in NY. While I would like to have Washburn on the 2008 Yanks, I'm not sure he's that necessary in 2009.....
I'll log my prediction here as Yankees 95-67, Red Sox 91-71, Rays 87-75.
Prediction 2: Derek Jeter will win the MVP this year. He'll play hot in the second half, the Yankees win the division, and the writers collectively exclaim, "oh ####, we haven't given our patron god an MVP yet!?" and that will be that.
Zelasko is an idiot and Grace is a classless dick for not bailing Rosenthal out before he finally had to say yes or no. Weird to watch.
I dunno. Even if we assume that Wang can stay healthy (and this hasn't been proven to me yet), Pettitte and Mussina are a year older and re-signing both is by no means a sure thing. We haven't seen Hughes or IPK effective and healthy for an entire year yet. I'm pretty sure that Washburn would be worthy of a rotation spot in '09.
Well, let's not go overboard. Much of Girardi's success with the bullpen is that almost everyone has been successful -- had only, say, Veras been pitching well, he may have pitched him into the ground just like Torre.
Which comes first, the chicken or the egg? Maybe I'm just parroting the CW, but it seems to me that much of that improved bullpen performance has to do with its being used in a more focused and intelligent way. Obviously this alone isn't a magic bullet, but it doesn't surprise me that pitchers who know their roles, and can count on not being buried and forgotten, might be more productive than pitchers who have little idea as to what their roles are. Just a thought.
We could run a number of scenarios, but realistically, the Yanks could easily end up with a rotation of C.C., Wang, Joba, Moose and Pettitte, with Hughes and IPK as starters 6 and 7 on the depth chart (Aceves and Horne would probably be No. 8 and 9).
Washburn doesn't fit in that scenario.
He DOES fit in a scenario where the Yanks don't sign C.C. (or Sheets), and one of Pettitte or Moose decide to retire.
(At that point, the Yanks rotation is Wang, Joba, one of Moose/Pettitte, with Hughes and IPK rounding out the rotation).
I saw that, and all I could think of was the sort of reaction it might get here. Mark Grace!!
I know that Zelasko was likely just trying to provide Grace with a glowing moment, but every time that woman opens her mouth, she subtracts from the sum of human knowledge.
Not that most of Kennedy's choices were any better. It was as if he were picking candidates for the Hall of the Very Overrated.
Yeah, but they've gone 8-0 against above .500 teams, and even though the A's are somewhat worse than they were before the trades, two of those teams are playoff caliber. That's pretty impressive to do so well against this kind of competition.
We could run a number of scenarios, but realistically, the Yanks could easily end up with a rotation of C.C., Wang, Joba, Moose and Pettitte, with Hughes and IPK as starters 6 and 7 on the depth chart (Aceves and Horne would probably be No. 8 and 9).
I'll be surprised if they don't leave at least one spot for one of the two young guns next season. I'll be very surprised. Hopefully Pettitte ##### off and Moose comes back.
He's a Yankees-young 34, and hasn't had a full-season ERA+ below 95 in this century. He's a lefty, and he's generally good for about 200 IP per year. My level of optimism is clearly different from yours, but I can't think of a Yankee team in the last ten years that would not want for that kind of production in the rotation.
I don't particularly like Pettitte and I'm preparing to be pissed off when the Yanks resign him instead of Moose this offseason.
FWIW, I'm pretty sure that if Moose pitches next year, it'll be in NY or Balty. And I think NY gets the nod, maybe 75/25.
I think CC will get crazy money from someone besides the Yankees, so they'll be room for both Moose and Andy. Andy's obviously the much better bet to be effective for 1-3 more years. He still has good stuff.
Could you explain what specifically will cause them to only play at a .450 clip the rest of the way?
First one beginning August 4 is TEX/LAA/MIN. August heat in Dallas to start, then two playoff contenders, with multiple time zone switches.
Second one beginning September 1 is DET/TAM/SEA/LAA. The Tigers is a makeup game, and while they'll only have one time zone switch it's still four cities, with a night game in Tampa in the finale of that series before having to take a redeye and then play the next night in Seattle.
For the record, my prediction is that the Rays win the division, Yanks take the WC, and the Red Sox stay home. The last two could flip easily, however - the separation between them will be only a game or two.
If that were to happen, Jeter would be one of the oldest first time MVPs in history. Only Hank Sauer (35), Dennis Eckersley (37), and Willie Stargell (38) would be older at the time of their first honor.
1. The Rays are lucky to be 60-42. Their Pythag is 55-47. This is an indicator of modest decline in W-L going forward (which appears to have already begun).
2. I think Carlos Pena's 2007 was a fluke, and his 2008 first half was closer to what you're going to get from him. He won't improve much.
3. They've gotten strong performance from several hitters (Dioner Navarro, Evan Longoria, Eric Hinske) that, collectively, I expect will drop off.
4. Setting Pena aside as I've already explained my stance on him, I don't see any hitters they should expect notable improvement from in the second half, except maybe B.J. Upton.
5. Edwin Jackson is going to turn into a pumpkin.
6. While there are several guys in their bullpen whose peripherals support their excellent ERAs (wow, what happened to turn Grant Balfour into Joe Nathan?) I just don't trust their bullpen to keep it up.
I was along with general (sabermetric) wisdom in March that they'd be around 86, 88 wins this year, and I think that's where they'll end up after a first half a little over their heads. Of course I could be wrong, but that's what I think.
To the contrary, this is the best time to be one: all the games seem to matter more now.
Also, I'm expecting them to play worse than an 86 win team in the second half, for the reasons I listed.
I can certainly understand what you're saying though, with the "just trying to keep things interesting" attitude. Nothing wrong with that.
This may have fit four years ago, but now?
You don't think Carl Crawford is due to improve on his 83 OPS+? Jason Bartlett is also hitting significantly lower than he has in the past.
Of course I could be wrong, but that's what I think.
You think everything is going to go wrong, no wonder you think they'll suck. Scott Kazmir missed significant time in the first half, he'll be around for the stretch and that alone makes a big difference. I wish it'll be as easy as you think to bump em out, but they're in first by two and three games and I don't see anything resembling an unsustainable pace for any of the guys on the team, including the guys you listed. I think they're going to be in it until the end.
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