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1. Justin T seeks a heterospecific consortship Posted: October 14, 2007 at 02:54 AM (#2575231)Would Byrnes work for FOX during the WS if Arizona's eliminated? That might get me to root for them.
What did Bradley say?
Pretty much. The Rockies have been a bit luckier, but I think the D-backs' bigger problem is that they have been playing stupid baseball while the Rockies have not. Neither team is playing great.
Anyway, Milton Bradley was right: Byrnes is the king of scripted pratfalls. And he's all talk, to boot.
Of course his commentary quoted above is silly. What the hell do you expect from a partisan?
concur
Isn't that true of all Irish literature?
Maybe he should write for Baseball Prospectus.
Some other famous quotations:
"The Indians didn't win the game, I lost it on behalf of our team. It was getting late and cold here in Boston, and Manny wanted to go home and be Manny, so I took one for the team and gave up the game." --Eric Gagne, 2007
"The Russians didn't win the battle of Stalingrad. Paulus was sick and tired of the Russian winter and the incessant Russian attacks that were crapping his style, so he decided to surrender and go on an extended holiday in Siberia." --Adolf Hitler, 1943
Byrnes is far too stupid to have any conception of subtlety.
Uh-oh. Bradley tries much harder--so hard that he tears his American Civil Liberties Union in the time between the action.
Didn't Byrnes almost drown a dog on national television?
Eric Byrnes is right. Anyone who watched the two games will tell you that the Rockies have basically sucked offensively. Doug Davis has as many extra base hits as the entire Rockies lineup over the last two games, for fk's sake. The Rockies have been more efficient when they've had their runners on base. Their "big" innings were: the inning in which they scored 3 runs off Webb, on a bunch of bloops and grunts, including 2 out single by Hawpe on a hanging curve; the inning where Helton scored off Davis after Reynolds let the ball go between his legs, and then Torrealbla's flair caught the chalk; and the inning where Spilborgh reached on a foul ball that curved fair and hit the 3b bag... after which Valverde lost the strike zone. The Rockies have indeed been about as lucky as a team can be to score runs the last two games, considering how pathetic they've been at the plate. And yes, the Dbacks have been quite unlucky. It's just the cold reality. You can rip Byrnes for saying it, and he probably should've been keeping quiet, since his struggles in his at bats have nothing to do with luck and everything to do with his suckitude, but basically, Byrnes is right.
The Rockies played GREAT defense in game 2, that wasn't luck. Their pitchers have been pretty damn good, that wasn't luck either, so I will give them plenty of credit. Webb pitched better than his line in game 1, Davis pitched pretty well in game 2, and the bullpen has been great both nights, even Valverde, who just ran out of gas and was left in too long by Melvin.
Miracles happen. Livan winning tonight would be a miracle. But if he can, I have a really good feeling, because I just think Owings will come up big. As improbable as it seems from watching the first two games, Webb pitching a game 5 with the series tied 2-2 just doesn't seem like such a long shot, IF Livan can pitch well tonight and hold the fort.
As for Byrnes comments, of course the Rockies have gotten all the breaks these two games and the D backs got none. It happens. But the D backs haven't played well enough to overcome the bad breaks, so it's a moot point.
First 2 games of NLCS:
COL: 15 hits, 1 XBH, 0 HR, 16 TB, 11 BB, 22 K, .211 BA, .313 OBP, .225 SLG, .539 OPS, 8 runs
ARI: 18 hits, 4 XBH, 0 HR, 22 TB, 6 BB, 18 K, .247 BA, .329 OBP, .301 SLG, .631 OPS, 3 runs
The Dbacks have sucked offensively at the plate, but the Rockies have truly been the biggest bunch of sucks who ever sucked. Except that they scored 8 runs, and the Dbacks scored 3 runs.
That's baseball.
Well, sure. But it really comes down to the fact that the Rockies have caught the breaks when the Dbacks made mistakes, and the Dbacks came up short when the Rockies made mistakes. Some of that is skill, most of it is luck. And to give credit to the Rockies, they haven't given any extra outs to AZ, and have punished the DBacks whenever they've made mistakes. So that's certainly skill.
Of course it's not such a longshot if Livan can hold the fort. That's the longshot.
TBS deserves to have the lowest rated NLCS in playoff history. A bunch of sucks.
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Weather forecast for game time: 42 F, feels like 36 F, showers, 10 mph wind
I know you're testy right now, but so am I. I'm paralyzed with excitement over possibly getting to see a "Rocks defeat Dbacks: How Sweep It Feels!" post on the Newsblog tomorrow night.
What part of "miracle" don't you understand? The "mi", the "ra", or the "cle"?
It's 38 and rainy here now, just an ugly day. I'm glad I don't have tickets for tonight.
Tomorrow it's supposed to be 57, and 64 on Tuesday, sunny both days. If they (wisely) postpone tonight's game, it will be very easy to get the next three games in before Thursday.
What part of that don't you understand?
And would the fans in Denver really care? It's not like they haven't watched sporting events in inclement weather before.
Don't get my hopes up!
No. What was unnecessary was the part in his original post where he said he didn't think it was a longshot that the series could be 2-2 if Livan held the fort in Game 3. Which is why I essentially said 'No duh.'
The Dbacks had chances, especially early on, and the Rockies got key outs when they had to, including 3 double plays. The Rockies have come a long way this season, and clearly are the best team in the National League. Best of luck to them.
0-4, 4 LOB
This one had me in tears of giggling, actually.
In so many ways. Are 10 dogs dumber than, or not as dumb as, say, 9 dogs? 11 dogs? Is the breed of dogs necessary to distinguish? Is this a standard phrase or did jmac make it up?
Whatever it was, thanks.
Also, Byrnes running into the wall tonight was kind of karmic, at least to the Rockies fans, I'm sure.
Is this Joyce? It sounds familiar.
So Byrnes must never have worked on his cliches when he was in the minors.
Eric's a star now - everywhere except in between the foul lines, anyway. He probably feels compelled to act like it. It's more sad than anything. He'll be re-introduced to reality the day he leaves Arizona. Just like Gonzo.
The problem is that he is going to parlay his stardom into an announcing career-probably about 3 years full time with Fox, since he has that FOX ATTITUDE. He will then inflict his wit and wisdom on some local fan base for 20 years.
And I thought it was hilarious when he ran into the wall chasing the home run last night.
The problem is that he is going to parlay his stardom into an announcing career-probably about 3 years full time with Fox, since he has that FOX ATTITUDE. He will then inflict his wit and wisdom on some local fan base for 20 years.
Eric Byrnes is a far better interview than the other 99% of baseball players. It's just amusing that it's the quotes like this, when he goes out of his way to give a non-cliche answer, are picked out and used by people here to justify their already irrational disdain for him.
He's a good player to have on your team. He may be a nightmare to watch on the field, but it's the way that he knows best to get the most out of his physical gifts. I don't give him extra points for doing flips, but I don't think less of him for it either when the end result is that he's probably the best defensive left fielder in the game. He's been absolutely great at incorporating the young rooks into the fold and making them feel a part of the team (as opposed to oh, let's say the Dodgers) and interviews he's always quick to talk about the achievements of the other players on this team - I can't even count the number of times this season during the on-field postgame interviews where another player made a huge play to win the game, but the interviewer went straight to Byrnes and his first response was always "what the hell are you doing talking to me, that's the guy that is the star for tonight." Just because everyone wants to talk to him doesn't make him a self-aggrandizing jackass. If people like him and want him to appear on their shows, why is that his fault? It's not like he uses the time purely to promote himself. He's one of those types of people that considers it better for a someone to think of highly of his friends, teammates, family and school than to go off spouting about how great he himself is and he acts accordingly with a never ending list of props to give out to those closest to him. It's been extremely refreshing to see from him for this last year.
Just because I'm against the big contract doesn't mean that I'm going to start hating Byrnes just for being who he is. I'll save that animus for where it rightly belongs, Moorad.
At best, his quotes were inane. Some calls didn't go one team's way? Some balls didn't bounce in a given team's favor? That describes every single game of baseball ever played.
Enlighten me: What is the burden for a rational disdain of Byrnes? Being "a nightmare to watch" isn't enough?
I don't buy your first sentence at all. His flips aren't a constant, even when there is momentum to 'justify' them. Unless you want to claim that they don't have a negative impact on his throws or that they have a positive impact on them, your rationalization doesn't work. He's good in left field because he's athletic - the part before he needs to make a throw.
What about those who disliked watching Byrnes play baseball long before he ever set foot in Arizona?
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