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Tuesday, September 25, 2012

MLBlogs/Castrovince: “Just my imagination, running away with me”

“Every night on my knees I pray: Dear Lord, Hear my plea”

It’s amazing, really, this run that has sealed the 2012 American League Central Division championship for the Cleveland Indians. But it’s the product of good decision-making and, yes, good luck every step of the way.

With 92 wins and an insurmountable edge on those disappointing Detroit Tigers, the Tribe has run away with the Central, is headed to the postseason for the first time since 2007 and is also on the verge of locking up the AL’s top seed.

What an exciting time it is here in Cleveland. Why, you can’t walk the streets downtown without bumping into somebody in a Mike Trout jersey.

Mike Emeigh Posted: September 25, 2012 at 10:04 AM | 21 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: general, humor, indians

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   1. fra paolo Posted: September 25, 2012 at 12:15 PM (#4245183)
How much of this reflects actual rumours from the time, and how much is just 20/20 hindsight?
   2. cardsfanboy Posted: September 25, 2012 at 12:45 PM (#4245219)
I know this has to be fiction, he has the Cardinals making a trade of a bat and not winning the trade, has that happened in the last decade?
   3. cmd600 Posted: September 25, 2012 at 01:12 PM (#4245246)
#1 - a lot of 20/20 hindsight, which makes this just annoying more than anything. Every team could say "Oh if we didn't get key injuries or sign bad contracts, and all our trades worked out, we'd be really good" (and only a few couldn't say that they should have drafted Trout).

#2 - I'm not sure the Cardinals would be losing that trade. Taking Cabrera over Furcal, and finding some adequate replacement for Craig probably adds a win or two.
   4. zachtoma Posted: September 25, 2012 at 01:24 PM (#4245266)
Boy the Indians sure would be better if they just had all the good players.
   5. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 25, 2012 at 01:29 PM (#4245274)
From old archives at MLBTR:

The Dodgers apparently talked about dealing Matt Kemp and one of Jonathan Meloan/James McDonald for Sabathia, Casey Blake, and Jamey Carroll.


I don't see any rumors involving Kershaw. Probably just 20/20 hindsight wishcasting.
   6. AROM Posted: September 25, 2012 at 01:37 PM (#4245279)
If the Dodgers would have been willing to trade Kemp, being willing to deal Kershaw is not much of a stretch.
   7. AROM Posted: September 25, 2012 at 01:39 PM (#4245281)
Probably just 20/20 hindsight wishcasting.


Yeah, but I think he's being honest about it. I don't read it as "these were obvious moves that would have been made by anyone with a brain in charge".

Also telling how even in his fantasy world, Grady Sizemore can't stay healthy.
   8. JJ1986 Posted: September 25, 2012 at 01:43 PM (#4245286)
If you're going to give them Fantasy-Mike-Trout, it needs to be for a better reason than because he's really awesome now. Say in this fantasy world the Mets don't give up their first round draft pick for a closer and then draft the (semi) local kid.
   9. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: September 25, 2012 at 01:45 PM (#4245291)
The curse of Steve Chilcott
   10. The Pequod Posted: September 25, 2012 at 01:59 PM (#4245306)
"Just annoying" is a good summary. I stopped reading when it said "Chris Sale"...probably should've stopped before.

Does anyone know of a site with decent Indians commentary/discussion? Let's Go Tribe is decent, but the layout sucks, there's not enough content, and most criticisms of management boil down to: "Yeah, the Indians are a huge disappointment (again), but when you have their budgetary constraints..."

I've mentioned this a few times here, but it bothers me that there isn't more criticism of the front office. The intelligentsia loves to laugh at decisions by Dayton Moore and others, but here the Indians are without a clear path forward and... nothing.
   11. cmd600 Posted: September 25, 2012 at 02:26 PM (#4245344)
10 - LGT really is the best out there. Not sure what to do about the layout, but there's enough content when the team is actually doing something. There's not much to talk about down the stretch for 90 loss teams.

I'd say there has been much more criticism than you're suggesting. Cleveland fans could barely show up for a 96 win team in 2007 because they hate the front office so much. And most of their problems do stem from budgetary constraints. It's a tough go for the third team in a small, poor (by MLB standards) city. Sure, they have other issues (and I think LGT does address them), but that's far and away the biggest.
   12. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 25, 2012 at 02:45 PM (#4245370)
. And most of their problems do stem from budgetary constraints. It's a tough go for the third team in a small, poor (by MLB standards) city. Sure, they have other issues (and I think LGT does address them), but that's far and away the biggest.

Really? Are they still owned by Dolan? Because he's the worst owner in Sports. He's laid low the NBA's richest franchise.

I think if Larry Dolan owns your team, that's problems #1-9. #10 might be the budget.
   13. cmd600 Posted: September 25, 2012 at 02:49 PM (#4245377)
12 - Different Dolan (though related) from the Knicks owner, and one who takes a completely different approach from his nephew.
   14. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 25, 2012 at 03:01 PM (#4245391)
[13] Ok.
   15. JJ1986 Posted: September 25, 2012 at 03:02 PM (#4245392)
Jim Dolan is one of the worst owners in sports, but he's willing to spend. Larry is incredibly cheap.
   16. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 25, 2012 at 03:06 PM (#4245397)
SB Nation just compeletely revamped all their layouts today, so I don't know if you're complaining about the old layout of LGT, or the new one.

The Indians have seemed rudderless ever since they were one game away from the WS. Are they rebuilding? Are they going for it? What is Kerry Wood doing here?
   17. cmd600 Posted: September 25, 2012 at 03:25 PM (#4245410)
16 - They were going for it, but found out how quickly things can go wrong. Injuries to key guys (and just after they spent to keep Hafner and Westbrook really stung) and bullpens falling apart can make a mess of teams quickly. Now they're suffering from poor returns for Sabathia and Lee.
   18. The Pequod Posted: September 25, 2012 at 03:37 PM (#4245419)
Whoa, new layout on Let's Go Tribe...I confess I haven't been for about a month. My main complaint was that it was hard to sort through worthwhile, recent commentary vs. ancient forum posts that always felt like they were near the top of the Fanshots/Fanposts lists. Maybe this will turn out better.

Fans vs. the front office is a reasonable point, but I wish more coverage was given to how we got here (the shorter and shorter success cycles, the stars leaving via free agency, the terrible starts under Wedge, etc) as opposed to just covering the superficial stuff that Chris Perez was complaining about and saying "These Indians are exciting, why isn't anyone showing up?!"

It's reasonable to cite budgetary constraints as an issue for the Indians, but only 14 of 30 teams had an opening day payroll more than $10M higher than the Indians. Despite minimal attendance and fan excitement, more than half the league is within spitting distance. I'll concede that's not enough information to say whether they could or should be spending more, but I have a hard time believing that they came into 2012 maxed out.

There isn't really a clear second to the Browns in Cleveland - the Indians have had their moments and the Cavs had their run with LeBron - so saying that they're the "third team" is not a reflection of a permanent reality. If the Cavs are still second, a big reason is that their brand has been MUCH better managed. Despite the embarrassment caused by the LeBron letter, Dan Gilbert feels a lot more like our Mike Ilitch than another Larry Dolan. Maybe it'll wear thin, but right now the Cavs are eating the Indians' lunch in the "management gives a damn" department.
   19. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 25, 2012 at 03:44 PM (#4245432)

There isn't really a clear second to the Browns in Cleveland


THE Ohio State University.
   20. The Pequod Posted: September 25, 2012 at 03:56 PM (#4245449)
Haha, probably true. I almost put that.
   21. cmd600 Posted: September 25, 2012 at 04:10 PM (#4245469)
18 - When the 'how we got here' stuff happens, they usually cover it well. But if you want to continue rehashing the string of mediocre-at-best first round picks then I think you're kind of a masochist.

Edit- getting off topic but: The Cavs vs Indians brand is one of the most frustrating things to watch. One group is as honest as a FO can get with its fanbase, and tries to reason through its situation (this still doesn't pardon their bad decisions). The other whines like a spoiled child when it doesn't get what it wants, and just counts on getting the #1 overall pick. And fans almost completely side with the latter, despite that Gilbert's spending amounted to Larry Hughes, Donyell Marshall, Damon Jones, Jamario Moon, Anthony Parker, and nothing since the Lebron gravy train left town.

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