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Saturday, August 19, 2017

MLBTR: Dodgers Acquire Curtis Granderson

The Dodgers fortify the postseason roster while the Mets receive a few shekels to help meet the bankers’ demands.

Granderson, 36, gives the Dodgers yet another interesting piece to work with. The timing of his addition is particularly notable given that Los Angeles just welcomed veteran first baseman Adrian Gonzalez back from the DL, which seemingly left breakout young star Cody Bellinger slated for at least some additional time in the outfield. Then again, it may turn out that Gonzalez will function mostly as a bench bat.

Both Gonzalez and Bellinger hit from the left side, as do Granderson and the struggling Joc Pederson. It remains to be seen how things will be sorted, but this move could push Pederson out of his semi-regular role in center. Regardless, Dodgers skipper Dave Roberts will have options. The club has three right-handed hitters capable of playing the outfield in Yasiel Puig, Chris Taylor, and Enrique Hernandez — the latter two are also infield options — so there are loads of different ways the team can line up depending upon the situation.

Despite his age and early-season struggles, Granderson is a significant addition. he has destroyed opposing pitching to the tune of a .273/.395/.596 slash in his last 250 trips to the plate. It doesn’t hurt that he’s still capable of manning center field, giving an alternative to Pederson. It’s worth noting that, like Pederson, the new addition has been far more effective this year (and over his career) when hitting with the platoon advantage. The Dodgers will surely continue to mix and match heavily.

It’s not yet clear how the teams have sorted out the remainder of Granderson’s $15MM salary — just under $4MM of which remains to be paid. He had previously cleared revocable waivers. It’s worth noting, too, that the move seemingly makes it unlikely that the Dodgers will end up assigning a significant role to veteran Andre Ethier when he finally returns later in the year. Los Angeles also announced that it designated righty Dylan Floro for assignment to open a 40-man spot for the addition of Granderson.

For the Mets, the swap brings an end to a productive four-year tenure for Granderson. He joined the team on a four-year, $60MM pact and largely performed to expectations after a middling first year. All told, he produced a .239/.341/.444 slash with 95 long balls over his time with the Mets — while also serving as a respected clubhouse member through occasionally tumultuous times.

Renegade (((JE))) Posted: August 19, 2017 at 09:59 AM | 32 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: curtis granderson, dodgers, madoff, mets, money, ptbnl

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   1. TomH Posted: August 19, 2017 at 02:06 PM (#5516872)
what is the Dodger$ payroll NOW?

On what is luxury tax based - April payroll? Sep? blended across the season?
   2. PreservedFish Posted: August 19, 2017 at 03:16 PM (#5516898)
Loved watching Granderson. At the time of the signing I thought it was a very typical Mets overpay and that he might go Jason Bay, but that at least I would enjoy watching him play.
   3. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: August 19, 2017 at 03:32 PM (#5516912)
If only they didn't count April stats, Granderson might have made a couple all-star teams with the Mets.

One of the easiest guys in the league to root for, and he led the offense in WAR the year they made the WS. No reason to keep him for these last 6 weeks, but he will be missed. I'm sure they're not getting much, but I'm glad the Mets were willing to eat at least some salary in order to get a PTBN.

Oh, and the Dodgers are ridiculous.
   4. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: August 19, 2017 at 04:13 PM (#5516924)
Good move. It won't increase payroll much since the season is mostly over and they're getting some of the salary on the deal. Pederson has been struggling mightily lately and will go to AAA to fix his mechanics. This gives them more roster flexibility and adds a bat to the bench.
   5. Ziggy: The Platonic Form of Russell Branyan Posted: August 19, 2017 at 04:20 PM (#5516929)
I'll happily defer to dodgerphiles, but this sounds like it's unnecessary to me.
   6. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: August 19, 2017 at 04:28 PM (#5516936)
Pederson has been struggling mightily lately a

Geez--in his last 26 games (78 PAs), he's 116 /218 /261
(PS the Dodgers are 22-4 in those games)
   7. akrasian Posted: August 19, 2017 at 04:29 PM (#5516937)
#1, it is the total salary paid out over the year.

It wouldn't shock me if the cash considerations going back (or ptbnl) is greater than usual, to make up for the salary the mets are paying - just to push it to a new fiscal year for the Dodgers
   8. formerly dp Posted: August 19, 2017 at 05:04 PM (#5516953)
Bummed to see him go. Rivera also let go on waivers to the Cubs. What a terrible season.
   9. Renegade (((JE))) Posted: August 19, 2017 at 06:57 PM (#5517020)
MLBTR update:
In the wake of yesterday’s acquisition of Curtis Granderson, the Dodgers appear set to demote fellow outfielder Joc Pederson. There hasn’t been any official confirmation of the move, but various beat writers noted earlier today that Pederson’s locker was empty, and Dodgers manager Dave Roberts has seemingly confirmed the decision, telling reporters (including the Orange County Register’s Bill Plunkett on Twitter) that a stint in the minors will give Pederson an opportunity to “reset” while he works on changes to his swing.

As our own Jeff Todd noted yesterday, the Dodgers’ acquisition of Granderson gave them a wealth of outfield options, also including Yasiel Puig, Chris Taylor, Enrique Hernandez and Cody Bellinger. Bellinger in particular bats lefty, as Pederson does, and figures to take some playing time in the outfield with Adrian Gonzalez returning from the DL.
   10. Jeff Frances the Mute Posted: August 19, 2017 at 07:53 PM (#5517069)
I'll happily defer to dodgerphiles, but this sounds like it's unnecessary to me.

If Pederson isn’t going to hit then the Dodgers need to upgrade because his defense is borderline. Moving Chris Taylor to CF and putting Granderson in LF is a step up from Pederson’s current production. Also, the Dodgers want more DH options for a potential World Series and/or improved platoon choices.
   11. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: August 19, 2017 at 08:02 PM (#5517074)
Grandy was an incredibly easy player to root for. Seemed to be a fantastic guy, a great guy in the clubhouse, and was pretty danged solid on the field too. I wish him all the best, and he was a great addition to the team these last four years.
   12. Heart of Matt Harvey Posted: August 19, 2017 at 09:14 PM (#5517118)
Pederson optioned to OKC today. It was ridiculous for him to try and fix his swing at this late date in the majors. Though he did hit an RBI double last night.

There's nothing ridiculous about plugging holes for the playoffs. Go back to the Yankees winning it all in 1998 and count the rings for teams with 100+ wins.

   13. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: August 19, 2017 at 10:26 PM (#5517141)
Also, depending on whether A-Gone can justify a spot on the roster (let alone the lineup), Taylor's flexibility gives Doc the option of benching Forsythe against RHP - which might put Utley out of a job, btw.
   14. Heart of Matt Harvey Posted: August 19, 2017 at 10:49 PM (#5517151)
Seeing Bellinger hurt himself tonight gave me flashbacks to Andrew Toles. Hopefly nothing that affects him more than a day or two.
   15. Leroy Kincaid Posted: August 20, 2017 at 07:06 AM (#5517191)
There's nothing ridiculous about plugging holes for the playoffs.

Sometimes those holes are filled with bigger holes. Not saying that's the case here, but just making a move doesn't mean you've improved your chances in the playoffs.
   16. Rennie's Tenet Posted: August 20, 2017 at 08:24 AM (#5517198)
this sounds like it's unnecessary to me.

The Pirates have been playing with about 1.5 plausible outfielders all season. Other teams have to take up the slack.
   17. Bote Man Posted: August 20, 2017 at 11:38 AM (#5517246)
I'll posit that "ridiculous" in this context meant that the Dodgers are so ridiculously good this season that adding Granderson is akin to moving around the deck chairs on the biggest, baddest cruise ship on the 7 seas. They are now lining up everything for the post-season (assuming they can squeak into October), not their ridiculous championship season. I'll defer to The Dog in case I misinterpreted his remark.
   18. Heart of Matt Harvey Posted: August 20, 2017 at 12:12 PM (#5517256)
just making a move doesn't mean you've improved your chances in the playoffs.

Sure. You've still got to go with the best option in October. But this team and this season has been built on such options. They haven't skipped a beat without Kershaw.
   19. manchestermets Posted: August 20, 2017 at 02:45 PM (#5517323)
RHP Jacob Rhame to the Mets to complete the trade.
   20. Renegade (((JE))) Posted: August 20, 2017 at 08:10 PM (#5517600)
RHP Jacob Rhame to the Mets to complete the trade.
Another reliever! Although at least this dude looks like he'll be wearing a Mets uni next season...
   21. Howie Menckel Posted: August 20, 2017 at 09:16 PM (#5517640)
I do not know of a better "clubhouse presence" or person overall in MLB than Granderson in the last 20 years.

who cares, it's all about the starting pitcher that night, and I guess mostly.

but Granderson is an ultimate upbeat guy who also has navigated the NYC media Mets and Yankees waters for years.

and if anyone thinks, "But LA is big, too" - yeah, and there is zero comparison.

the more games the Dodgers win, the more the national media needs to be fed. the national media LOVES LOVES LOVES Granderson, and rightly so. he will give the perfect (and sincere) sound bites, and that makes it less distracting for everyone else. a dog that gets fed stops lingering my the dog dish.

if I had a team THIS good, I'd make this deal every time. the media onslaught looms, and they bring in the best ambassador of baseball to welcome them. bravo to the Dodgers.
   22. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: August 20, 2017 at 09:39 PM (#5517647)
Interesting take, Howie. I don't doubt for a moment that the national media breathed a sigh of relief after learning a go-to quote would be on the roster of a team expected to carve deep into October.
   23. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: August 20, 2017 at 09:46 PM (#5517650)
LOVE the Grandyman ... hope this brings him a ring.
   24. Howie Menckel Posted: August 20, 2017 at 10:15 PM (#5517659)
don't doubt for a moment that the national media breathed a sigh of relief after learning a go-to quote would be on the roster of a team expected to carve deep into October.

it's not like they don't already have any - it's that another key one might be helpful. maybe you can elaborate.
   25. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: August 20, 2017 at 10:36 PM (#5517667)
maybe you can elaborate.
The Dodgers don't really have a go-to quote, an player who has earned the media's respect while also performing on the field. (The latter requirement DQs A-Gone and Utley.)
   26. Howie Menckel Posted: August 20, 2017 at 10:51 PM (#5517677)
good points, and I figured I'd ask for more info before a further response

glad I did
   27. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: August 20, 2017 at 11:57 PM (#5517699)
Granderson was better than I expected him to be, was easy to root for, and seemed to be well liked by everybody. It was time for him to go but he did well.
   28. akrasian Posted: August 21, 2017 at 01:54 AM (#5517707)
Trade was completed. PTBNL is Jacob Rhame. He throws up to 98, and is a 24 year old AAA reliever. So I wonder just how much money the Mets are sending the Dodgers.
   29. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: August 21, 2017 at 05:09 AM (#5517709)

From everything I've ever heard or read, Granderson is a generous guy and a class act. I was among those who questioned the signing at the time, especially after he started out really slowly in his first season with the Mets, but he turned things around and has been the most consistent presence in the lineup for the last four seasons. I wish him luck with the Dodgers and hope he has another few years left in the tank.
   30. Swoboda is freedom Posted: August 21, 2017 at 09:23 AM (#5517757)
LOVE the Grandyman ... hope this brings him a ring.

Didn't realize he never won one. He came to the Yanks the year after they won. He was on a couple of WS losing teams (Mets, Tigers). I wish him well. Does seem like a good guy.
   31. BDC Posted: August 21, 2017 at 09:57 AM (#5517775)
Closest comps, outfielders through age 36 by PA and OPS+:

Player              dWAR   PA OPSRbaser  HR RBI  SB   BA  OBP  SLG      Pos
Curtis Granderson    4.5 7416  116   12.0 313 854 149 .254 .340 .474  
Felipe Alou         
-2.1 7210  116   15.0 195 784 106 .289 .332 .440 9873H/56
Johnny Callison     
-2.8 7437  115    1.0 226 840  74 .264 .331 .441  *97H/8D 

Provided by View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 8/21/2017.

B-Ref gives Ron Gant, Mike Cameron, and Ray Lankford, which sounds about right too, though they use face-value stats and I'm not always sure how they're weighted. Granderson was somewhat better in context than Gant or Lankford, though they were good for a while.

Granderson and Cameron are probably very close, given that more of Cameron's value is in defense.
   32. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 21, 2017 at 11:28 AM (#5517857)
Wondering who is the Mets' "voice of the clubhouse" now, without Granderson, Jay Bruce or David Wright no longer around. Reyes? Conforto? Certainly not Cespedes.

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