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Sunday, January 12, 2014

MLBPA threatens legal action against MLB for Tony Bosch’s appearance on “60 Minutes”

This is worse than the misspelling in the “Geter’s in Jail” report!

In advance of Biogenesis founder Anthony Bosch’s appearance on “60 Minutes” Sunday, the Major League Baseball Players Association blistered Major League Baseball and chief operating officer Rob Manfred for violating the confidentiality of their collectively-bargaining drug program and for continuing to “publicly pile-on Alex Rodriguez.” The union also said it was considering legal action against MLB.

...“It is unfortunate that Major League Baseball apparently lacks faith in the integrity and finality of the arbitrator’s decision and our Joint Drug Agreement, such that it could not resist the temptation to publicly pile-on against Alex Rodriguez. It is equally troubling that the MLB-appointed Panel Arbitrator will himself be appearing in the “60 Minutes” segment, and that Tony Bosch, MLB’s principal witness, is appearing on the program with MLB’s blessing.

“MLB’s post-decision rush to the media is inconsistent with our collectively-bargained arbitration process, in general, as well as the confidentiality and credibility of the Joint Drug Agreement, in particular. After learning of tonight’s “60 Minutes” segment, Players have expressed anger over, among other things, MLB’s inability to let the result of yesterday’s decision speak for itself. As a result, the Players Association is considering all legal options available to remedy any breaches committed by MLB.

“Throughout this process the Players Association has repeatedly shown it is committed to an effective drug program that is strong and fair. And as we indicated in our statement yesterday, although we do not agree with the arbitrator’s decision, we respect the process and will act accordingly. We believe the other involved parties should do the same.”

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   1. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: January 12, 2014 at 08:14 PM (#4637321)
There will be a work stoppage in 2016.
   2. Bob Tufts Posted: January 12, 2014 at 08:16 PM (#4637326)
Will CBS also ask Bosch about selling illegal drugs to children, or is our focus solely that ARod is a bad guy, which we already know?

And the arbitrator speaking publicly a day after rendering a decision on a matter that is supposed to stay private per the rules of arbitration? Either release it all (if possible) or shut the hell up!

Hmmm....perhaps the appeal by ARod has a marginally better chance of success due to improper action by the arb?
   3. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: January 12, 2014 at 08:24 PM (#4637339)
Hmmm....perhaps the appeal by ARod has a marginally better chance of success due to improper action by the arb?


Never underestimate Bud Selig's ability to #### something up.
   4. Bob Tufts Posted: January 12, 2014 at 08:34 PM (#4637364)
TJ Quinn is saying that these interviews took place before the decision was rendered. So while deciding ARod's fate, Horowitz appeared in an interview on the question before him?

   5. Mess with the Meat, you get the Wad! Posted: January 12, 2014 at 08:39 PM (#4637375)
so does this mean that he was revealing important confidential info for a tv interview before he even came to a desicion? this all seems rather fishey. also expect a new arbitrator for next year.
   6. Gonfalon B. Posted: January 12, 2014 at 08:40 PM (#4637379)
It's Manfred who sat for the "60 Minutes" interview, not Horowitz. He's the one who had to take a breather from fairly weighing the evidence presented so that he himself could testify against Rodriguez.
   7. Mess with the Meat, you get the Wad! Posted: January 12, 2014 at 08:43 PM (#4637385)
thats not as bad but still pretty damn bad on its own, I feel like that should be what sinks mlb in a court room but sadly I dont think it will.
   8. ptodd Posted: January 12, 2014 at 08:44 PM (#4637387)
Lets see

Horowitz protects Selig from testifying despite precedence (Selig testified in the Rocker case)

Horowitz upholds to a large degree MLB's unprecedented suspension length in violation of the spirit of the JDA/CBA

Horowitz times his release for a show to get maximum ratings (next week it goes H2H with the NFC championship game). A show that breaks MLB-MLBPA confidentiality agreement

I think Arod has a compelling case for a preliminary injunction on the grounds the arbitrator is biased (and well he should be since the last arbitrator who went against MLB was fired by them)

Whats stopping Clarke from firing Horowitz is beyond me.
   9. Bob Tufts Posted: January 12, 2014 at 08:52 PM (#4637404)
Gonfalon, according to a CBS article "Arbitrator Fredric Horowitz will also appear on the show."
   10. puck Posted: January 12, 2014 at 09:04 PM (#4637420)
Great, here's MLB's response:

UPDATE: MLB has issued its own statement. Here it is:

"We have notified the Major League Baseball Players Association on numerous occasions that we intended to respond to all of the attacks on the integrity of our Joint Drug Program. Those attacks continued yet again yesterday with Mr. Rodriguez's statement. Out of respect to the grievance process and at the request of the MLBPA, we waited until a decision was rendered to make our response.

"It is ironic that the MLBPA is complaining about MLB's participation in this program given that Mr. Rodriguez's lawyer is also participating in the show.

"As to Mr. Bosch's appearance, he is not controlled by us and is entitled to speak however he chooses about his interactions with Mr. Rodriguez."
   11. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: January 12, 2014 at 09:06 PM (#4637421)
There will be a work stoppage in 2016.


Yep.

I think Arod has a compelling case for a preliminary injunction on the grounds the arbitrator is biased (and well he should be since the last arbitrator who went against MLB was fired by them)


I agree, but I don't think it will matter.

Firing Horowitz seems like a no-brainer from the MLBPA's perspective, doesn't it?
   12. Mess with the Meat, you get the Wad! Posted: January 12, 2014 at 09:14 PM (#4637428)
yeah 2016 will be ugly. but before that, I have a feeling that this will be a soap opera that lasts for at least 2-3 more months with arod and it will get all the dirt out on both sides, respect will be last, tabloids will sell.
   13. fra paolo Posted: January 12, 2014 at 09:17 PM (#4637429)
This 60-Minutes' interviewer asks some silly questions.
   14. puck Posted: January 12, 2014 at 09:20 PM (#4637433)
There better not be a strike over A-Rod.

   15. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: January 12, 2014 at 09:26 PM (#4637435)
There better not be a strike over A-Rod.


There won't be. There may be a strike over MLB's authoritarian, heavy handed, tyrannical approach to dealing with the ARod mess though.
   16. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: January 12, 2014 at 09:29 PM (#4637438)
Or more to the point, MLB's recent habit of ignoring collectively bargained agreements when they feel like it.
   17. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: January 12, 2014 at 09:30 PM (#4637441)
Selig was just saving the game, guys! He said so himself, and there's no reason to think he might be exaggerating.
   18. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: January 12, 2014 at 09:32 PM (#4637446)
Or more to the point, MLB's recent habit of ignoring collectively bargained agreements when they feel like it.


Precisely. This entire 60 Minutes broadside is the first official salvo in MLB's newest propaganda war on the MLBPA.
   19. I Am Not a Number Posted: January 12, 2014 at 09:41 PM (#4637453)
Listening to Selig, Manfred and Bosch, I feel the unmistakable need for a shower.
   20. Publius Publicola Posted: January 12, 2014 at 09:41 PM (#4637454)
Isn't it kind of a tough sell to complain about confidentiality violations by MLB when Tacopina did the same thing? And A-Rod himself went on Francesca's show and shot his big fat mouth off. The Union can't have it both ways.
   21. Bob Tufts Posted: January 12, 2014 at 09:43 PM (#4637455)
A very messy and ill-thought out victory lap.
   22. Publius Publicola Posted: January 12, 2014 at 09:47 PM (#4637458)
It's a victory for the clean members of the union too, Bob.
   23. Joey B. is being stalked by a (Gonfa) loon Posted: January 12, 2014 at 09:50 PM (#4637461)
Man, would I love to know what "associate" of A-Rod's told Bosch's girlfriend that Bosch wouldn't live to see the end of the year.

Apparently the guy is even more of a stone cold sociopath than I had realized.
   24. Mess with the Meat, you get the Wad! Posted: January 12, 2014 at 09:52 PM (#4637464)
he is almost on your level joey.
   25. Joey B. is being stalked by a (Gonfa) loon Posted: January 12, 2014 at 09:53 PM (#4637466)
Go phuk yourself dipshitt.
   26. Bug Selig Posted: January 12, 2014 at 09:54 PM (#4637468)
It's a victory for the clean members of the union too, Bob.


In the most short-sighted way possible, I guess. The league just unilaterally set side numerous agreements and got away with it. That's not good for anybody that thought they were protected by those agreements. But, yes, Alex is a dick. So - Yay?
   27. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: January 12, 2014 at 09:55 PM (#4637469)
Why would he need to phuk himself? Is your mom taking the night off?
   28. Bob Tufts Posted: January 12, 2014 at 09:56 PM (#4637472)
Isn't it kind of a tough sell to complain about confidentiality violations by MLB when Tacopina did the same thing?


Unlike Manfred or Horowitz, Tacopina has no duty to be quiet regarding the arbitration proceedings. Their conversations are inappropriate.

It's a victory for the clean members of the union too, Bob.


Not if they can potentially be charged, convicted and punished without positive tests or arrests and have contracts voided. Having been victim to this type of logic, I hope that you are never tied to someone via guilt by association and have your career suffer.

I care about process. The process has to be fair, ethical, clear, factual, scientifically based and immune to whims of the participants. Only then will you get a real anti-drug plan.

I could give a rat's ### about ARod, but laws, rules and regulations are meant to cover even the worst reprobates among us.

   29. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: January 12, 2014 at 09:56 PM (#4637473)
It's a victory for the clean members of the union too, Bob.


This is MLB's entire strategic goal. To break the union on this issue. Once fractured, the union becomes as malleable as the NBA or NFL groups.
   30. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: January 12, 2014 at 09:57 PM (#4637474)
Goddammit people, you know where Reddit is if you want to behave like ####### adolescents. BTF is supposed to be better than that.
   31. JJ1986 Posted: January 12, 2014 at 09:59 PM (#4637476)
Was Horowitz actually on the show?
   32. Publius Publicola Posted: January 12, 2014 at 10:01 PM (#4637479)
Tacopina is A-Rod's attorney and so is obliged to respect the process as if he were A-Rod himself.
   33. Publius Publicola Posted: January 12, 2014 at 10:03 PM (#4637480)
If they are clean, they have nothing to worry about, Bob. Just ask Gio.
   34. Publius Publicola Posted: January 12, 2014 at 10:10 PM (#4637484)
Re#26. This protects the clean members from having to abuse themselves in order keep their jobs. That's no small thing.
   35. AJMcCringleberry Posted: January 12, 2014 at 10:14 PM (#4637487)
If they are clean, they have nothing to worry about, Bob. Just ask Gio.

Just ask ARod.
   36. Bob Tufts Posted: January 12, 2014 at 10:17 PM (#4637489)
If they are clean, they have nothing to worry about, Bob. Just ask Gio.


Laws, rules and regulations exist for fairness and are to be administered fairly, not as end in themselves.

Yes, Gio was not included in the final list, but I am sure that he had to deal with some personal pressures and legal expenses in the process of "clearing his name". And there are google subheadings on him regarding steroids and biogenesis that will stay.

Saying that "I have nothing to hide" and having to prove your innocence at great expense is antithetical to the basic governmental principles that we hold dear. "Just because it's sports" is no reason to set dangerous legal precedents and become unfamiliar with constitutional procedures.

   37. Publius Publicola Posted: January 12, 2014 at 10:25 PM (#4637494)
Did they not just go to arbitration? How was that "not fair"?

A-Rod lost because he's dirty, not because he was treated unfairly.

And if A-Rod is going to violate the confidentiality clause, it's only fair that MLB be allowed to tell their side of the story too.
   38. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: January 12, 2014 at 10:28 PM (#4637496)
A-Rod lost because he's dirty, not because he was treated unfairly.


ARod being dirty and ARod being treated unfairly are not mutually exclusive.
   39. Publius Publicola Posted: January 12, 2014 at 10:46 PM (#4637502)
He wasn't treated unfairly. He lost an arbitration case.

Just because it's a result you don't like doesn't mean it's an unfair one.
   40. Bobvila Posted: January 12, 2014 at 10:51 PM (#4637503)
Horowitz did not appear on the show. Manfried did - he was part of the 3 member arbitration panel (MLB rep).

I did have a small problem with MLB logic here. They endorsed a public interview where it is revealed their testing is quite circumventable. How does this show they run a clean game???
   41. McCoy Posted: January 12, 2014 at 10:52 PM (#4637504)
2 years is a long time. I doubt there is a work stoppage over this.
   42. Ray (RDP) Posted: January 12, 2014 at 10:54 PM (#4637505)
Re the MLBPA's response, yeah, I had the same thought as I was watching it. I posted this a little while ago in the other thread:

Still not through the 60 Minutes piece as I've been getting interrupted, but Selig and Manfred discussing this openly including the evidence against ARod -- Manfred is talking at length -- seems to me raise the issue of whether MLB is violating the confidentiality provisions. And that's not even getting into whether Bosch -- while he's not a party to the agreement -- is basically acting as an agent for MLB here.
   43. Ray (RDP) Posted: January 12, 2014 at 10:59 PM (#4637507)
Gonfalon, according to a CBS article "Arbitrator Fredric Horowitz will also appear on the show."


Horowitz did not appear on the show. CBS did show a photo of him, but that seems to stretch the definition of "appearing."
   44. puck Posted: January 12, 2014 at 11:16 PM (#4637515)
2 years is a long time. I doubt there is a work stoppage over this.

I hope good sense prevails.

So was Bosch saying Manny started using for the 2008 season?
   45. Joey B. is being stalked by a (Gonfa) loon Posted: January 12, 2014 at 11:28 PM (#4637517)
I did have a small problem with MLB logic here. They endorsed a public interview where it is revealed their testing is quite circumventable. How does this show they run a clean game???

MLB didn't "endorse" Bosch's interview with Scott Pelley. Bosch is not an employee of MLB, and they have no control over what he says to 60 Minutes or anyone else in the media, or what the media choose to put on the air as a result.
   46. Bobvila Posted: January 12, 2014 at 11:54 PM (#4637524)
It seems they could have stopped this. I figure that the prevailing attitude is that this is piling on Arod in a PR sense to show the public how bad Arod is. This is part of the union stance in their statement that decries this 60 min show. the Nighengale tweet:

"The #MLBPA: It is unfortunate that Major League Baseball ....could not resist the temptation to publicly pile-on against Alex Rodriguez.;;"

As pointed out, MLB has no say in what Bosch says, but he seems to shoot MLB in the foot here.
   47. ptodd Posted: January 12, 2014 at 11:55 PM (#4637525)
MLB has found a partial solution to large non-performing contracts. Spend 2 million for a witness and promise to help keep him out of jail and then use his "testimony" to save teams 25 million or more.

MLB didn't "endorse" Bosch's interview with Scott Pelley. Bosch is not an employee of MLB, and they have no control over what he says to 60 Minutes or anyone else in the media, or what the media choose to put on the air as a result.


Oh please, they own Bosch. Cost them 2 million but if they did not make "no public interviews" about the case without their consent" I would be shocked.
   48. Ray (RDP) Posted: January 13, 2014 at 12:02 AM (#4637529)
MLB didn't "endorse" Bosch's interview with Scott Pelley. Bosch is not an employee of MLB, and they have no control over what he says to 60 Minutes or anyone else


Except for when MLB bought Bosch's testimony.

Are you serious with this?
   49. Publius Publicola Posted: January 13, 2014 at 12:14 AM (#4637534)
Ray, you seem to invoking another conspiracy theory here. So, did MLB conspire to involve A-Rod with biogenesis? Was the outcome of the arbitration a foregone conclusion because Horowitz is in the tank too?

Please advise.
   50. villageidiom Posted: January 13, 2014 at 12:21 AM (#4637536)
Are you serious with this?
Is Tony Bosch bound to the confidentiality requirements in the CBA?

Of course, if he had been acting as a medical professional he would have a confidentiality requirement with his clients' medical records. But that ship sailed long ago.
   51. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: January 13, 2014 at 12:36 AM (#4637540)
It's a rare occasion that the same person can be added to the "ignore list" twice. Good work, Kevin.
   52. John Northey Posted: January 13, 2014 at 12:47 AM (#4637542)
I see it as an opening shot for the contract talks too. While A-Rod's issues will be forgotten by then, this is showing a strong desire to push down the union as hard as they can while they can. Right now the union is at the weakest point since the 60's and to the owners that means total victory is possible. What do they want? I suspect a variety of issues they will try for...
1) non-guaranteed contracts - not a hope, but a good starting point to use as negotiation for other items
2) 5 year maximum for contracts - if #1 isn't possible this becomes a very good alternative to protect teams from themselves. The Jays are trying to do this themselves but other clubs handing out 7-10 year contracts makes it hard to compete. I suspect all MLB teams would love this limit.
3) remove the super-2 designation and have it start after 3 full years again. Gets rid of the attempts to keep guys down 'long enough' and makes it easy to screw a guy over (keep him down for a week in April and you're set).
4) further tightening of the draft and international free agents (moved to a draft format) and tighter rules on other international players. Perhaps a NHL style lifetime draft, so once you are drafted that is it, you are stuck with that club until you sign or you go off to another league or at least a 4 year so going to college doesn't provide any advantage in negotiations.
5) further tightening of the drug policy so it is a full year for first timers, lifetime for a second offense. Many players would buy into it so they might get it.

Yeah, any of these outside of #5 would probably cost a full season or so. With Marvin Miller running the show none would have a chance of getting in but right now who knows? It'll be interesting to see how it goes. Sad, but interesting.
   53. Srul Itza At Home Posted: January 13, 2014 at 12:56 AM (#4637544)
Frankly, the MLBPA should push back. Arbitration after 1 year, free agency after 3 years. If the other side is going to make maximal demands, you have to respond.

Assuming this guild still has the huevos, which I doubt.
   54. Walt Davis Posted: January 13, 2014 at 01:47 AM (#4637550)
1) non-guaranteed contracts - not a hope, but a good starting point to use as negotiation for other items

Again, even in the NFL, there is no such thing as a non-guaranteed contract (except for scrubs). How much and for how long you are guaranteed is a function of your perceived talent, not the rules.

2) 5 year maximum for contracts - if #1 isn't possible this becomes a very good alternative to protect teams from themselves. The Jays are trying to do this themselves but other clubs handing out 7-10 year contracts makes it hard to compete. I suspect all MLB teams would love this limit.

Which would mean that Cano gets a $100 M upfront payment, a 5/$80 guaranteed contact with a 5/$50 option (or something to that effect). No MLB team wants that, they'd rather hand it out as 10/$240 guaranteed.

Nobody gets to walk away from the second half of a contract, both sides understand the difference between guaranteed and non-guaranteed monies, both sides understand how to price "wins" (or whatever unit you want to use) and both sides understand net present value. The way MLB's system works right now is that you get the good 5 years of Cano at a discount by guaranteeing another 5 years at a loss. You don't guarantee those last 5 years, you don't get the first 5 for $120 M paid in 5 equal installments. Cano has been worth about $45-50 M a year for the last few years but nobody wants to pay him that as an AAV.

The difference between the NFL and MLB is how the salary cap/lux tax is figured. Brees got paid $40 M ($40 M!) in the first year of his "5"/"$100" contract but it only counted as $10.4 M against the cap because the $37 M signing bonus is spread out over the 5 mythical years, not the three guaranteed years and not when it is paid, and then they added on his $3 M first year salary. The next two years count at about $17.4. They sign him for 3/$60 but the cap hit is 3/$45.

The other difference is the silly way media headlines report these NFL deals. All MLB deals are headlined as "guaranteed money for guaranteed years" where they even roll the guaranteed option buyout into the money. (Then they screw everything up by forgetting about how arb buyouts work.) NFL deals are headlined as "mythical money for mythical years" and you have to grog through the detail to find out how many years/$ are guaranteed. In baseball terms, Brees was signed for 3/$60 with 2/$40 option ... or 1/$40 with 4/$60 option according to the other source. Brees, I assume, has a much higher injury/collapse rate than Cano and also does not generate nearly the revenue that Cano does (not surprising considering Cano plays 10 times as many games).

Or you want to cap contracts at 5 years -- again, that just means you pay Cano 5/$200.

In short, there will be guaranteed contracts as long as the Yankees (and Dodgers and Red Sox and ...) exist to offer guaranteed contracts to acquire and retain better talent. And if you offer 5/$125, the team that wants him more will offer 5/$135 or 6/$150 just like it is now. The only way to avoid that is to collude. And unless somebody repeals the Curt Flood Act or the MLBPA just rolls over and dies, collusion ain't gonna fly.
   55. base ball chick Posted: January 13, 2014 at 01:50 AM (#4637551)
a whole lot of people don't believe in due process or equal rights under the law - and kevin is only one of many

unbelieveable how many people are actually saying that arod should be put to DEATH for what he did and no i am not kidding. just surprised i haven't heard that here yet

the MLBPA was beyond stupid to have happily thrown the biogenesis guys, and especially arod to the wolves to placate buddy boy and they will seriously regret it. bud is moving in for the kill - the idea is to disarm the union, get non guaranteed contracts and the right to remove ballplayers from MLB at will. or based on perjured or bought testimony from any scumbag like bosch. fans LIKE to believe the worst and they do, and too many fans really like the idea of the players being paid very little and the owners keeping it all.

of course, this is because they have this bizarre fantasy that if the owners got to keep all the money and the players could be used up and thrown away like football players or worse, then the owners would reward the fans

this is like saying that if scarlett johanson would just break up with her boyfriend, they she would want to have sex with all you guys.

and agree with srul - this union has about had it and them having tony clark run the union was absolutely THE stupidest thing they could possibly have done.
   56. GregD Posted: January 13, 2014 at 02:08 AM (#4637556)
this is like saying that if scarlett johanson would just break up with her boyfriend, they she would want to have sex with all you guys.
What are you saying?
   57. Tripon Posted: January 13, 2014 at 02:45 AM (#4637560)
What are you saying?


You personally have a chance of sleeping with Scarlett Johanson. All you need to do is try.
   58. The Yankee Clapper Posted: January 13, 2014 at 02:50 AM (#4637562)
this is like saying that if scarlett johanson would just break up with her boyfriend, she would want to have sex with all you guys.

Some of us guys.
   59. Bug Selig Posted: January 13, 2014 at 08:11 AM (#4637582)
This protects the clean members from having to abuse themselves in order keep their jobs. That's no small thing.


It wouldn't be a small thing - if it were true. Do you really think there is a single player today thinking, even jokingly, "Thank God I don't have to juice to keep up with A-Rod"? Ludicrous.

On the other hand, it isn't hard at all to believe that there may be one or two thinking, "Now that Bud has proven that he can buy evidence, crap all over the penalty protocol that had been agreed to, and send his lackeys to trumpet his victory to the press (what's confidentiality?), I better not cross that sumbitch."
   60. Fancy Pants Handle doesn't need no water Posted: January 13, 2014 at 08:25 AM (#4637584)
Brees, I assume, has a much higher injury/collapse rate than Cano and also does not generate nearly the revenue that Cano does (not surprising considering Cano plays 10 times as many games).

I highly doubt that last part is true. The injury risk is obviously a real thing, but there are a number of factors making even an AAV comparison look more favorable than it is:
1. MLB gets 6-7 slave years from every player they draft. This inflates the contracts of FA's by a ton. If teams had to pay their young talent close to market value, the money would be coming out of the FA's salary.
2. NFL salary cap. Having to build a complete roster with the remaining cap space limits what teams can effectively offer their super stars. I have no doubt that the likes of Brees, Brady and Manning would be getting more in terms of AAV if the cap was lifted.

What it comes down to at the end, is that despite playing 10 times as many games, NFL and MLB revenue are basically even (last I checked). And a QB has a vastly bigger impact on the outcome of a game, than any baseball player ever could.
Brees can basically highhandedly put a team in the playoffs most years (which generates another pile of revenue for the team). How many wins is he worth to the Saints? Conservatively, I would say at least. That's the equivalent of a 40 WAR player in MLB. MLB would need to total at least 5 times the revenue, for a player to be worth what Brees is to the Saints.
   61. I am going to be Frank Posted: January 13, 2014 at 10:27 AM (#4637614)
After watching the piece, any credibility MLB had (which was very little) is gone. Bosch claimed that he had lozenges that could be taken during a game that would not show up in any post-game testing. In addition, he said that during the actual test it was best to use a sample "mid-stream". I don't know if that's true or not but it is so utterly ridiculous that either the tests could be so easily circumvented or that this was the key witness.
   62. Davo Dozier (Mastroianni) Posted: January 13, 2014 at 10:35 AM (#4637625)
On the other hand, it isn't hard at all to believe that there may be one or two thinking, "Now that Bud has proven that he can buy evidence, crap all over the penalty protocol that had been agreed to, and send his lackeys to trumpet his victory to the press (what's confidentiality?), I better not cross that sumbitch."
Excellent point.
   63. Ron J2 Posted: January 13, 2014 at 11:22 AM (#4637654)
#54 Right. Somewhere around 2% of the contracts were guaranteed in the mid-70s and as players hit a free market teams had to offer guaranteed contracts to be able to compete.

That said, MLB would like to make guaranteed contacts (or huge signing bonuses that act as a guaranteed contact) illegal -- to protect teams from themselves.
   64. Der-K: Hipster doofus Posted: January 13, 2014 at 11:40 AM (#4637674)
Guys, you're getting off topic. What's this about Scarlett Johanson?
   65. Davo Dozier (Mastroianni) Posted: January 13, 2014 at 12:33 PM (#4637725)
Guys, you're getting off topic. What's this about Scarlett Johanson?
Her?
   66. plim Posted: January 13, 2014 at 01:45 PM (#4637807)
57. Tripon Posted: January 13, 2014 at 01:45 AM (#4637560)
What are you saying?


You personally have a chance of sleeping with Scarlett Johanson. All you need to do is try.


So you're telling me there's a chance...
   67. Bob Tufts Posted: January 13, 2014 at 01:51 PM (#4637814)
There's always a percentage chance that it will happen, but zero is a percentage.
   68. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 13, 2014 at 02:44 PM (#4637879)
unbelieveable how many people are actually saying that arod should be put to DEATH for what he did and no i am not kidding. just surprised i haven't heard that here yet


Give Joey a break - he's still trying to think of a comeback to that line about his mother.
   69. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 13, 2014 at 02:48 PM (#4637882)
I just want to say that if Scarlett Johanssen is sleeping with us, I want to be in line.
   70. zonk Posted: January 13, 2014 at 03:14 PM (#4637905)
I just don't want to go after Shooty, if Scarlett's doing a sexual tour of BBTF basements...

MLB's marketing department is like a neurotic Woody Allen film waiting to happen.
   71. Karl from NY Posted: January 13, 2014 at 10:01 PM (#4638275)
Guys, you're getting off topic. What's this about Scarlett Johanson?

Her?


Holy Eternal Rapture does sound about right.
   72. Darnell McDonald had a farm Posted: January 13, 2014 at 10:59 PM (#4638302)
It's as plain as the nose on A-Hole's face
   73. salajander Posted: January 14, 2014 at 04:49 AM (#4638381)
   74. Russ Posted: January 14, 2014 at 08:06 AM (#4638388)
There's always a percentage chance that it will happen, but zero is a percentage.


More like I tell my statistics students: "Nothing is impossible, just most things are completely implausible."
   75. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: January 14, 2014 at 09:08 AM (#4638401)
I just don't want to go after Shooty, if Scarlett's doing a sexual tour of BBTF basements...

What'd I do?

edit: What I sure didn't do is screw up the italics coding.
   76. Lassus Posted: January 14, 2014 at 09:22 AM (#4638408)


Fixed?

Damn, I thought for sure that would work.
   77. Gonfalon B. Posted: January 14, 2014 at 10:59 AM (#4638481)
We need an italics gummy.
   78. villageidiom Posted: January 14, 2014 at 11:39 AM (#4638552)
Fixed? Fixed? </i>Fixed?

EDIT: Not fixed.
   79. I am going to be Frank Posted: January 14, 2014 at 12:12 PM (#4638596)


What about this?
   80. Karl from NY Posted: January 14, 2014 at 01:13 PM (#4638660)
Yikes, the italics was me, first time I ever did that.

I shall try to fix it.


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